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[Macht]

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And you can go out and play the latest games on that? At the resolutions the PS3 can? In order for your desktop to do everything a PS3/360/Wii will do (play the latest games for the next 5 or so years) you will spend much more then $600 on a computer after the initial purchase price.
Especially right now. In the next 5 years games will being to move to requiring DirectX 10. Which means you will have to buy Vista. Which for most people is going to mean significant upgrades if not simply a whole new system.

Yeah, when programs start requiring DirectX 10 and Vista that'll probably be the cut-off were many of the older systems are going to die out. Then it'll be systems with like 1.5 GHz or 2 GHz that'll be on the bottom requirements.

[eticket109]

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Say what you will, but after spending 34 hours in the freezing cold and rain outside my Target and $850 later, I for one, and completely satisfied.

Congratulations!

[silentsteel]

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Mwuahaha *dies* I was just went to look at how much the PS3s are sellin on Ebay... The latest one is here
Course if you dont want to bother checking it =P $2,560 Over four times the origional cost of the PS3.

[Macht]

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Mwuahaha *dies* I was just went to look at how much the PS3s are sellin on Ebay... The latest one is here
Course if you dont want to bother checking it =P $2,560 Over four times the origional cost of the PS3.

Surprised E-Bay allowed that bid to go. I mean you are suppose to have the item before you can start any sort of bidding for it.

[Telera]

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And you can go out and play the latest games on that? At the resolutions the PS3 can? In order for your desktop to do everything a PS3/360/Wii will do (play the latest games for the next 5 or so years) you will spend much more then $600 on a computer after the initial purchase price.

Especially right now. In the next 5 years games will being to move to requiring DirectX 10. Which means you will have to buy Vista. Which for most people is going to mean significant upgrades if not simply a whole new system.

Well, seeing as how only three games out of everything 'next gen' appeal to me, I have no qualms about stopping with this generation for good. I don't really like PC gaming to begin with, and PC only games usually fly under my gaming radar. Don't care to upgrade this machine more than I have, it does all I need it to do, which is post on forums and write stories. ^^ Oh, and play a lil music. If a mere game platform starts pushing PC base prices (BASE prices. Before big RAM/Vid card/Software upgrades) that's pretty much asinine. The whole point of console gaming has always been to be more affordable w/o the upgrading hassles of a PC and the 'will it/won't it run' fears. The older I get, the less the new games appeal to me. They're all quickly becoming hackneyed and I'd be content sitting here with my 'second gen' triarch of consoles for the rest of my days. When they die, then I guess I'll get around to being the author of those books I always wanted to be. :p Sounds like a fair trade. My PC system plays Galaxies without hiccups, or did before I quit it, and it also runs the only game I ever care to own on it, KotOR. So the Vista/DX 10 thing, a non-issue for me. I guess I'm becoming less of a hardcore gamer girl as I get older. Eh. It happens.

On the flip, as much as I hate alot of how Nintendo runs their show, I may have to go back to just playing their platform, but if not, I see many books in my future. Or handhelds. PSP and DS. Wii is affordable and the controllers, while a turn off at first, now kind of intrigue me. I might have to hold off on getting Zelda and get it for the Wii just to see how hit is. I've always been someone to make an effort to get the majority of consoles out, even if it took a while, but this is one I am not saddened to say I'll have to pass until it's at least $400 if not lower, and by then, maybe it'll have something I care about on it. Like FF13. Though if I get lucky, that may not be PS3 exclusive meaning I'll never have to bother. Not that I'd bother for just one game.

That, or again, the book-authoring thing.

