What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

[Malacite]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

Wii -
1. Make VC games free, or very cheap. There is no reason I should pay $5 for a twenty year old game, especially when I can get it for a few coins at a local shop and have the actual game. The Wii would be a very attractive console if, instead of having to pay through the nose for games, I was able to simply select one and play it for free. It would basically make the console more than pay for itself, just through the library of games-- not to mention, I'd probably buy a classic controller or two that way. Or offer a Netflix type service for it-- I pay $10 a month, and I can play any VC game. I would surely burn away thousands of Wii points a year for that.

Too bad Nintendo is Notorious for this kind of BS. They've been gouging people in this manner with various accessories and pointless sequels (Pokemon...) for years. They're not gonna stop now > <

That's what pisses me off when ppl say the Wii is cheap. Yeah, the system is cheap, but it's just the bait like everything else Nintendo manufactures. I totally agree with you though. My retard friend actually defends their cost. But then he also supports the Wii codes >_>

I like the idea of a dual-gun Wii mote too. God damn that would rule if Capcom ever put DMC on the Wii (one can only hope)


Also I believe they tried a DVD Playback feature for Japanese Wii's but it didn't pan out very well. Oh, and PS3's price is beyond reasonable for the technology inside and what it costs to manufacture the damn things. Or should everything we want in life be perfectly affordable regardless of what it will cost the manufacturers and suppliers?

People need to STFU about the PS3's price. If it's too much, then save up some more or don't buy it. Like anything, if you want it badly enough, work for it.



Good comments PaiPai, I agree 100%. Insomniac also said that what they did with Resistance was "only the tip of the iceberg of what PS3 can really do." and I bet we'll start seeing some of that with MGS4, FF13 and eventually God of War 3 (That one's gonna be a doozy ^^ I can hardly wait)

The PSN both looks and functions like sheer ass. XBL is gorgeous (though that comes at the cost of paying for what is essentially an otherwise free battle.net-ish P2P system just to play with other people online. Fuck you MS) and functions very well. It's easy to use, and very appealing.

But, that may be why Sony isn't doing much with theirs. It could be to keep costs down. Either that or they're just lazy/retarded/don't care >_>

I also think Sony is right to shut down the RSX during other applications. They want to keep piracy issues to a minimum here. Yeah, I'd love to run PC games too but I think that's just a can of worms that Sony would rather not open. It could always change though, so you never know.


Speaking of online interfaces though, Nintendo needs to stop this friend code bull shit. NOW. They advertise being able to play games like Crystal Chronicles etc with people online, and then pull this bull shit so that you can only play online with people you already know. At the very least, make it so you can just play with others on your friend list! It's not an issue with PS3 or 360, so knock it off Nintendo. Are they that afraid of a lawsuit?! I seriously doubt any judge would convict Nintendo...


Sorry this isn't too organized, I'm just editing sparely between bouts of Lucky Star and Devil May Cry (The anime, not the games though I love those too) and my only beefs with 360 so far are paying for XBL Gold (complete bull shit for reasons stated above.) and how much heat the system generates. To hell with campfires, just set up a 360 outdoors and a portable TV or something with Halo 3 and you'll be golden >_>

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

Keep in mind that the only console I own, and pretty much plan on owning, is the Wii.

Wii -
1. Make VC games free, or very cheap. There is no reason I should pay $5 for a twenty year old game, especially when I can get it for a few coins at a local shop and have the actual game. The Wii would be a very attractive console if, instead of having to pay through the nose for games, I was able to simply select one and play it for free. It would basically make the console more than pay for itself, just through the library of games-- not to mention, I'd probably buy a classic controller or two that way. Or offer a Netflix type service for it-- I pay $10 a month, and I can play any VC game. I would surely burn away thousands of Wii points a year for that.

Basically, no more $10 for N64 games. That's absurd, I could go buy used GameCube games for half that.

First: don't download games you aren't really willing to buy.

Second, I, and anybody else who has actually downloaded a game, would absolutely die if they used a Netflix system. Me especially, considering how I like to, *ahem* take my time with things. >_>

2. Wii Game Demos. I don't care if I have to subscribe to Nintendo Power, if I can just download them, or what, but I want some freakin' demos.

I was lounging around my local Gamestop (please don't hurt me ;_; ), and I managed to sneak a peek at the "Holiday" issue of Nintendo Power (to which I am currently subscribed, so I would think I'm in the clear <_< ) . . .

Quintessentially, we're getting that. Nintendo Power subscription will not increase odds of getting.

