The Catalogue of Lost PS3 Exclusives

[WishMaster3K]

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Sadly, $400 is a good price for the PS3 if I intend to buy one. But by that time, it'll be worth the money. As of now, the only thing that's worth the investment is a new Dual Core PC that I'll immediately install FFXI on anyway.

[Pai Pai Master]

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99.9% of console buyers wait at least a couple of price drops before adoption a next-gen platform. The PS2 didn't sell 120,000,000 units priced at $299, and the PS3, 360 and Wii won't get near the 60,00,000 mark for another 3-4 years at the least. They all know this, and I highly doubt Sony will expect so much of gamers for much longer, as they've clearly realized their mistake.

[WishMaster3K]

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Yeah. Case in point- the Wii is raping everyone. Not because they have awesome games, but because of the price.

Parents could care less about the wii-mote and shyt, but when the kid wants a video game system, it's either PS2 or the Wii.

Because as we all know, between now and NEXT Holiday season, the Wii will have a grand total of EIGHT must have games. Two of which will be Metroid and 3 of which involve Mario.

And possibly have a Mario Party IX out by then. Mario Party is on track to outpace Megaman for "Most redundant sequals ever."

[Pai Pai Master]

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The question is, what happens when Microsoft eventually drops their Core 360 to $249 or $199?

We'll see then if the Wii's "innovation-factor" holds up, or if it really is just the price that's doing it for them.

[WishMaster3K]

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The Wii isn't innovative. People like to throw that term around. The Wii is a novelty. It's a form factor and has no substance. You can easily read any random shmoe's blog and they'll rant and rave about how wonderful the FIVE games on the Wii coming out in the next 12 months are.

Metroid is gonna be awesome. Then wait 2 months for another Wii game.
Mario is gonna be awesome. Rinse and Repeat.
<Insert Nintendo franchise here> is gonna be awesome. Rinse and repeat.

Nintendo has had the same formula for going on 12 years. Gone are the days of SNES and Genesis when the brightest minds are pumping games out everywhere. Now it's all rehashes and garbage. Nintendo fans saying that Sony doesn't innovate is equivalent to a pot calling a kettle black. I personally don't want to play the same Mario game I played back on N64.

BACK AWAY Japanese men. I would NOT like to play.

Sadly, the XB360 has the most going for it, and the PS3 has the most potential that isn't being tapped because as was the case last generation, developers are unmotivated front-running bastards and publishing companies wouldn't spend a cent over budget for a perfect game if they could instead scale back production and force the game onto other systems to make it in time for a crappy movie tie-in.

The video game market is depressing. That's why I just look at Nun porn all day.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Gametrailers had an interesting discussion on their Bonus Round segment about "how many Thanksgivings the Wii has to last." N'gai Croal made a point that this fall, we'll probably see a "WiiSports 2" and it'll probably be just as successful as the first. But what about the third and fourth iterations? Michael Pachter mentioned that two Thanksgivings is all Nintendo needs before they release a high-def, BD-playing "Wii 2", entering the true next-gen market.

Just speculation, but interesting to think about. I personally think it's pretty obvious that in 2 years' time, both Microsoft and Sony will be standing strong, but I can't even begin to guess where the Wii will be. In 2 years it'll either continue to be the huge success it is now, or it'll be breathing its dying breaths. I don't see it lasting much longer in its current state, and I'd expect Nintendo to start doing a lot to keep it fresh. They've dug themselves a whole in that they can't just start their franchise cycle right now and add waggle controls to every IP they put on the N64 and GameCube. Like the DS, franchises are going to have to take a backseat to non-traditional games, which is what I fear the most at the same time. I think Nintendo needs to strike a balance between traditional and non-traditional games, but continue to give me a reason to care about the controller, when I could be playing many of those genres of games on my 360 or PS3 in much higher quality. In 2 years, the mass market of people will begin to turn to those cheaper 360s and PS3s, which is where the Wii's real test will begin.

Like you said, Metroid will be awesome. Then we wait for Mario. Then we wait for Smash Bros. Then we wait for MarioKart. Then we wait for Animal Crossing. Then we wait for F-Zero. Then we wait for Star Fox. That hasn't worked for Nintendo in the past, nor will it this time.