[Macht]

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Well, seeing as how only three games out of everything 'next gen' appeal to me, I have no qualms about stopping with this generation for good. I don't really like PC gaming to begin with, and PC only games usually fly under my gaming radar. Don't care to upgrade this machine more than I have, it does all I need it to do, which is post on forums and write stories. ^^ Oh, and play a lil music. If a mere game platform starts pushing PC base prices (BASE prices. Before big RAM/Vid card/Software upgrades) that's pretty much asinine. The whole point of console gaming has always been to be more affordable w/o the upgrading hassles of a PC and the 'will it/won't it run' fears. The older I get, the less the new games appeal to me. They're all quickly becoming hackneyed and I'd be content sitting here with my 'second gen' triarch of consoles for the rest of my days. When they die, then I guess I'll get around to being the author of those books I always wanted to be. :p Sounds like a fair trade. My PC system plays Galaxies without hiccups, or did before I quit it, and it also runs the only game I ever care to own on it, KotOR. So the Vista/DX 10 thing, a non-issue for me. I guess I'm becoming less of a hardcore gamer girl as I get older. Eh. It happens.
On the flip, as much as I hate alot of how Nintendo runs their show, I may have to go back to just playing their platform, but if not, I see many books in my future. Or handhelds. PSP and DS. Wii is affordable and the controllers, while a turn off at first, now kind of intrigue me. I might have to hold off on getting Zelda and get it for the Wii just to see how hit is. I've always been someone to make an effort to get the majority of consoles out, even if it took a while, but this is one I am not saddened to say I'll have to pass until it's at least $400 if not lower, and by then, maybe it'll have something I care about on it. Like FF13. Though if I get lucky, that may not be PS3 exclusive meaning I'll never have to bother. Not that I'd bother for just one game.
That, or again, the book-authoring thing.

The affordable part is still true, the thing with PS3 is that this is cutting-edge technology that they are trying to make affordable. Unfortunatly it still carries a big price tag as a result. I mean look at it seriously the PS2 when it was released there were computers capable of 2GHz the PS2 is only 400 MHz that's like '96 technology. Same when XBox came out it was 700 MHz but computers reached 2.5-3GHz.

Now it's flipped XBox 360 first was the more powerful system out, it beat the crap out of processing power vs. the most recent computer. It's also running a Triple Core which is something non-existant on computers (Were it's power comes from by being about 15% more powerful the most recent computer). A computer running this would easily be carrying about a $1,999.99 price tag and the XBox released it for $400.00.

Now you got the PS3 with CBE, Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, and HD-TV of 1080p capability. FYI, a monitor that can even do a 1080p signal isn't even out yet or very few if you do find them. The CBE technology now makes the PS3 more powerful then any system out and by a larger margin then the 15% the XBox 360 did. Then you see already with Blu-Ray which just a player doing only that goes for $1,000.00.

When you look at the prices for the PS3 vs. it's components it's really a very low price. I mean the Blu-Ray is easily $1,000.00, WiFi component is about $70.00, 2.5" HDD for 20GB about $150 and for 60 GB about $350, the HD-TV components is like $80.00, and can't judge the CBE price because nothing to compare it to the closest there is would be the dual core systems and those are like $200.00.

In total that's around $1,700.00 for the system yet the PS3 is $499.99 - $599.99. That's very cheap for being cutting-edge technology.

[jcmeadows]

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Well I have to say that I am one of those who is not getting a PS3 anytime soon because of the price. I think that sony has really stepped out on a ledge with the price. Hardcore gamers will pay any price for a game system but parents are not going to slap down $500 to $600 for a new system, $60 per game, and $50 for a extra controller. Plus there are not any games that make me want to spend $600 for the system. I did buy a 360 at the first of the year because there were games out there that made me want to go out and spend the cash.I think the real winner could be the Wii. Nintendo going the route of game inavation and cheaper hardware. The thing that could make the difference is if the rumors are true about the 360 price drop. $199 for the core, $299 for the HDD version and $399 for a bundle with the HD-DVD player. If the price drop is true, sony would be forced to drop there price or that a fall.

[kuu]

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It's always like this.

I call it the benchwarmers, people who bash the price and features, and complain, but when in reality, is simply not part of the market.

The sold out status clearly disproves them, of wether a product is good or not.

It's for every product not just ps3.

