Sony Masters Time Travel

[WishMaster3K]

Re: Sony Masters Time Travel

For some reason, this thread is not in my Subscribed list, and despite me replying to it, I can only view it if it's up in "New Posts" or if I go to the Video Game forum.

While I'd like to continue to conversation, this thread will probably die into obscurity, because I'm confused as to what's going on.

It's not been deleted, nor closed and still, I can't "Subscribe" to it at all.

Anyway, to follow up on TM, I think music games in general, like Frequency and Amplitude, in addition to Rez, made good use of the rumble. Honestly, it's a neat gimic. Like in MGS2, you can use it to gauge damage or excitement. Your heart pumps faster the closer gaurds are. In Gran Turismo, you know when you're off road, or when your car is just handling plain bad.

But life will go on without it, it's not really that big of a deal. People would like to act like sports games and racing games will be horrible without it, but they're just grasping for straws. Especially when many people choose to turn off vibration anyway.

I do admit though, it adds a movie-like experience to cutscenes. Especially in games that are already cinematically top-notch like Metal Gear Solid and Ace Combat: The Unsung War (yes, AC5 and MGS2 are being put in the same category )

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edit: Nvm, I refreshed my page and Voila, there it was, floated to the top. I shall ask no more questions.

[Draco Dagon]

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Sony isn't about the consumer anymore...

Who the hell ever has been for the consumer? Oh, that's right-poor old Nintendo that's having a hard time coming up with new ideas that don't include Mario Farts the 100th.

they are about making huge technologic advances and charging a high price for them.

Who wouldn't be about making technological advances?

If Sony new the videogame business, like they did over the past 10 years, they would realize that people don't want to pay out of the ass for a game machine. They choudl have cut blu-ray from the PS3 all together and worked on an affordable Cell processor or something. Do those kind of things to PCs... Videogames shoudl never cross the 400 mark. EVER.

The market today isn't what you grew up with. People are more likely willing to pay over $500 for a console-system, twenty years down the road people will laugh at you for not paying a -mere- $500-where people will be paying $1k-$2k (maybe an over-exaggeration, but you get the point-I hope). Consumers evolve, and so will the market evolve, same with inflation. But if the consumer doesn't evolve first, he eventually will be forced to evolve.

Sony is just a necessary evil in the industry right now. All the hot 3rd part games are on their console so people buy their machine because of them, not becuase it's a Sony machine. Sony has a few good franchises and games, but they don't out weigh Nintendo's in commercial success. Once Sony loses it's grip on 3rd party support it will go towards Nintendo and Microsoft... A two console future again. At least I hope.

Sony won't lose any "grip" so long as they can provide a technological superiority over any other group that dares compete.

As far as the console dispute, I'm just one that loves technology.

Same here. So long as there's something to push technology beyond the supposed limits, there's something to celebrate-anything less is useless.

To say that Sony has no inovative bone in their body is silly, their creation of the cell technology is extreemly unique and very inovative.

The Cell processor is owned by IBM. Sony is using it under license I do believe.


Everyone claims SONY stole an idea from Nintendo or Microsoft. Hey, why not punish every company? There's not a company alive that hasn't supposedly stolen something from someone.

[WishMaster3K]

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You made good points, so I won't address them individually, but rather as an overall theme.

...poor old Nintendo that's having a hard time coming up with new ideas that don't include Mario Farts the 100th...

...But if the consumer doesn't evolve first, he eventually will be forced to evolve...

Everyone claims SONY stole an idea from Nintendo or Microsoft. Hey, why not punish every company? There's not a company alive that hasn't supposedly stolen something from someone.

Well the first line ties into your last paragraph in that we must genuinely think "What is innovation?"

Is Nintendo rehashing the same franchises from 15 years ago innovation? Is Sony following suit, with a technology they had in development since at least 1999, in light of the acceptence of Nintendo's controller? Who's to say Microsoft's next console iteration won't provide an extra dimension of realism?

You know that there are now SEVEN Mario Parties?

Seven.

Mario Party 7.

It really exists, I shit you not.

Every generation we pay more. There is a handy little graph that shows the price of each system at launch, and even a comparative chart that shows what we would be paying for those systems with today's inflation.

*site being. . well, homosexual. So here is the link, I can't directly post the pics. http://curmudgeongamer.com/2006/05/h...-500-aint.html

Quick note, in 1986, the NES sold for $200 at launch. And here, in 2006, $200 is pretty expensive for something. . . So anyway, just look at those charts for a sec, very interesting.

