What SE could do, but won't.

[Feba]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

because the people that do graphics design are also GMs.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

For serious? The same people that forget to put invincibility on and get pwned by some random crab somewhere?

GMs are hilarious..

[Malacite]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

All I'm saying is I'd rather see a next-gen version of the game is all, without the stupid memory limitations and FF13-or-better quality graphics


'cause I like the shinies. I know games are about more than shinies, but my god the prettiness...

[Feba]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

Malacite: Anything wrong with my BestOfBothWorlds solution though?

[Ziero]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

Didn't SE state...repeatedly...that they'd rather work on a new MMO game then completely rework FFXI.

And the reason they don't do your 'best of both worlds' thing is because they also stated that they wanted to keep all three systems as close to each other as possible. Right now there are no major differences between the game across the systems but to update 2 of the 3...especially when the third contains the largest amount of players in their player base...might piss off a LOT of people.

[Feba]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

ziero: yes, I'm sure PS2 players are pissed off that they're on a seven year old system, but that's not a valid excuse for not using resources where they are available.

[Ziero]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

ziero: yes, I'm sure PS2 players are pissed off that they're on a seven year old system, but that's not a valid excuse for not using resources where they are available.

I c wut u did thar o.<

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

How many times has it been said?

SE
DOES
NOT
WANT
TO
REVERSION
THE
CODE

All the wanting in the world will not change that until they see sufficient reason to do otherwise.

The moment they upgrade the PC engine, the crybitch-fest would begin on the PS3 and 360 user side and they'd want it, too.

[Feba]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

BBQ: Way to pay attention.

[Ziero]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

Apparently pissing into the wind is more fun then it looks, why else would so many always do it?

[Feba]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

StarvingArtist: as in the OP, EVE online. They are keeping their DX8 client, building a DX10 client, and also working on releasing versions for linux and mac (I'm unsure how the mac version is going, the linux version is in beta, although it already works pretty well in WINE); and CCP is a much newer and smaller company than SE.

again, this would be a solely graphical change. I highly doubt SE managed to fit a game onto PS2, PC, AND Xbox without having to change ANY of the code involved. It might be based off the same base, but it would be very odd for one system to suffer bugs the others don't (and this does happen), not to mention it being rather odd just to have FFXI actually, you know, RUNNING AT ALL.

Also, HL: Source was crap. Google "Black Mesa Source" or "Black Mesa Mod" or "Half Life 2: Black Mesa" for a better look at what it should have been. And that would be because one of them is on the source engine, which from what I've seen is about the game AND graphics, instead of working on the old code. Either way, it's comparing games with completely unrelated objectives.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

How many times has it been said?
SE
DOES
NOT
WANT
TO
REVERSION
THE
CODE

I think you mean revise.

However, back to the point at hand. If FFXI still has 500k subs then S-E are raking in a mega-fuckton of cash each month. The whole "cost of revising graphics" excuse just doesn't wash. Sure if they're using profits from FFXI to soley fund development of new titles then I can understand this, however, that doesn't prevent existing FFXI customers from voicing their opinion on graphics overhauls. Hell, after two years EQ completely redid their character models and are once again doing so. They also went back and buffed old zone graphics and are continuing to do so on an ongoing basis. Just because for some people this game is their life and they foam like a slug with a pair of salty underkecks everytime someone says, "Hey, maybe if they did this the game could be better!" doesn't mean to say others who dare to think have to pay attention to walls of red screaming.

[Feba]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

to be blunt, VALVe is full of shit.

Last I checked, you don't pay a monthly balance for Steam, or Half Life, or Counter Strike. You do pay monthly for MMOs. Valve needs you to buy their newest games in order to play with your friends, in order to make their money. MMOs need to keep you interested. If an MMO goes cross platform, or upgrades, they draw in new players. If an FPS goes cross platform, or upgrades, they draw in new players. If you have to buy an entirely new MMO to upgrade, you probably won't. If you have to buy an entirely new FPS to upgrade, you probably will, it's not like you're losing any progress.

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges here: we know that FFXI CAN be coded to work on multiple platforms, and we know that FFXI HAS been coded to work on multiple platforms, and we know that SE IS capable of upgrading FFXI's graphics (DX9, remember), there's nothing being asked for that SE couldn't reasonably do. They just choose not to.

And also, CCP does more than EVE. CCP merged with a company called White Wolf, and announced an MMO using their franchise. Considering that FFXI for PC was released five months after the PS2 version, compared to CCP just rolling out their Linux beta after five YEARS of service, when FFXI has already reached a third platform (and considered even more), that FFXI was clearly the one designed to be multiplatform. This has nothing to do with pushing the limits-- pushing the limits in a computer game would be retarded, you'd alienate most of your customers since their computers wouldn't be able to run it, and you'd be outdated quickly anyway. This is just asking for it to be brought up to reasonable, recent standards. Look at any 360 game, and tell me you honestly think it would be too much to have that much graphical quality in FFXI.

[Ziero]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

SE doesn't want to change their older stuff because it would alienate more then half of their current fan base. The reason all those other games could update their graphics was because they gave the option to everyone. SE is not able to give everyone that option and because of it, wish to keep the games as similar to each other as they can. Any special features the Xbox version got...which are slim to none...were most likely part of the deal of just being on the Xbox. But the fact that they stated they want to keep all three games similar and the fact that they state they'd rather make a new multi system MMO then spend the same amount of money to give the old one an unneeded face lift should be reasons enough as to why they don't overhaul the game.

Besides, as far as I'm concerned FFXI is the best looking, art and visual design wise, MMO game I've ever seen and I personally don't think it needs to change anything.

[Feba]

Re: What SE could do, but won't.

SE doesn't want to change their older stuff because it would alienate more then half of their current fan base.

Again, you're saying you honestly believe that PS2 players would be angry that the PS2 cannot support graphics more than PC players are (quite obviously already) pissed off at the PS2 for holding back memory, even though the graphics can be changed without giving an unfair advantage to ANYONE, and just making the experience nicer (PS2 users could still see pretty screenshots by their friends and LS) VISUALLY while having no effect on gameplay.

Also, do you know ANYTHING about computers? The reason these graphics warrant an upgraded client is because NOT EVERYBODY CAN UPGRADE. Not everyone can just upgrade to the newest version. I mean, hello, DX10, that should've been a giant freaking clue. If you aren't willing to go buy Vista, you aren't enjoying that. That doesn't mean that you get ANGRY at those that do (although you're perfectly welcome to get angry at not porting to OpenGL, that's another issue), I've not once seen someone get angry that a client is having it's graphics improved, just that they can't afford to upgrade their computer for it. I've not once seen anyone actually complain about the actual IMPROVED GRAPHICS, just the situations of them, of which this would obviously not be the case.

there is still NO reason why SE can't upgrade FFXI's graphics engine on SOME CLIENTS, and then reuse said graphics on FFXI-2; especially if FFXI-2 let us import our old characters.