3. Wireless Nunchuck. 'nuff said.

>_>

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I flail sometimes, but not that much. While it would be nice, I hardly think it's necessary. Probably the last on my Wii wishlist.

I seriously hope that you aren't one of the people that got salivating at that one picture that looked like a Wireless Nunchuck, but wasn't. Just because there was an error in the photograph doesn't make the actual product any more likely.

Those of us who have Nunchucks already (which is just about everybody who owns a Wii, plus or minus a few people) probably wouldn't see much need in buying another one, anyways.

This item indirectly contradicts your next one, so you know.

4. More Wiimote attachments. Yes, the nunchuck is useful, but there's a reason that there is a port on the Wiimote, right? How about a modified nunchuck with a second pointer for dual wielder gun games (and putting a trigger button below it, of course)? [B]Or a keyboard that builds in the Wiimote so that we can use the console without having to point? Being able to plug a wiimote into a keyboard and then navigate with that would both be one of the few things that could get me to buy another keyboard, very good for making MMOs more possible, and nice for the internet channel. A PS2 example:

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Basically, make it so I can use a keyboard with the Wii without having to constantly pick up and put down the Wiimote.

There are two USB ports in the back of the console, and a recent system update made it compatible with USB Keyboards for just about everywhere you previously had to use an on-screen Keyboard.

Really, there are more possibilities out there for Wiimote attachments, I wanna see some!

This part I can agree with.

As for my opinion...

PS3: There's a massive amount of untapped potential there, and not enough devs are taking advantage of it.

Interestingly enough, people were saying this about the Wii 3/4s of a year ago. Thought I'd note that.



As for what I want to see with Wii, well, a few stuff. The only thing I can think of at the moment is for the Internet Channel. Two words: Tabbed Browsing.

In the long run, though, I'd like to see the Wii (or maybe its successor) flesh out to become some sort of psuedo-Operating-System. Not like a Linux box that some people make of their PS3s, but I mean the stuff in the Wii itself almost on the level of an OS. That really would be kind of cool, though I guess it's a sort of vague pipe dream.

[Feba]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

Oh, and PS3's price is beyond reasonable for the technology inside

Which is the problem. Sony has made the PS3 almost completely unusable as a gaming PC, so I don't give a shit about the technology inside. I buy a console to play games, I don't care what's in it, I care about the games. The cost of the PS3 is completely unreasonable for it's position as a gaming console

I also think Sony is right to shut down the RSX during other applications.

The risk of piracy is incredibly slim compared to the fact that it makes the PS3 less suitable for gaming than computers from years ago. It basically turns PS3 computing into a joke, not something people could actually use for gaming. If it was possible to play 3D games on PS3 while it's in linux it would actually be close to being worth it's cost.

I seriously hope that you aren't one of the people that got salivating at that one picture that looked like a Wireless Nunchuck, but wasn't.

Of course not, I saw that long after I'd heard of the idea, and it would be very nice. It has nothing to do with flailing, it has to do with the cord being annoying and getting in the way. There is no reason I should have to hold the cord between my toes and stretch my legs out to keep it out of the way-- and yet I've had to do that a half a dozen times.

There are two USB ports in the back of the console, and a recent system update made it compatible with USB Keyboards for just about everywhere you previously had to use an on-screen Keyboard.

Duh. That's completely not the point.

And as for the VC, I haven't downloaded any games; not because I don't want any of them, but because the prices are outrageous. There are plenty I'd be willing to buy, AT THE PRICES I COULD GET THEM AT FROM A LOCAL GAMES DEALER. Why should I pay $10 for a game where I could get the games for a tenth that? And I mean the netflix-style subscription as an alternative, not the only way.

Nintendo Power subscription will not increase odds of getting.

I was referring to demo discs.

[Pai Pai Master]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

...and the only exclusive right now that a lot of people are going to want is Rachet and Clank.

There are far more than that, but I won't submit myself to list wars. Yes, it did take a while, but the age of PS3 having "no worthwhile exclusives" is over. For a time it seemed that every good game it got was "just barely not good enough to justify the cost of the console." That was the one common thing you'd read at the end of every review. How many various games that are barely not good enough does it need until collectively, they're all worth the price of the console?

Sony's simply blocking out RSX access to cover their asses from emulators of their competitors consoles, as well as their own. Doesn't do much good for PS3 owners to be able to download old PSone and PS2 games from the PS Store if they can just use the installed Linux OS to play them for free. (Which is another problem with the platform...Japan gets 10-20 PSone titles a month and we get 1-2) I agree, it sucks, but does Sony really need another lawsuit on their hands, this time from Microsoft and Nintendo?

