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[Armando]

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Great charactors, Pit and Dedede, and I look forward to playing them both (though, Dedede will be a tad awkward as I'm not used to heavy charactors), but both their Final Smashes happened to fall in the worst category, as far as I see.

I've read in Smashboards once or twice that Pit's Final Smash is quite powerful, actually. They say the centurions are really hard to avoid and they hit hard. Think of it as an Unown shower that actually hurts.

[Yellow Mage]

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Smashboards

I haven't visited that site since I think October 8th. As of October 10th, I merely deleted it from my Favorites, otherwise not even touching the link with a ten-foot-polearm.

I'm never going back there, ever again.

[Yellow Mage]

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Heh, IE . . . *Yellow Mage is now with more Firefox than since last post*


Anyways, I figured that this thread deserved a bump, as my sentiments are the same to the latest update; and I'm not talking about the delay, either, and not even Olimar nor Sonic hold the amount of disdain that I do for the following:

Sheik



Use Zelda’s down special move to transform into Sheik! Once you do so, you’ll have access to a new character completely unique from Zelda.

Sheik doesn’t appear in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, but we based her model on a design that was drafted up during the development of that game.






Sheik's Special Moves
Standard Special Move Needle Storm
Side Special Move Chain
Up Special Move Vanish
Down Special Move Transform
Final Smash Light Arrow

Characters | Sheik | Jan. 16 Wed. 2008

In your face, Yellow Mage.

Though I'll admit I'm probably wrong about the Animal Crossing character since the introduction of the Pictochat stage means that for the first time, there's a stage with no character to go with it.

Curse you Armando . . . though, since you put it that way, I suppose we'll call it a draw.

. . . I don't think I need to say why I'm upset, right? Sheik was such a freaking broken and abused character in Melee: I saw ZERO reason for her to make a return in Brawl. What do we have to attribute to this, Sakurai-san? Lack of time? Olimar? Sonic?!? (Now that I think about it, delays were announced shortly after both characters . . . very suspicious . . . )

Anyways, my greatest fear of this game is kind of complicated and confusing, but, at essence, it is that it won't end up being "Smash Bros. 3," but, rather, just "Melee 2." Each update has done more and more to either support or appease that fear, and this, I must say, has to be one of the supporting ones.

*sigh* . . . My one "shining" hope is, ironically, Fox's reflector. I'll say this right now: I y***ing hated team Starfox in Melee. Armando would know why. But, remember that one trailer that has a non-canonically evil Raquaza non-canonically rising from a lake (for non-Pokéfans, Raquaza's supposed to be in the Ozone layer guarding the planet; the lack of Pokécanon angering me I've also noted with Pikachu's Skull Bash, which he shouldn't even have in the first place, not to mention it's such a sucky, last-minute-implementation-style move . . . I digress . . . )? Well, Fox raised his reflector . . . and used it as a wall (much like I would rather have Pikachu do with Light Screen). Hopefully, the Reflector will more be used as just that: a "Reflector," and not some tactic that becomes the cheapest move in the game when paired with a physics abuse (which, with the new physics engine, that's my most steadfast hope that Brawl won't be Melee 2 that said physics abuse won't be returning). Hopefully, it only "reflects" the same types of "energy" attacks that would similarly be absorbed by Ness/Lucas's "PSI Magnet," plus maybe more tangible projectiles. And speaking of Earthbound, more hope of a "fixed reflector" is the "MOTHER Badge," which gives all who equip it a constant "reflect effect," which, hopefully obviously, can't be used to directly attack somebody with a hopefully non-existent physics abuse.

*gasp* *gasp* I'm done ranting for now. I'll move Shiek and my feelings of "Smash Bros. 3" versus "Melee 2" to the OP sometime in the future.

[Feba]

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we based her model on a design that was drafted up during the development of that game.

Wait, wait?

[Yellow Mage]

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Wait, wait?

Precisely my point, albeit in a weird, Feba-cised sort of way.

[Armando]

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Wait, wait?

In the Sonic thread, I put up a link to this interview when Yellow Mage insisted Sheik wasn't going to be in.

Originally Posted by Game Informer
GI: Have you been consulted at all for the usage of Link or Sheik or Ganondorf for Smash Bros. Brawl?

Aonuma: I’ve been working with Sakurai for a very long time with this new Smash Bros., because the Wii came out and when discussion for a new Smash Bros. took place nobody could think of anyone other than Sakurai working on it. He was kind of the default, and I was very happy to hear that he would be working on it. Actually, my designers did work on the designs for Sheik and Link and Ganondorf. So they submitted the initial designs, and so it would fit in the Smash Bros. Brawl environment, they’ve had to tweak some of the designs. But Sakurai has brought those altered designs to NCL. We’re working very closely with the team of Smash Bros. Brawl to make sure the characters look their best.