Earily adopters are just that. To pay to be first, willing to wait in line for hours to days.

Until it hits a point where sony can't sell ps3 and force to lower price, the benchwarmers will stay benchwarmers.

Early adopters/hard core traditionally are the driving force, and should be praised.

They fix bugs, drive up production, lower prices, and gain acceptance. Almost every technology have been perfected on the backs of early adopters.

[Macht]

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It's always like this.
I call it the benchwarmers, people who bash the price and features, and complain, but when in reality, is simply not part of the market.
The sold out status clearly disproves them, of wether a product is good or not.
It's for every product not just ps3.
Earily adopters are just that. To pay to be first, willing to wait in line for hours to days.
Until it hits a point where sony can't sell ps3 and force to lower price, the benchwarmers will stay benchwarmers.
Early adopters/hard core traditionally are the driving force, and should be praised.
They fix bugs, drive up production, lower prices, and gain acceptance. Almost every technology have been perfected on the backs of early adopters.

Agree on that, still find it annoying to hear people bashing early adopters though or bashing Sony for their pricing and totally ignoring the obvious.

[eticket109]

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The sold out status clearly disproves them

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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As for this:

Agree on that, still find it annoying to hear people bashing early adopters though or bashing Sony for their pricing and totally ignoring the obvious.

I just think its strange people want to buy something that not only fails to deliver on the promises made, but won't work properly with a year old 1080i HDTV and forces it into 480p.

I'm not big on all the HD Era/Next Gen crap, since I'm not a tech fetishist in the slightest, but I know what all the terminology means. I personally don't see the huge leap here for gaming, just the same games with prettier, more crisp visuals. But the early adoptors usually are into all of that that and this is a collective slap to the face for those that paid early. Not to mention those that waited in line for this thing, pre-order slips in-hand, only to be turned away.

And to top it all off, PS3 can't play FFXI right now? Does that mean they're getting around to it later? Never, perhaps? I hope they're not throwing this problem in SE's lap to fix, it's Sony's problem. Last time Sony did that, SE started making more Nintendo games and put FFXI on 360.

[bungiefan]

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PCs are worst when it comes to amount of money spent on them, a decent computer goes way beyond the $1500.00 mark and become obsolete in less than 3 years (maybe I should say less than 2 years). So you have to keep upgrading parts or building a new rig every couple of years which will add way more than $600.00 (and that's just the hardware).
The PS3 is cheaper that your average PC and will have a life of at least 5 years or more thanks to the capability of updating the software. You also get backwards compatibility with a ton of PS2 and PS games and compatibility issues can be fixed via patches.
On PC you can't really play a 5 year old game unless you make a partition with an older OS, and even then your current hardware might not even work with older OS. That's the case with me and one of my favorite PC games (Star Trek Armada ) so I'd have to build a new computer (with old hardware/OS) just to play that game and other older games.
So, while 600 bucks (or even 1k if you are right and the next next-gen of consoles costs that) is still a bit more than console gamers are used to pay it's still much less than what PC gaming costs even building your own rig.

You don't need a whole seperate machine for old games that only work with old OSes. Virtual PC or such software can usually solve the problem for much less money.

The thing is, I don't play games on a computer much. I don't spend money to buy a computer up to the current gaming standards, and when I do play computer games, I tend to play ones that are from the 80s and 90s. I prefer a console for stability, but I'm not going to spend $600 on a console when there's no games out that I find worth owning, and I'm still going to find it hard to spend that much money when there are games out. I almost never spend more than $300 at a time on anything. Heck, I got my PS2 for $250 US when I finally felt it was worth it to get one.

[Pai Pai Master]

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And to top it all off, PS3 can't play FFXI right now? Does that mean they're getting around to it later? Never, perhaps? I hope they're not throwing this problem in SE's lap to fix, it's Sony's problem. Last time Sony did that, SE started making more Nintendo games and put FFXI on 360.

