Sony shafts Europe on PS3 (again)

[jwalton]

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Mmm... no, I think Microsoft has the crown for most broken consoles. Just HOW many Xbox 360s did they have to repair last year after their update that turned virtually every Xbox 360 into oversized white doorstops?
Welcome to Microsoft's version of Hell - The Red Circle of Death
Granted, at least they did offer to replace them all for free, but when the mere phrase "Red Circle of Death" leaves psychological scars on every 360 owner you meet, you know you have a serious problem.
Icemage

And Sony's PlayStation 2 launch units had been just as notorious for breaking down, enough that a class action lawsuit was filed against Sony. The biggest difference between the two companies is that Microsoft replaced defective launch units for free, and all current Xbox 360's warranties were extended to a year at no cost to the consumer.
Regarding backwards compatibility, this is just another one of those empty promises Sony likes to make to sucker in consumers. They rode all over Microsoft about the 360's limited backwards compatibility, and now that they're in the spotlight, they can't deliver. Kind of like how they rode all over Microsoft on how they'd show the world how to do a real worldwide launch, then they botched that up too. "Hey guys, we're going to have all these great features! Just not right now, but later! Maybe! But we promise it'll be superior to our competition!"
Smells like PlayStation 2 "replacing my home PC" all over again.

[Pai Pai Master]

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I don't really see what the problem is there. Sony did deliver on backwards compatibility. Every single game in my 100+ title library works perfectly. People are just assuming that shifting to software emulation automatically means that only 20 of my games would work.

I didn't own any Xbox games, but I don't plan on buying any because the only ones I want are still incompatible on the 360. Until Sony makes the change and we can see exactly how well it works and how well they handle firmware updates to fix games, I'd recommend not making assumptions.

As for failure rate, I have personally noticed a much larger number of my friends complaining of broken-down 360s than I ever did broken-down PS2s. Most PS2 problems came a couple years after launch, whereas people have been sending back dead 360 units practically since launch.

[Raydeus]

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All three platforms go out with a bang at the end of 2007, but the PS3 has the biggest long-term potential, with guaranteed bigsellers like Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Monster Hunter 3 (Monster Hunter 2 Portable just sold 500,000 units in Japan on its first day, sold through all units shipped), and Resident Evil 5, backed up by eagerly awaited Resistance 2, White Knight Story and Tekken 6 set for 2008. God of War 3 might even make a 2008 release. It's still a long way to come, but the PS3 is the platform with the biggest announced titles in 2008. This generation is the strongest we'll ever see, in my opinion, and anyone foreseeing a lack of titles for any of them in the future is strongly mistaken.

Now that's what I'm betting on with the PS3.

[jwalton]

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Until Sony makes the change and we can see exactly how well it works and how well they handle firmware updates to fix games, I'd recommend not making assumptions.

Begging your pardon but, I'd recommend taking your own advice regarding assumptions when you make commentary such as:

BC could be anywhere from 30%-90% perfect at EU launch, but Sony will get it as near to perfection as they can.

I think we both know where you pulled those numbers from.

As for failure rate, I have personally noticed a much larger number of my friends complaining of broken-down 360s than I ever did broken-down PS2s. Most PS2 problems came a couple years after launch, whereas people have been sending back dead 360 units practically since launch.

And it's quite the opposite from my experience. Of course, it really doesn't matter since the 360 units are replaced for free whereas the PS2 units were not. This is just one of the many differences between the two companies.

Oh and, LOL.

[Pai Pai Master]

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My apologies. They could be anywhere from 0%-100% compatible. Regardless, projecting an estimated percentage is a little different from declaring a failure to deliver before the event actually occurs, particularly with strong evidence that it won't be the case.

And replacing a vast number of consoles for free? How good can that be good for business? PS2 units were under warranty for a year and people knew that. The service may not have been as good as Microsoft has proven with their replacement program, but the difference is that Sony probably didn't have to replace nearly as many consoles in the first year that Microsoft has. What's gonna happen when that extended one-year warranty ends? If people are afraid of electronics dying out, they should purchase extended store warranties.

[Rostum]

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When it comes down to it, I'd still rather be getting the same hardware that everyone else got. Though, if they can be 100% positive we get the same compatibility, or even better, then I'm alright with it (especially if it cuts costs down).

And yeah, I've had my PS2 since FFX was released. Still going really strong, never had any problems with it.

[jwalton]

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Edit: Nevermind, I'm dropping the argument, as it's stupid.

[Pai Pai Master]

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It wasn't worth Microsoft's time or money because compared to its competition, the Xbox was a failure. Most of the games that the general amount of people want have been made compatible, but doing so is a much greater undertaking with something like the PS2. The PS2 has one of the largest libraries of titles and from their success with hardware-based BC and the extent to which they worked to perfect it, I can feel hopeful that they'll be the same way with software-based BC.

And I'm not sure if your information is correct, because my launch-day PS2 was under warranty for one year. I know my PlayStation was not, however. Either way, it worked perfectly since the day I bought it to the day I sold it, so my personal history with Sony consoles has been positive. My 360's held up surprisingly well considering what I've heard, so hopefully the latest models are of good quality.