Thing is, you don't need the RSX for proper graphics rendering; it can be done on the CELL. It's just gonna take a long time for people to learn how to do that; probably longer than it would to find a workaround past the RSX block...and I do look forward to that happening eventually.

Interestingly enough, people were saying this about the Wii 3/4s of a year ago. Thought I'd note that.

Precisely, as Galaxy proved that third parties, and the rest of Nintendo's studios, need to get up off their asses and use the damn hardware. There's no excuse for Wii games to look worse than PS2 games.

With PS3 it's a similar situation, but it's a matter of developers needing to spend time, and Sony needing to spend time with them, to learn to properly make use of the SPEs in the CELL architecture.



This image is from one of the latest PDFs released by Guerrilla Games (like Insomniac, Guerrilla is constantly communicating their techniques and findings about PS3 development to other devs), and shows how the developer balances out tasks among the 6 SPEs available. Even in a game like Killzone 2, we're only seeing developers use 4 of the 6 available SPEs. Uncharted, which is argued to be one of the best looking console games so far and definitely the best looking PS3 game so far, only uses 4 as well.

There's no doubt that each of the three consoles has untapped potential. Whether it can get better for the Wii than Galaxy is unknown as we practically know its boundaries, but with the 360 there's certainly more headroom to work with, and 2008's titles will certainly prove that (Gears 2 will probably set the visual bar for console games yet again). With PS3, the fact that devs like Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and Guerrilla have left major resources untapped could point to some vast improvements further on in the generation, not just in terms of graphics, but also in terms of AI, physics and other various processes necessary to next-gen games.

[Armando]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

Too bad Nintendo is Notorious for this kind of BS. They've been gouging people in this manner with various accessories and pointless sequels (Pokemon...) for years. They're not gonna stop now > <

Hey now, Pokemon sequels aren't pointless except maybe the third version they release some time after the first two (Yellow was lol, Crystal...never tried it, but Emerald does have some significant features that Ruby/Sapphire doesn't have.) Every new Pokemon sequel changes the gameplay drastically (which matters a lot to those that actually battle other playrs,) even if the original formula of the main game is the same.

I think the only thing I would really want to see is lower prices on Virtual Console games as has been mentioned already. The PS3 is too expensive and I'm not optimistic/foolish enough to expect reasonable prices out of the PS3. And I don't have any interest in X-Box 360 either.

That's what pisses me off when ppl say the Wii is cheap. Yeah, the system is cheap, but it's just the bait like everything else Nintendo manufactures. I totally agree with you though. My retard friend actually defends their cost. But then he also supports the Wii codes >_>

Not to sound like a Nintendo fanboy but I don't see the reasoning behind this statement. How many accessories do you need for Wii that'll make it expensive?

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

I was referring to demo discs.

2. Wii Game Demos. I don't care if I have to subscribe to Nintendo Power, if I can just download them, or what, but I want some freakin' demos.

Sure you were.

Also, Pai Pai, why'd you make me a Ninja? While they can be pretty cool, I think I'm more on the Paladin side of things . . .

[Pai Pai Master]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

lol my bad. isn't there someone around here named Yellow Ninja? Yellow's not even that great of a colour.

As for the Wii being "expensive"?

Just thought I'd toss this out there.

FORTUNE: Even at $600 the Wii is a must-have gift this season

Le sigh.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

Not that great a color?!?

I'll have you know Yellow is one of the three Primary Pigment colors, alongside Red and Blue (thus, Yellow Mage, like Red Mage and Blue Mage), not to mention it's the first wavelength the human eye notices.

Yellow's my favorite color. So I take indignation at the remark that it's "not that great."

I am unaware of the existance of a "Yellow Ninja;" I am just a Yellow Mage. As Yellow is the first color the eye notices, I somehow doubt that Yellow would be very prudent for a Ninja, anyways . . .



. . .

But, yeah, enough color banter.

Back on topic, the Wii still has plenty of untapped potential. A lot of it will be tapped with Brawl, but that's still far from everything I feel the console can do.

[tdh]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

Of course the PS3 has games. It just doesn't have that many GOOD ones that lots of people are going to want. Only exclusive games really count when you're looking to buy a console, and the only exclusive right now that a lot of people are going to want is Rachet and Clank. The Wii and 360 have very strong first party titles.

