More PS3 problems

[Telera]

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My take on it all: Maybe in five years when BluRay tech is cheaper, the common public (outside of the gaming/technerd realm) will care. But as is, right now, people don't like paying $20 for DVD, much less whatever jacked up amount a BluRay disc will cost. $1k for a player? Hah, working in retail I can tell you this holiday season, people are *not* spending. They are holding tight to that money for some reason no one's quite worked out just yet.

And really, I don't care about those 'Producer Interviews' and what not on DVDs. No one watches those, and I don't need images in my movies so sharp that they cut my retinas, so I fail to see the point in it entirely. The only purpose to it would be in gaming, for movies DVD works just fine. I get this sneaking suspicion that it will end up like UMD. A massive flop in home video, a decent advance for gaming.

My one really major concern though, that trumps all the tech issues I have with it, is the pricetag. If this does well enough, the *next* generation of consoles will start pushing $1,000. And at that point, everyone in their right mind is going to just switch to PC. I love Sony to death, I defend the PSP from every griefer I can find, but I cannot support Sony here, I just can't. I really don't give a damn if they're 'losing money at this price.' So wait a few years until the tech you want to use is cheaper, that or find a way to be cutting edge without being expensive. Nintendo has done it. Sony has done it in the past. But I cannot support their gate-breaching the 1k mark for gaming consoles. As much of a gamer as I am, the day that happens, I'm finished. I'll play whatever I have of the 'older gen' until it falls apart and then I'll move on with life.

[KoukiRyu]

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Err, do you remember when DVD players originally came out? They were ridiculously expensive and no one really wanted to buy them yet. I feel that the same exact thing is going to happen with Blu-Ray, although it is kinda really soon for another media jump...but I feel that the same general thing is happening here, just a little more expensive.

And also it hasn't reached 1k yet. @_@ Plus, this thing is more powerful than a lot of PC's....a freaking -lot-. This thing is worth the $600 if you look at the specs, along with everything that you can do with it. I understand if you want a PC then you have a PC, but in this case, if you want a bad ass game console, then you're gonna have to dish out the money for it.

[Skoal]

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whatever jacked up amount a BluRay disc will cost

$24.99 @ Best Buy.

My roommate works Sunday-Thursday, so he had today off. One of his co-workers paid him 100 bucks to go sit in line to get his PS3.

[Raydeus]

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My take on it all: Maybe in five years when BluRay tech is cheaper, the common public (outside of the gaming/technerd realm) will care. But as is, right now, people don't like paying $20 for DVD, much less whatever jacked up amount a BluRay disc will cost. $1k for a player? Hah, working in retail I can tell you this holiday season, people are *not* spending. They are holding tight to that money for some reason no one's quite worked out just yet.

And really, I don't care about those 'Producer Interviews' and what not on DVDs. No one watches those, and I don't need images in my movies so sharp that they cut my retinas, so I fail to see the point in it entirely. The only purpose to it would be in gaming, for movies DVD works just fine. I get this sneaking suspicion that it will end up like UMD. A massive flop in home video, a decent advance for gaming.

Discs themselves are pretty much like standard DVD discs so their price wont go up much, maybe 5-10 bucks per disk, but the superior image quality (specially if you have the HD set to take advantage of it) is far better than a DVD.

Right now the expensive part are players, but as always, players (and burners maybe) will become aviable at a better price and will be much better in terms of functionality as time passes.

But you are right, for now the Blu-ray player is just a nice bonus (though a bit useless for now). For a game console that is far superior than many high priced PCs, just like DVD player was when the PS2 came out in Japan.

My one really major concern though, that trumps all the tech issues I have with it, is the pricetag. If this does well enough, the *next* generation of consoles will start pushing $1,000. And at that point, everyone in their right mind is going to just switch to PC. I love Sony to death, I defend the PSP from every griefer I can find, but I cannot support Sony here, I just can't. I really don't give a damn if they're 'losing money at this price.' So wait a few years until the tech you want to use is cheaper, that or find a way to be cutting edge without being expensive. Nintendo has done it. Sony has done it in the past. But I cannot support their gate-breaching the 1k mark for gaming consoles. As much of a gamer as I am, the day that happens, I'm finished. I'll play whatever I have of the 'older gen' until it falls apart and then I'll move on with life.

PCs are worst when it comes to amount of money spent on them, a decent computer goes way beyond the $1500.00 mark and become obsolete in less than 3 years (maybe I should say less than 2 years). So you have to keep upgrading parts or building a new rig every couple of years which will add way more than $600.00 (and that's just the hardware).

The PS3 is cheaper that your average PC and will have a life of at least 5 years or more thanks to the capability of updating the software. You also get backwards compatibility with a ton of PS2 and PS games and compatibility issues can be fixed via patches.

