IGE gets sued

[Mhurron]

Re: IGE gets sued

Gil farming employs thousands upon thousands of Chinese workers. They're underpaid by a great margin. Just like illegal immigrants from Mexico!

Theres a big difference that makes the two cases nothing alike. Illegal immigrants form the backbone of a lot of the economy by doing the work no American wants to, or doing it at wages that doesn't make the final product so expensive that no one can afford it.

MMO's do not need gilfarmers.

[jwalton]

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Feel free to explain how illegal immigrants are required for the economy.

[DakAttack]

Re: IGE gets sued

Feel free to explain how illegal immigrants are required for the economy.

Feel free to do some thinking of your own.

[Murphie]

Re: IGE gets sued

Or just feel free to re-read Mhurron's post where he already answered the question.

[Yellow Mage]

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It's one guy sueing, trying to expand it to a class action suit. It's one guy whining about a company, this suit isn't going anywhere, he has no grounds to bring it.

. . .

-This suit will not go anywhere
-Class action suits result in a paltry sum for the 'winners' ($50 or less, usually a lot less) and large sums of money for the law firm. It's still no win.

. . .

This suit is going nowhere. The person filing it probably just want's some attention and is trying to become some folk hero.

Is it just me, is is Mhurron being overly pessimistic? And by that, I mean more so than usual?

[Murphie]

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I think it's just you. He's always been like that.

[Yellow Mage]

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. . . by that, I mean more so than usual?

[Murphie]

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No. No more than usual.

[Yellow Mage]

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Okay. Thank you for answering my question, then.

[jwalton]

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GRRRRRR! RRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!!

I see you're still mad over Street Fighter II.

Or just feel free to re-read Mhurron's post where he already answered the question.

I worded the question wrong. What I meant to type was, "explain how illegal immigrants are required for an economy". The very fact that every other industrialized nation in the world functions just fine without relying on illegal immigration kind of nixes that whole requirement part, now doesn't it?

The two scenarios are very much similar. They both involve low wage individuals that are utilized to provide convenience despite public disapproval, with no real sign of an end to any of it.

[Murphie]

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I don't think that Mhurron was trying to argue that they are required for any economy to function. You're the one that keeps trying to make that comparison. So you're the one who should be making that argument, not Mhurron or anyone else.

[jwalton]

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MMO's do not need gilfarmers.

The implication being that illegal immigrants are somehow required for the US economy. If that wasn't what was implied, then I must ask what Mhurron was getting at, because otherwise we're left with two mutually exclusive statements and supported with "they're nothing alike!", as if I were supposed to just agree based purely on that.

[Murphie]

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He isn't implying anything. You're the one that keeps trying to make the comparison.

If you insist on that comparison, I'll say this.

Illegal immigrants aren't required for an economy to function, but they are currently a key part of ours. Unfortunate, but true. It would take the US a long time to wean itself off that sort of cheap labor.

RMT is not a key function of the MMO economy. It can function perfectly fine without RMT. They do not provide any sort of beneficial service.

[jwalton]

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He isn't implying anything. You're the one that keeps trying to make the comparison.

Pay attention, because this is important. I used comparison, he used contrast. He stated that the two are nothing alike, telling me that I'm wrong. Considering he had only two sentences following his belief that they're nothing alike, the only thing that's left IS implication. If there's nothing implied, then he's a horrible writer because you don't argue a point unless you have support. After all, if he didn't imply that illegal immigration is somehow required, then that would mean he agrees with me. That would make his post contradictory, now wouldn't it?

RMT is not a key function of the MMO economy. It can function perfectly fine without RMT. They do not provide any sort of beneficial service.

Bull. Final Fantasy XI is an excellent example, as RMT played a key part in the game for quite some time. Like them or not, they integrated themselves as much as any illegal immigrant in the US economy. They stocked the auction houses with a large quantity of tradeskill items and offered a service that many people took advantage of. IGE didn't become successful from a lack of business, that's for sure. When the cracking down on RMTs started to really take off on FFXI, the in-game economy was initially devastated. The value of gil was completely changed practically overnight, and it took awhile for it to recover. You can't tell me otherwise, because there was a great deal of complaining about it on every Final Fantasy XI forum months ago.

The same scenario would happen to the US economy if we removed illegal immigrants. The change would be jarring to the economy, but it would eventually recover, because illegal immigrants are not a requirement.

[Murphie]

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Pay attention, because this is important. I used comparison, he used contrast. He stated that the two are nothing alike, telling me that I'm wrong. Considering he had only two sentences following his belief that they're nothing alike, the only thing that's left IS implication. If there's nothing implied, then he's a horrible writer because you don't argue a point unless you have support. After all, if he didn't imply that illegal immigration is somehow required, then that would mean he agrees with me. That would make his post contradictory, now wouldn't it?

Are you able to make your point without being a condescending prick about it? Just curious, based on your responses to folks in this thread.

I can't tell you what Mhurron's innermost thoughts are on this subject. But I can tell you that the length of his post is irrelevant here. He made his point - that the two are nothing alike. He doesn't need to expand on that, because you're the one that keeps pushing the immigrant line. That's your crusade, not his. His response to your theory isn't some sort of implicit agreement that it's even a valid line of thought, much less something he actually believes.

Bull. Final Fantasy XI is an excellent example, as RMT played a key part in the game for quite some time. Like them or not, they integrated themselves as much as any illegal immigrant in the US economy. They stocked the auction houses with a large quantity of tradeskill items and offered a service that many people took advantage of. IGE didn't become successful from a lack of business, that's for sure. When the cracking down on RMTs started to really take off on FFXI, the in-game economy was initially devastated. The value of gil was completely changed practically overnight, and it took awhile for it to recover. You can't tell me otherwise, because there was a great deal of complaining about it on every Final Fantasy XI forum months ago.

The same scenario would happen to the US economy if we removed illegal immigrants. The change would be jarring to the economy, but it would eventually recover, because illegal immigrants are not a requirement.

Yes, because the problems that they had created were fixing themselves. The economy in FFXI can function just fine without RMT. If RMT aren't there to offer up tradeskill items, then players will fill that need. As it is, they usually don't, because the cost/benefit ratio was completely fucked by the RMT. RMT aren't providing anything that isn't already being provided by players, save for gil for real money, which is against the rules anyway.

The fact remains, however, that this issue really has nothing to do with immigrants. I'm not sure why you keep harping on it.