Your turn: Do you actually own a PS3? Or are we just reading general advertising based opinions on the Blog-sphere?

Assassin's Creed
Call of Duty 4
Ratchet & Clank Future
Rock Band
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Warhawk

Half of that list are exclusives, half of that list are cross platforms. Looking at the top selling games for both X360 and PS3 right now on a couple of sites all have an almost identical top selling lists. Swap Ratchet & Uncharted for Mass Effect & Halo 3, and they're nearly the same.

I will not deny that exclusives help sell a console, but that's not the only thing. And to continue the misinformed opinions of "has no games" or "has no good games" should then apply to our current media favorite, the X360, as well.

Do you actually own a Wii? Every single game for Wii (excluding special games like Guitar Hero and DDR), including Wii Sports, can be played sitting down, just like any other console.

Couple of weeks ago, I would have only said I just get to play it once a week at friends house, but I now own my own. (YAY unused benefit time pay out check!) Yes, you can play some of those games sitting down, being as lazy as you wanna be. Mario Party is one of those games. At best you just need to hit the edge of your seat. But for some of the games it is really helpful to the space. Getting a good throw in Bowling. Tiger Woods Golf are two of the games I'm referring to.

Of course still sitting on the couch to play these games defeats the original reason for the controller scheme, but we're all lazy and will find a way around those new age get up and exercise initiatives.

[Malacite]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

At least where I am, it's about $90 per additional player since you need to buy a Wii Mote, Nunchuck and Classic Controller. Then there's that stupid new zapper they made, as well as the steering wheel that will ship with Mario Kart... Wii points cards, sleeves for your wii mote.. do I really need to continue?

My point is PS3 is expensive, but at least you get everything you need in one box (they now ship with the HDMI cables too, or at least most retailers provide it now in their deals) I'd like to know why 360 didn't have built in Wi-Fi. Why the hell do I have to pay $130 for a wireless network adapter? It can't be cost, because the Wii has it too, not just PS3.


As far as untapped potential goes, CELL actually has 8 SPE's I thought, with 7 open for use and the 360 allegedly has only been using 2 of it's 3 GPUs so far (though I've seen charts that show even with 360 running @ max capacity CELL still pwns it by a decent margin)

Of course, the moment they do start using that 3rd GPU anyone without an external cooling unit can likely expect some kind of mishap >_>


I'd also like to go on record as saying I loathe fan boys (I have all 3 consoles tyvm ^^) and thoroughly enjoy and support all 3 consoles ^^

[Anaki]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

you dont need the sleaves for the wii mote though o.O and im thinking you dont need the zapper either.


edit: also people keep saying blu-ray is not needed and movies work well in dvds so we should stick to them. but people gotta realize theres more in this world then just movies >.< blu rays can also be used later on as data discs and so on. 1 disc = 50 gigs of backup. versus 6 dvds to back up the same amount of data etc etc

[Malacite]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

They're working on making Blu Ray quad-layered for up to 100 GB I believe.

[Anaki]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

ya the fancy thing of the quad layered part is that. its a software update for the quad layer not a hardware update. which means the quad layer ones. will be able to work in any blu-ray player. so ya blu-ray is not for movies only >.< ps3 games use blu-ray for data storage. so that they dont need multi discs. think of it this way. if you want to fit a high graphics game on a DVD. you may have to cut the game duration

[Armando]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

At least where I am, it's about $90 per additional player since you need to buy a Wii Mote, Nunchuck and Classic Controller. Then there's that stupid new zapper they made, as well as the steering wheel that will ship with Mario Kart... Wii points cards, sleeves for your wii mote.. do I really need to continue?

It's unfair to count peripherals. It's like saying the X-Box is extra expensive because of the cost of DDR pads or the guitars for Guitar Hero. If you don't want to pay for them, then you don't get the game that needs it. I also very much doubt that you need the classic Classic Controller at all, much less one for every person that wants to play. You also don't need the sleeves, but correct me if I'm wrong, Nintendo gave them out for free to current Wii owners at the time they came out. I know that a close friend of mine got them for free.

[Pai Pai Master]

Re: What do you want to see for the PS3, 360, and Wii?

It's perfectly fair to count nunchuck. Not Classic Controller, however. I don't own a single one, nor do I want to.

And Malacite, CELL has 8 SPEs in the architecture, one disabled for redundancy (so technically they can produce one with a single faulty SPE and still pass it for use), and one reserved by the PS3 OS for various processes. Developers have 6 SPEs available for their use at any time.