[Jarre]

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Yet again were into the PS3 vs XBOX360 vs WII

All 3 have their merits, all 3 have their disadvantages, and all 3 offer a unique thing.

My friend bought a 360 cost him £249 ($485) with 2 games and 2 controllers & 20gb drive, he then had to fork out another £130 ($253.5) for the HD drive plus another £30 ($58.5) for a decent HDMI cable to his samsung LCD HD Tv. total cost £409 ($797)

considering the PS3 is to be £400 for the 20gb version (last sony Uk price estimate) with blu ray and a controller + HDMi leads. the price difference between the 2 is close to the same.

Only the WII can say you get everything cheaper, but I have never been a fan of nintendos games, i am a graphics freak so the xbox360 an PS3 ae more my cup of tea.

Its up to what game you want to play and what you want the console to do rather than the pointless arguments that this has sold more so is better like that video posted. a couple of posts up. will i buy any? Well only the PS3 solely for FF13 when it comes out here in the next 3 years, by that time console prices should be affordable!

[Pai Pai Master]

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The 20GB PS3 won't be available in Europe (a lot of stores here don't even carry it anymore). The 60GB version comes in at 425GBP.

[Vyuru]

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Well only the PS3 solely for FF13 when it comes out here in the next 3 years, by that time console prices should be affordable!

Hehehe, that's my stance on it too And besides, it sounds like the PS3 is still kind of under development with all of it's updates and all, so any bugs that might be there should be worked out by then.

Under development might not be the best phrase, let's just say it's not 100% finished and they are still ironing out the kinks in the system from what I've heard.

[Telera]

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Monster Hunter 3 (Monster Hunter 2 Portable just sold 500,000 units in Japan on its first day, sold through all units shipped)

You mean like how they more or less let us assume we were getting MH2 and then finally said, 'No way. But we haven't forgotten you, we promise. We'll just give you MH:Freedom2.'

MH: Frontier? For the PC? In Beta in Japan. Will we ever see it? Talk from members of the staff at CoA points to a fat 'No one knows.'

I'll believe we're getting another MH that isn't handheld when I'm holding it in my hands. Until then, I'm going to keep going on the theory that Capcom doesn't like to tell us shit that can be taken for granted.

Besides, I love MH, but that, plus all the FF and KH in the world isn't enough for me to buy a HDTV and a PS3. Upfront cost: too much for three titles. Check back with me in three years. Because if it's cheaper, then I will buy one. But I'm waiting it out for a while first.

Now, Monster Hunter: Frontier, if we get it, yes. I'm also excited about Dynasty Warriors: BB.

[Jarre]

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The 20GB PS3 won't be available in Europe (a lot of stores here don't even carry it anymore). The 60GB version comes in at 425GBP.

Thanks for that Pai, just shows that when you put all the HD kit together on the Xbox360 it is nearly the same price as a PS3, so the old talk of PS3 is going to be miles more expensive than the xbox360 is a load of bollocks.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Not to mention the overpriced 360 accessories, which I hated forking over money for. Wireless Network Adapter $99.99, which is built into the PS3. 40GB less HD space and no chance to upgrade. And with the 360 20GB HDD at $99.99, how much would a 60GB drive cost? I didn't like the 360's wireless headset and it was something nuts like $69.99, when I just use the bluetooth headset from my phone for my PS3. Non-proprietary accessories are a godsend from Sony.

It's unfortunate because I'm really starting to enjoy my decision to pick up a 360 and I'm wondering why it took me this long, but I ended up spending almost as much on my 360 than I did on my PS3, and I didn't even touch the HD-DVD drive. I really don't get why the price of the PS3 turns so many people off when it really does include everything you need, whereas the price of the 360 starts out smaller but gets much higher as you add the things you need. I bought my Premium 360 at $399, wireless network adapter, wireless headset, charge cable, and Xbox Live subscription and the total came to over $599 before the extra controllers and charge cables. I think the 360's worth it because of the superior library just as much as I think the PS3 and Wii are worth it for their advantages, but I don't feel phased by the PS3's price when (and people are going to kill me for paraphrasing Kaz Hirai) it's a high price but a massive value for what you get.

As for Monster Hunter, Capcom handled the distribution of the first game to the US poorly. We got Monster Hunter, yeah, but studios generally do'nt care to publish the minor updates to any series every time it comes out (see: Guilty Gear) Monster Hunter Portable/Freedom 2 does come out here this fall though, and I'm excited for that. The first one sorely lacked online play so it'll be definitely worth the buy now. Capcom's shifting their focus to Western gamers so there's an extremely high chance we'll get Monster Hunter 3 here. And 3 years is a great time to wait, because just at the end of this year, the PS3 will have the same extremely diverse and strong library its predecessors were known for.

[Vyuru]

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I really don't get why the price of the PS3 turns so many people off when it really does include everything you need, whereas the price of the 360 starts out smaller but gets much higher as you add the things you need.

Oh, I know about the price gauging on the Xbox accessories, and it is yet another reason that I am turned off by the Xbox 360, however I just mainly stick with the, it has no games that really interest me as the main reason I won't get one.

I'll gripe about the price on the PS3 but at least it comes with what you need to play games on it.