[Vence]

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uh huh.. ace combat 5 was great but i never played metal gear... (Damn why Chopper...?)Well... anyway EA has the somethin new with NFSMW. Putting real people in there game and stuff.

[Blood Red Poet]

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Who the hell ever has been for the consumer? Oh, that's right-poor old Nintendo that's having a hard time coming up with new ideas that don't include Mario Farts the 100th.

You know that there are now SEVEN Mario Parties?

Seven.

Mario Party 7.

It really exists, I shit you not.

Nice, I was afraid this topic was going to get too smart and I'd have no one to call dumb.

Now, let me just say I am not a Nintendo fanboy, it is simply they do make wonderful products people that don't break in the first batch or rely on a single series. Nintendo actually has GOOD first-party games and can be the underdog and not fail simply because they don't rely on Bungie(which is now considered first-party microsoft but wasn't always), Square, Konami, Rockstar, Capcom, and ect. They represent the era of Nintendo vs Sega, they are the reason we are playing videogames at this moment. Had they not been so cocky with the Nintendo 64, there wouldn't be a Playstation 2.

Going back to the point, Mario is not Nintendo's Halo, it is Nintendo itself. Not only Mario, but Zelda, Kirby, Pokemon, and many others. Now, I want you to name to me how every single Mario game is the same.

I want you to explain to me why there is more Maddens than Mario Parties. Releasing 7 Halos is a lot, but Mario Party isn't the kind of game that builds off a story or anything like that. It is a flat out mini-game collection. It is Mr. Game-and-Watch. It doesn't need to be justified. How is a single Mario Party at all alike to the single player Super Mario games? However, there is over 10 editions of Street Fighter, with relativly the same gameplay. 10 Final Fantasys with very similiar battle systems. You are telling me Super Mario World played like Super Mario Sunshine? Or even Super Mario Sunshine to Super Mario 64. The makers of Nintendo are the some of the best of the Japanese market, side by side with Hideo of Konami. The people who made Final Fantasy worth playing are no longer apart of Square. Final Fantasy has now become Halo for the PS3, and is going to turn into Kingdom Hearts by 14.

Coming up with new ideas?

Sony has never, ever done anything that would make them inovative. All their inovation is coming from Third-Party support. Katamari shouldn't have been released on the PS2.

Microsoft is a one-hit-wonder with their Xbox Live system(which they will never get credit for), and they should get some credit for their Xbox Center Button(GEE, I WONDER WHAT COMPANY STOLE THIS ENTIRELY, next gen).

Nintendo? They have been inovative from the start. They saved video-gaming with the NES. Duck-Hunt, Gameboy, and all the wacky attachtments to SNES. Now looking at this, the best platform of this entire gen, The Nintendo DS is what I would call inovative. Using free internet via wifi, downloading old games Ipod style, and an amazing controller is what I would call inovative. Games that actually differ compared to the way Xbox games will differ to PS3 games, that is important. There will be new Mario Parties, with new mini-games, and there will be a new Mario game 6 months within launch with more gameplay difference than the last one than Final Fantasy 6 compared to Final Fantasy 10.

You play video-games, not consoles. Nintendo is the only company that can make good games(if you don't count Microsoft buying everything). There is no reason to like Sony, but to like the games that will be on it.

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[WishMaster3K]

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OMG, I kinda knew it was coming when that happened, but the presentation of the entire event was the best death sequence or scene of any game.

Ever.

But I think that with the sheer amount of flexibility allowed to developers now, creating photorealistic games isn't something that takes the majority of development time. So with games looking basically the same, story and content are going to be very important. . .

Namco has shocked me this generation, and so has Capcom with how well they are presenting their Onimusha games (ie, the FMVs in Capcom games were rivaling SE games at the time. . . Then Advent Children came out, and the team that made that went back to games, and now SE is at the top of the heap again.)

But look at FF13, There is almost no difference between pre-rendered and in-game. . .

[Draco Dagon]

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You made good points, so I won't address them individually, but rather as an overall theme.



Well the first line ties into your last paragraph in that we must genuinely think "What is innovation?"

Is Nintendo rehashing the same franchises from 15 years ago innovation? Is Sony following suit, with a technology they had in development since at least 1999, in light of the acceptence of Nintendo's controller? Who's to say Microsoft's next console iteration won't provide an extra dimension of realism?

You know that there are now SEVEN Mario Parties?

Seven.

Mario Party 7.

It really exists, I shit you not.

Every generation we pay more. There is a handy little graph that shows the price of each system at launch, and even a comparative chart that shows what we would be paying for those systems with today's inflation.