Did anyone expect PS3 to be able to play FFXI right off the bat? I didn't expect them to ever make it playable, but they are.

There's absolutely no way you can criticize Sony on backwards compatibility. With roughly 98% of titles 100% backwards compatible out of the box, they've obviously succeeded there.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, the PS3 is just as good as you make it out to be. If you let yourself get turned off by the price or get caught up in all this anti-Sony BS, then you're still going to hate (or pretend to) it.
No launch is perfect. The 360 launch was far from it, and the Wii launch will be just as imperfect, if not moreso. Honestly I think this is simply Sony's best launch ever, with pretty much 0 hardware issues being reported, and the only problems being the heavily overblown backwards compatibility errors and the understandable lack of 1080i-scaling games for non-720p HDTVs. While it is disappointing, hopefully Sony will do something about this soon in a firmware update.

I guess it really doesn't matter anymore. I have the most glorious box of love sitting right next to me and as long as it makes me happy, that's all that matters. It shoots rainbows.

[WishMaster3K]

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FFXI works fine on the PS3. Look here.

And to be honest, Macht, I respect your opinion, but at this stage in the game, people aren't going to change their minds. If it's not obvious the value you'll be getting by buying a PS3, then it's unlikely that the person will care any time soon.

But the fact that the PS3 can play FFXI in addition to all of it's bells and whistles...

And, it's STILL a console. There is no Word Processing, there are no graphics card updates, none of that...

The PS3 is pretty much the prime of Home entertainment. How hard is it to incorporate a simple browser into a network enabled console? You plug that PS3 into your HD television in your living room, and all of a sudden, you'll only need your computer to write term papers.

This is my take on it, and this is why I love the PS3. I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinions, because I could really care less. (lol...)

I like the idea of "Centralization," and having 5 devices that do 5 different things is a waste of outlets and a waste of time.


Now, when are they gonna start putting Cell processors into blenders so that I can make smoothies from my couch via Sixaxis?

[Vyuru]

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Now you got the PS3 with CBE, Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, and HD-TV of 1080p capability. FYI, a monitor that can even do a 1080p signal isn't even out yet or very few if you do find them. The CBE technology now makes the PS3 more powerful then any system out and by a larger margin then the 15% the XBox 360 did. Then you see already with Blu-Ray which just a player doing only that goes for $1,000.00.

Oh, I'm not saying that it isn't cheap for what it is. But let me put it this way.

I got a PS2 in the first month it came out, I waited out the initial rush to buy crowds and actually got kind of lucky that a store had one in the back that they had forgotten to put up front (I think the guy just wanted it for himself though...)

I mostly wanted a PS2 because DVDs were starting to be a big thing in video rental stores, at that time roughly 1/3rd of a video rental store were DVDs. Not only were they DVDs, but the DVDs had a whole ton of interesting features practically standard on them, commentaries, bloopers are almost always funny to see, and other odds and ends on them. A VHS tape only had the movie and some previews, this was a huge difference to me, one I was willing to pay more for.

If I did not have a PS2 and I was looking to get a DVD player/game console, the PS3 would look more attractive to me because I'm sure the blue disk will eventually take over the market much like DVDs replaced tapes, the only question is when will that happen? I'm guessing it's not going to be anytime soon.

I have to agree with WishMaster3K here,

If it's not obvious the value you'll be getting by buying a PS3, then it's unlikely that the person will care any time soon.

I just simply don't see the benefit of getting a PS3 right off the bat, the game graphics look awesome in the previews that I've seen, but I want to see what the games are like before I think of getting a PS3.

And honestly, it's not the price of the PS3 that puts me off so much, since I would get it mostly for gaming purposes I am concerned about the games it has. It seems like alot of the PS2 games can be completed in under 12 hours, sometimes in as little as 7 hours with me taking my time and doing all the side quests and working up all of my character's skills, and there is the issue of replayability, some games have it and some don't. I'm not willing to drop $50+ for a 10 hour game that may not have any replay value to it, no matter how good it is.