More PS3 problems

[Mhurron]

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And, it's STILL a console. There is no Word Processing,

If you were so inclined you could run the PS3 (and with some digging a PS2 and with some work an XBox) as a general purpose computer.

[Vyuru]

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If you were so inclined you could run the PS3 (and with some digging a PS2 and with some work an XBox) as a general purpose computer.

I see the PS3 has USB ports, but I'm not sure if those are for memory cards or if they are for extra game controllers and stuff, but if it does read memory cards, with the memory cards and removable hard drives that are available now, couldn't you just install whatever you needed (OP system, word processors, stuff like that) onto say a 40-80 gigabyte removable hard drive and hook it up to your PS3?

I'm not sure how big operating systems are, so you might be able to go with a smaller drive.

[Mhurron]

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I see the PS3 has USB ports, but I'm not sure if those are for memory cards or if they are for extra game controllers and stuff, but if it does read memory cards, with the memory cards and removable hard drives that are available now, couldn't you just install whatever you needed (OP system, word processors, stuff like that) onto say a 40-80 gigabyte removable hard drive and hook it up to your PS3?
I'm not sure how big operating systems are, so you might be able to go with a smaller drive.

PS3 supports Linux/PPC natively. If you can find it there was also a Linux kit for the PS2. With some modification, the XBox will run Linux as well.

[Murphie]

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I'll get a PS3 at some point, sure. But I'm not going to pay some ridiculous launch price for it on eBay or wait in line for a product that isn't going anywhere any time soon.

I'm perfectly happy with strolling into a store a few months from now and buying a PS3 off the shelf without having to wait in line or subject myself to ridicule, since it doesn't matter to me how many other people play a game before I do. It's just not worth it to me, but if it's worth it to someone else to stand in line for days in the freezing rain, or pay thousands of dollars online to purchase a gaming console so they can have it right now right now right now right now, then that's cool.

[WishMaster3K]

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LoL, it's 2006, and Murphie doesn't have a PS2...

[Murphie]

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Dang it! I knew I missed something in that post. XD

[bungiefan]

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FFXI works fine on the PS3. Look here.

Ok, so it works on US systems, according to one person who hasn't posted a video to show it actually working... It wasn't working on Japanese systems when they launched a few days earlier, even according to the Japanese PlayStation.com site.

I'm not sure how big operating systems are, so you might be able to go with a smaller drive.

There is no standard size to an operating system. Linux could be run froma 3.5" floppy if you made a basic enough install for an old enough computer. PS2 Linux is about 2-3 GB for a full install. Windows XP wants about 4 GB, but part of that is for a page file to use for virtual memory. Mac OS 7 was about 100 MB. I can install Mac OS 9 and use only about 500 MB. Generally, OSes take up more disc space with time, though ones like Linux can be pretty small with the ability to omit OS functions you'll never use. I would expect PS3 Linux to be 3 GB or less though.

[Macht]

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Ok, so it works on US systems, according to one person who hasn't posted a video to show it actually working... It wasn't working on Japanese systems when they launched a few days earlier, even according to the Japanese PlayStation.com site.
There is no standard size to an operating system. Linux could be run froma 3.5" floppy if you made a basic enough install for an old enough computer. PS2 Linux is about 2-3 GB for a full install. Windows XP wants about 4 GB, but part of that is for a page file to use for virtual memory. Mac OS 7 was about 100 MB. I can install Mac OS 9 and use only about 500 MB. Generally, OSes take up more disc space with time, though ones like Linux can be pretty small with the ability to omit OS functions you'll never use. I would expect PS3 Linux to be 3 GB or less though.

There was a software release on Nov. 17th 2006, likely that update enabled PS3 to play FFXI now. It's a very recent update and fits in the fessible range of the guys report of FFXI working, along with the older report of such games not working from the Japanese PlayStation.com site. Dates is a huge thing to pay attention to here now since the PS3 has upgradeable firmware.