*site being. . well, homosexual. So here is the link, I can't directly post the pics. http://curmudgeongamer.com/2006/05/h...-500-aint.html

Quick note, in 1986, the NES sold for $200 at launch. And here, in 2006, $200 is pretty expensive for something. . . So anyway, just look at those charts for a sec, very interesting.

Those are very nice graphs and exactly was what I was thinking.

As for Mario Party 7, I was thinking MPX (Mario Party 10) would be out by now knowing Nintendo.

[Omni]

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You know that there are now SEVEN Mario Parties?

Seven.

Mario Party 7.

It really exists, I shit you not.

Actually... 8. i own mario party 8 and the neato microphone attachment

edit: any comments towards me owning mario party 8 will promptly be met with a right hook... ok maybe not but, the gf likes it so shoot me. orz.

unless they messed up numbering in the previous ones... theres 8 orz.

[Raydeus]

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And to think all of this started because Nintendo backstabbed Sony with the CD attachment for the Super Nintendo.

I'm glad it happened though, because that made it posible for the PS to exist. Thank you Nintendo... now burn! hehe


PS I grew up playing Nes and super Nes games but after the PS came out gaming really changed for the better.

[Draco Dagon]

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Sony has never, ever done anything that would make them inovative. All their inovation is coming from Third-Party support. Katamari shouldn't have been released on the PS2.

Oh really? You mean to tell me Sony going with the IBM's Cell processor or nVidia's RSX technology isn't innovative? (All three companies had the same chances to use whichever technology they wanted, it was a simple matter of bids.)

Microsoft is a one-hit-wonder with their Xbox Live system(which they will never get credit for), and they should get some credit for their Xbox Center Button(GEE, I WONDER WHAT COMPANY STOLE THIS ENTIRELY, next gen).

Innovative? I think not. If Microsoft wanted to do something innovative, they'd of gone out of their way to build an entire ISP/Network for the Xbox Live setup. And hell, you know how much that'd cost? It would be a few dimes and pennies to Bill Gates.

Oh yes, I'm sure Sony really stole your precious "Xbox Center Button". Guess what, there's this thing called a remote controller-might I suggest you read up about them? Which, quite frankly Sony Electronics produces more of in a single day than Microsoft would produce their Xbox/Xbox-360 in any year.

Nintendo? They have been inovative from the start. They saved video-gaming with the NES. Duck-Hunt, Gameboy, and all the wacky attachtments to SNES.

You didn't get the memo? Nintendo was under Sony. The SNES was built under Sony's influence if nothing else, the N64 was being blueprinted under Sony's influence at least too. Now who's being innovative?

Now looking at this, the best platform of this entire gen, The Nintendo DS is what I would call inovative.

Do you even know that people have been doing touch-screens for years long before the DS? Even a dual-screen portable was feasible by the late 90s. The only thing Nintendo did with the DS was act upon it.

Using free internet via wifi, downloading old games Ipod style, and an amazing controller is what I would call inovative.

Downloading an old game Ipod style is innovative? Sorry, that's already possible.

Free Internet via Wifi? Already made possible.

A TV Wiimote is innovative? That's about as innovative as a poker card game.

You play video-games, not consoles.

You're right, I DO play video games. It's too bad you pretty likely don't and prefer instead to complain about how Sony may of ****ed Nintendo and Microsoft like a couple prison guards.

Nintendo is the only company that can make good games(if you don't count Microsoft buying everything).

Oh really? What about Square Enix, Capcom, Namco, ASCII, etc. who produce video games? Nobody but Nintendo can produce a good video game, eh? Quit being a fanboy to Nintendo.

There is no reason to like Sony, but to like the games that will be on it.

There's really no reason to like Nintendo either. But then, you might really enjoy all these kiddie games. Quite frankly, it's a miracle how Nintendo can still continue using the Mario franchise, there's no story to it-and graphics suck even more for the Mario games.

[Taskmage]

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I agree with most of the above in that none of these enormous companies really engenders innovation or caring for the customer or cutting edge electronics more than any other. All that noise is just images cooked up by PR teams.

Don't knock the Mario series though. Yes, it's very G-rated and straightforward and the graphics are much the same, but the series is consistently fun. If there's anything Nintendo deserves credit for, it's a solid and consistent lineup of first party titles. Though it annoys me that a short list of first party titles is pretty much the only reason to own a Nintendo console anymore. Based on what we've been shown so far, it looks like that pattern will continue with the Wii.