[InuTrunks]

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Wish, you're forgetting that Nintendo's flagship products, have always been in house. Most of the "3rd party" games that have come out for the Wii so far have just been straight GC ports (games that were supposed to be on the gamecube, with wiimote controls thrown in). Read developer blogs, they are saying that the Wii is easier to program for, and is more fun to program for. Also, you'll start seeing games TRULY developed for the Wii, which will be more fun, and more "innovative".

But, as people have said, the main selling factor for the Wii right now is the 250$ price point. Almost 1/2 below the current "next gen" prices. Once the 360 drops to the price of the Wii, or below it, we'll truly see how things play out.


For me, the selling point of the ps3 will be 300-400$, and atleast 3 must have games. Right now, FFXIII, White Knight, and MGS4 are my must have games, but with MGS4 looming to be multi platform, I dunno.

[Feba]

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You can easily read any random shmoe's blog and they'll rant and rave about how wonderful the FIVE games on the Wii coming out in the next 12 months are.

As with the PS3, and the 360 a year ago. The fact is, NEW CONSOLES DON'T HAVE MANY GAMES. Especially when they come out of nowhere like the Wii did. In console terms, the Wii and PS3 are like 8 year olds, and you're yelling at them for not being able to do much. The 360 is like a teenager, still not the most capable person around, but he has his talents.

The Wii IS innovative, as true motion in video games had nowhere near been exploited. Sure, there's the occasional handheld game with a tilt pack, but there aren't baseball games where you actually swing a bat, or shooters where you aim a gun, outside of a few crappy plug-n-play games and arcades.

the XB360 has the most going for it

Do not tell me you're implying that the 360 (and Microsoft) are more innovative than the PS3 or Wii.

[WishMaster3K]

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Thank you, Pai Pai Master. Honestly, does Nintendo think it takes people 3 months to beat a game? Do they REALLY think that Mario or Zelda has 1-2 months of additional replay value?

That's the only justification I can think of.

Nintendo's always had good sales. But their 1st party IPs are too strong, in EVEVERY genre. Why buy a FPS when Metroid is out? Why get a platformer when Mario is out? Action-Adventure? RPG? Na, I'll play Zelda.

They definitely dig themselves into their own holes. From an IP standpoint, Microsoft is in good position.

But knowing Microsoft, they'll eff up. And Sony has too much Ancient Japanese Samurai Spirit to go down without a fight. They know they're losing, but people expect them to say, "ok, we give! We'll be back next round!"

I HOPE Sony learns a lesson from this. We won't just do what they say because they're Sony.

Well, some of us might. /blush

:-[

[Pai Pai Master]

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$300-400, I also agree, is the necessary price point for the PS3's success. How quickly Sony intends to get there, however, we'll find out next week. Most analysts had already mentioned long ago that they don't see the PS3 picking up its steam until late 2008 or early 2009, but Sony could surprise a lot of people with a larger price drop this year. The PS3 is already a great deal at $599, but $399 is definitely the price it needs to get the mass market to notice it. By the end of the year I think more people will start to notice Blu-ray Disc as a format and not just some mysterious technology, and next year the HD adoption rate will be high enough to really justify the purchase of next-gen multimedia hardware. And, of course, it'll have games like Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Gran Turismo 5.

Nintendo can counterbalance Microsoft and Sony's price drops with their own, but when does it become unnecessary? With Nintendo so obsessed with hardware profits, I don't see them dropping below the $99 price, ever, and I doubt the Wii hardware will ever get much cheaper to produce; it's already last-gen technology, how expensive can it be?

Do not tell me you're implying that the 360 (and Microsoft) are more innovative than the PS3 or Wii.

"Innovation" is the next "next-gen" of buzzwords. The 360 doesn't have to be the most innovative hardware to be the most successful. It has to have the most innovative games, which so far, it does.

[InuTrunks]

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Feba hits the nail on the head yet again, damn son, do you ever miss?

Exactly, the Wii and PS3 is a new system, the reason you see so many "must have" games for the 360 right now is because well, it's been out for over a year now, and all these games have been in development for years. The Must have games for the Wii/PS3 will be comming out shortly.