For OSs its size grows as there is more technology to cover. It grows even wilder as it attempts to support multiple variations of the same technology in which your system may never see. My computer right now if I stripped the OS out of the supports I know it will not need I can compress 3GB Linux to run with full supports I need on a 700MB CD, it still only taking like 300MB in that. Most of the bloating to an OS is putting the extra compatibility stuff. Another OS I had dabbiled with was BeOS. I had an installer feature that looked at my system and only installed what was actually needed.

That operating system in the end fit on a 3.5" Floppy and was able to do networking, printing, scanning, and all the other GUI operations. It did strip out a major portion of monitoring and reporting functions so I had primitive knowledge of what was going on behind the GUI, other then that it did everything else just fine.

[Celeal]

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IMHO, I value game content over the graphics. I still prefer playing PC games.

Look at the progress on video games, for example:

MUDs in the 1970s, first computer games, follow by PONG, then led to the birth of Atari and start of video game/arcade business.

In 1993, the first 3D shooter game, DOOM, released by Id software for PC running on DOS. There is no 3D graphic card or accelators 3D for video gaming at the time. That was a major breakthrough. Then later, there are better 3D shooter game like Quake, Half-Life, Unreal, and started the reality of 3D gaming.

Later we have real time strategy games like Starcrafts, another break through for network/internet gaming. It is originated from PC. Then we have 3D shooter games over network like Rainbow Six, Counterstrike, etc.

And then, we have MMO, another leap in internet gaming, also starts from PC.

Look at the trend, most of the major leap in video gaming comes from PC.

Back in the old days, console game had introduced RPG, fighting games... which was very creative. Nowadays console game is all about graphics, graphics and more graphics... If we strip out all the graphical content from most console games, I bet the rest of the stuff can be implemented on an average PC.

The cutting edge hardware in PS3 cannot substitute imagination and determination. Look at DOOM running on DOS, for example. It proves that if you are smart enough, you can implement it on a PC. The next breakthrough is going to be delivered from PC games, not from the console games.

P.S.
As for Blu-ray or HD DVD... I would wait for Blu-ray rom/burner or HD DVD rom/burner on computers (for reasonable price, practical use, etc). Those new generation disc ofter huge storage, which is nice. However, for gaming it is a nice bonus, which is optional at this time, not essential. For movies and video, I concern more about the codec like H.264, not about the disc space.

[Icemage]

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I don't think either PC or console formats have a corner on the market for innovation. Heck, even arcade formats have innovated; the concept of physical-action based games originated in the arcades, from the original Punch Out! to Dance Dance Revolution (and to clarify, beat-em-up games like Street Fighter also originated from the arcade format).

I find it difficult to support the claim that PC format is necessarily the most innovative.

Look at IGN's list of the 20 best selling for October, for instance:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/746/746038p1.html

The Sims 2 Pets (Electronic Arts)
World Of Warcraft (Vivendi)
Battlefield 2142 (Electronic Arts)
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn Of War -- Dark Crusade (THQ)
Flight Simulator X Deluxe (Microsoft)
The Sims 2 Glamour Life Stuff (Electronic Arts)
Company of Heroes (THQ)
Paws & Claws: Pet Vet (Valusoft)
The Sims 2 (Electronic Arts)
Flight Simulator X (Microsoft)
Guild Wars Nightfall (NCsoft)
Seaworld Adventure Parks Tycoon 2 (Activision)
Desperate Housewives (Buena Vista Games)
Civilization IV (2K Games)
Age Of Empires III: WarChiefs (Microsoft)
Guild Wars Nightfall: Collector's Edition (NCsoft)
Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy (LucasArts)
Age Of Empires III (Microsoft)
SimCity 4 Deluxe (Electronic Arts)
The Sims 2 Nightlife (Electronic Arts)

What do you notice about these titles?

Not counting WoW, all but one (Company of Heroes) is an expansion or sequel on an existing franchise. Hardly what I'd consider a bastion of innovation.


Icemage

[kuu]

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That's because PC markets are extremely tight lined profit margins.

You bet a lot on the line when you make PC games, so you always stick to the "sequel" comfort line.

Let's face it, PC (not console) are extremely narrow, and having to be bagged with a lot of support issues.

PCs demand more and but will pay for less. The high end will only buy for graphics that can utlized their rigs, while the majority of the market are in the low to mid end.