On PC you can't really play a 5 year old game unless you make a partition with an older OS, and even then your current hardware might not even work with older OS. That's the case with me and one of my favorite PC games (Star Trek Armada ) so I'd have to build a new computer (with old hardware/OS) just to play that game and other older games.

So, while 600 bucks (or even 1k if you are right and the next next-gen of consoles costs that) is still a bit more than console gamers are used to pay it's still much less than what PC gaming costs even building your own rig.

[Vyuru]

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PCs are worst when it comes to amount of money spent on them, a decent computer goes way beyond the $1500.00 mark and become obsolete in less than 3 years (maybe I should say less than 2 years). So you have to keep upgrading parts or building a new rig every couple of years which will add way more than $600.00 (and that's just the hardware).

Is that really the case with computers? I've been using the same computer since what... 2001? I got it to play FFXI on, and I needed a computer for myself besides my old Commador Amiga. Yes, I am olde skool.

So far the only thing to fail on me was the video card, which happened around January of this year. Otherwise it's still working fine ^^


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Oh, and the Amiga still works fine, and that's how old now? Which actually reminds me that I should see if I can make backups of my disks, those may crap out soon >.>

[Macht]

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PCs are worst when it comes to amount of money spent on them, a decent computer goes way beyond the $1500.00 mark and become obsolete in less than 3 years (maybe I should say less than 2 years). So you have to keep upgrading parts or building a new rig every couple of years which will add way more than $600.00 (and that's just the hardware).

Is that really the case with computers? I've been using the same computer since what... 2001? I got it to play FFXI on, and I needed a computer for myself besides my old Commador Amiga. Yes, I am olde skool.

So far the only thing to fail on me was the video card, which happened around January of this year. Otherwise it's still working fine ^^


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Oh, and the Amiga still works fine, and that's how old now? Which actually reminds me that I should see if I can make backups of my disks, those may crap out soon >.>

Actually the latest model of PCs are usually considered obsolette after 3 Years. So most of the premade PCs are already obsolette as you buy them. It doesn't mean that you can't use them, it just means that there is technology far better already around then they are.

Though Software wise most of it works for the systems that are way beyond obsolette so often that isn't an issue. The only part were this can present troubles is usually with games, when you play new releases of games on obsolette systems it'll often work moderatly, poorly, or not at all.

Otherwise I still have commodors that work just fine, along with a 186, 286, and 386 computer all still work. They can't play resent games at all it was fun forcing the 386 to try, it was able to load 1 frame every like 30 min. and eventually just crash.

Yeah, usually software wise systems can go like 15-20 years before none of the software will work with it at all.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Say what you will, but after spending 34 hours in the freezing cold and rain outside my Target and $850 later, I for one, and completely satisfied.

[Omniblast]

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Let me know when your POS computer can get these benchmarks and then we can talk.

[Vyuru]

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Let me know when your POS computer can get these benchmarks and then we can talk.

I am more than a little resentful of you calling my computer a POS, considering that it was a top of the line Dell model in it's time, and especially considering that I was asking a question regarding how quickly computers are outdated.

[Mhurron]

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Is that really the case with computers? I've been using the same computer since what... 2001?

And you can go out and play the latest games on that? At the resolutions the PS3 can? In order for your desktop to do everything a PS3/360/Wii will do (play the latest games for the next 5 or so years) you will spend much more then $600 on a computer after the initial purchase price.

Especially right now. In the next 5 years games will being to move to requiring DirectX 10. Which means you will have to buy Vista. Which for most people is going to mean significant upgrades if not simply a whole new system.

[Mhurron]

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I am more than a little resentful of you calling my computer a POS, considering that it was a top of the line Dell

If the shoe fits.

[Jei]

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http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/...ps3-215593.php

[Macht]

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You know looking at the PS3 the thing that caught my intrestest is a section about the PS3 allowing you to play it remotely via the PSP. Not using the PSP as a remote but actually playing through it, if you have it setup for it. I'm intrested to hear more on that. >.>

In case anyone was wondering what I ment: Remote Play

Says that the PS3 can actually feed the PSP it's screen info allowing for you to play a PS3 completly through the PSP. Intresting if it allows you take a game mid-play and continue it through the PSP while you're getting a bite or something.

[neighbortaru]

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Say what you will, but after spending 34 hours in the freezing cold and rain outside my Target and $850 later, I for one, and completely satisfied.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/11/17
bet pai pai was the one on the left

[Mhurron]

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Say what you will, but after spending 34 hours in the freezing cold and rain outside my Target and $850 later, I for one, and completely satisfied.

You're crazy.

You said I could say what I will.