It's the same problem the PS2 faced for years, nothing was "must have" or a "system seller".

[WishMaster3K]

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To reiterate, Feba, the XB360 has the most overall developers, installed based, and platform foundation this cycle at this current moment. It is the best poised, at the moment, for an assault. I still don't like Microsoft's ideology of what a game console is supposed to be, but oh well..

Read developer blogs, they are saying that the Wii is easier to program for, and is more fun to program for. Also, you'll start seeing games TRULY developed for the Wii, which will be more fun, and more "innovative".

Inu, I agree with what you and Feba are saying, and neither the PS3 nor Wii architectures are a year old in the market, so maybe I'm being presumptuous, but with a system as specific as the Wii, I'd like to see games made for it, as opposed to games "adapted" for it.

And Inu! To be more specific, the second winter for the PS2 we saw Gran Turismo 3, Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy X and Metal Gear Solid 2.

The first week of December, the PS2 outsold NEW consoles.

Sony shot themselves in the foot this generation. I hope they can learn from their glaring mistakes (hubris...) and make a new strategy for the future. I don't want them to fail, the concept of the Cell Processor is awesome and needs to be continued.

[Feba]

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Feba hits the nail on the head yet again, damn son, do you ever miss?

I have no father!

*runs off crying*

[InuTrunks]

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Inu, I agree with what you and Feba are saying, and neither the PS3 nor Wii architectures are a year old in the market, so maybe I'm being presumptuous, but with a system as specific as the Wii, I'd like to see games made for it, as opposed to games "adapted" for it.

That was one of the problems with the Wii, it was "thrown" onto their 3rd party, but now that they have it, games are starting to take form. This generation of Wii (until 08) are games that were made for the gamecube, scrapped, then re-made for the wii (or, just adapted for the wii). Wait until 08 (or quarter 4 07), and you'll start seeing more games developed for the wii.

I don't want them to fail, the concept of the Cell Processor is awesome and needs to be continued.

Another problem with sony, the keep lying and they are losing their fanbase. They lost me with the HDD on the PS2 honestly. All this promise, all this talk, and they just scarpped it. The only thing it's good for so far... is the 500 memory cards on it (40GB of space), and if I did illegal things, I could buy the HDD loader... but meh, too lazy.

Another problem with Sony, their 7 year old Console is outselling their new one. In japan, the PS2 is selling more then that of the PS3 still to this day (every week none the less, here let me pull the numbers for ya). Keep in mind, this is Japanese sales chart.

Nintendo DS Lite - 163,888
Wii - 65,582
PSP - 32,984
PlayStation 2 - 11,962
PLAYSTATION 3 - 9,581
Xbox 360 - 3,369
Game Boy micro - 284
Game Boy Advance SP - 130

[Pai Pai Master]

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Don't expect the PS3 to start selling well in Japan again any time soon. Famitsu's Most Wanted Chart may be filled with a majority of PS3 titles, but very few of them are out until next year.

Sony's resorting to game bundles for the time being (3 different bundles are gonna be out in the next couple months), but once those heavy hitters hit Japan, the PS3 will pick up. 4 of the top 5 Famitsu Most Wanted titles will be available on PS3, with 3-4 more titles moving in and out of the list from week to week. The truth is, Nintendo owns the game market in Japan and they're on the verge of completely transforming it into a casual games market. That is why a lot of developers like Capcom are starting to focus on American markets. Traditional games don't sell well in Japan anymore, which can be mainly faulted to Nintendo and the incessant barrage of Brain Training and non-games.

As for PS2 sales, that's not a problem. That's a fantastic thing. As long as the PS2 continues to sell so well, it'll offset the losses on the PS3. Microsoft didn't have that advantage; they killed the Xbox as quickly as possible because they were still losing money on it. When the time comes, the PS2 will fade to the background as more people begin to adopt Sony's next-gen platform. The same thing happened with the PSone.

That is, of course, unless Sony decides to drop the PS2 to $99.99 and start a new casual line of games, which a lot of people are thinking they might do. In that case, Sony might be considering moving the PS2 out of the traditional game market and move it into the Wii's casual/mainstream market, where it could continue to sell for years to come.