Add to the fact almost all of them want online because it's a feature on the PC, which they have to support themselves, with massively different configurations.

It's no wonder they are so alien to console makers, in which you expect to sell, even if not well, over a period of time.

PC games tend to fade and fade fast. If you don't hit the market hard within the first 6months, you're screwed.

Conoles scales a lot. It's more forgiving of low budget games that rose to stardem(disgaea), while also letting the big stay big(ff12).

[Vyuru]

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As for Blu-ray or HD DVD... I would wait for Blu-ray rom/burner or HD DVD rom/burner on computers

Actually what I didn't realise was that there are different types of lasers in use now. There is the blu-ray, a red laser, and another one that I can't remember. All do about the same thing, but there is no standard just yet. I think I would wait until there IS a standard before getting a PS3.

It might a be bargain as a blu-ray disk player, but if the standard goes to the red laser type, then I'm not really interested in playing sony only disks, mostly because video stores will carry whatever is in common use.

[Macht]

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I don't think either PC or console formats have a corner on the market for innovation. Heck, even arcade formats have innovated; the concept of physical-action based games originated in the arcades, from the original Punch Out! to Dance Dance Revolution (and to clarify, beat-em-up games like Street Fighter also originated from the arcade format).
I find it difficult to support the claim that PC format is necessarily the most innovative.
Look at IGN's list of the 20 best selling for October, for instance:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/746/746038p1.html
What do you notice about these titles?
Not counting WoW, all but one (Company of Heroes) is an expansion or sequel on an existing franchise. Hardly what I'd consider a bastion of innovation.
Icemage

WoW is pretty much a sequel to the Warcraft line of games, similar to FFXI is to the Final Fantasy line.

Titles can draw people in, the innovation overlooked though is the changes or effeciencies created to the engines. Also fittingly called recycling, most of it may be the same old code but areas or parts of it the creators may of realized a better method. When a good strong core design is created in software that is flexible a hardware version can arise from it to create more innovative things.

It's baby steps but it's still steps none the less, same that the PC makes or any other technology. Really see it that any of them has the potential to be innovative PS3 and it's CBE technology has already been showing that possibility. Now story development to a lot of games I can agree as it gets more graphics focus a lot of companies start forgeting about the story and game mechanics which are pretty big aspects.

In this generation of games one of the big innovation was graphic based though. With more processing power so they could create more realistic look of character tiring or other such effects. As well as seemless gameplay, the more developed games were the person can get right to the game without a loading screen the better. Those were the big focuses, may not seem like much to many but achieve something like is quite huge.

It's a huge focus my company constantly struggles to achieve with the massive amounts of data we handle. The faster we can get to it with less waiting time the more powerful.

Actually what I didn't realise was that there are different types of lasers in use now. There is the blu-ray, a red laser, and another one that I can't remember. All do about the same thing, but there is no standard just yet. I think I would wait until there IS a standard before getting a PS3.
It might a be bargain as a blu-ray disk player, but if the standard goes to the red laser type, then I'm not really interested in playing sony only disks, mostly because video stores will carry whatever is in common use.

Blu-Ray and the Toshiba HD DVD are both blue lasers, not red. It's blue because the laser can be honed to a finer beam then red. Last I recall Blu-Ray had around 75% of the movie industries support. This time Sony doesn't seem to be making the mistake they did with Betamax, kind of looks like it might be a tough fight for Toshiba HD DVD to win unless the fact that they named their's HD DVD draws the less informed consumers in greater numbers.

Pretty sad I think that the naming comfort would be the possibility to actually beat the technologicaly superior Blu-Ray. That would just be sad I think the technologicaly superior being beaten by a naming comfort, that's just a far worse way to be beat then due to how the proprietary design of Betamax was.

[Kafeen]

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Infomation on installing another OS on the PS3 : http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html

[WishMaster3K]

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Infomation on installing another OS on the PS3 : http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html

OSX in PS3, here I come.

STI (Team behind the Cell processor) is Sony Toshiba IBM, right?

That means that even an Intel-Based OS might not even work on the PS3?

T_T

Windows Vista then? LoL (Imagine if the PS3 was Vista Capable....)