Yellow Mage: According to all accounts I've read at Smashbros from people who played at E for All, Fox has been nerfed, and the wavedash no longer exists, since the air dodge merely gives invincibility frames during your jump, instead of being a movement in itself. And nerfing the Reflector to energy only would be really freaking lame. It's not like it's a very powerful reflector as it is, since it lags you a lot when you do use it to bounce off projectiles.

Sheik can be in as long as they nerf her too. Of course, with chaingrabs gone, and the new character roster, I think that'd be enough for her to be good without being broken, and they wouldn't have to change too much about her.

Edit: Also, let's not get our pants in a bunch over non-canonical stuff. If it makes a cool/fun enough boss, I don't care if Rayquaza's depiction is off.

I mean, hell, Meta Knight's Halberd ship's Combo Cannon had mechanical hands complete with white gloves, not high-speed bungee chains of death.

[Yellow Mage]

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Yellow Mage: According to all accounts I've read at Smashbros from people who played at E for All, Fox has been nerfed, and the wavedash no longer exists, since the air dodge merely gives invincibility frames during your jump, instead of being a movement in itself. And nerfing the Reflector to energy only would be really freaking lame. It's not like it's a very powerful reflector as it is, since it lags you a lot when you do use it to bounce off projectiles.

Dude, I thanked you just for this part. It totally alleviated just about all my fears.

I still don't see the point in putting Sheik in, though. Oh, well: I was never a Zelda player anyways. I'll look at her as a look at all the other characters I haven't liked thus far: just another body to zap, burn, cut, and wash away.

Edit: Also, let's not get our pants in a bunch over non-canonical stuff. If it makes a cool/fun enough boss, I don't care if Rayquaza's depiction is off.

I mean, hell, Meta Knight's Halberd ship's Combo Cannon had mechanical hands complete with white gloves, not high-speed bungee chains of death.

See, this wouldn't bug me as much if they actually turned Pikachu's Side-Special attack in to something a Pikachu can actually use, preferably something that's also useful.

[Pai Pai Master]

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While wave-dashing is out, so is L-canceling.

[Armando]

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L-cancel is supposedly still in, but in a different form - you'll automatically L-cancel only if you attack after fast-falling. Supposedly, you can't fast-fall after aerials any more, only before.

See, this wouldn't bug me as much if they actually turned Pikachu's Side-Special attack in to something a Pikachu can actually use, preferably something that's also useful.

I feel for you, but what can you do? Maybe they'll pump up the power so it can at least be of some use in Team play.

[Malacite]

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Yay ^^

I HATE all these retarded "advanced" combos/glitches that some times make into games (namely Halo 2's BXR, BXB BYYB etc...)

You know, crap that's not entirely easy to do and known to only a few who laud their "skill" over others.

[Feba]

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Malacite: Never play GunZ.

[Armando]

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L-cancelling is pretty easy. All you had to do was press L, R, or Z just before landing from an aerial, and your landing lag would be cut in half. I can understand how wavedashing would be difficult, though. It took me quite a while to get the timing down. Even so, wavedashing helped the game more than hurt it (because many characters, such as Luigi and Samus, gained a lot of much-needed mobility.) Plus, just knowing how to wavedash didn't make you a good player. I know, 'cuz I've seen lots of people that know how to do it and still suck >_>

L-cancelling wasn't a glitch or or physics abuse, by the way.

In any case, it seems Brawl will be a slower-paced game than Melee was, which is not necessarily a bad thing. However, I'm kind of concerned about dodging. Most dodge rolls were slow and very punishable in Melee. In a lot of cases, it was too slow to punish attacks you got out of the way from. With the wavedash gone, I hope dodge rolls will be sped up.

[Yellow Mage]

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The wavedash as a physics abuse admittedly isn't that big, as Armando said, and it tends to be the scapegoat of sorts for basically every "advanced" technique in the book.

Because, rest assured, the wavedash wasn't the only think I was worried about, and, heck, I'll accept the L-Cancel back with open arms! (As Armando stated, it was obviously an intentionally placed skill.)

Rather, I greatly fear the fact that there's some person out there with no life who spends their time probing the game with everything they've got to find some other game-breaking abuse that slipped through the cracks to give them the upper-hand. Then the abuse goes public, spreads like wildfire, and becomes par for the tournament. And this isn't just for physics abuses: this can be for certain characters as well, like Melee's Sheik (hello, tier system).

Solution? Wii has Online Capabilities: hellooo patch!