What games are you currently playing?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What games are you currently playing?

Personally, I get tired of the sanctimonious bs that people spout when you bring up roms. Get over yourself, no one is an angel. There isn't a single adult person that can look in the mirror and honestly say they've never done anything illegal....yet they sure know how to stand on their soapboxes.

And your point is?

The more people in engage in piracy - regardless of how they wish to rationalize it - the harder it becomes for everyone. As much as I want to call bullshit on EA for cutting content from their games to "prevent piracy" its not a totally unfounded reason, even if it is a flawed one.

People can't just enjoy what they have, they gotta keep up with everyone else and feel like they're part of the conversation in gaming. Sorry, but I do not game beyond my means and I will not steal to do it. All the excuses that are being made here are ones I used to make, but can no longer really justify now that the means and the potential is there for these games to be purchased legitimately in digital form.

The excuses are, quite frankly, outdated.

Now we just have to wait for companies to embrace the notion of digital distribution. It came for music first and now that's the norm and CDs are the oddity. Its happening with movies now and it will continue to evolve with games.

But apparently, the rationale for stealing things just keeps on finding new reasons. Reasons like "They charge too much for old games" as if age has any relevance to intellectual property. Plenty of people seem to think FFVII is worth $9.99. There's no shortage of FFVII now. Unlimited quantity, over a million downloads, so what's the excuse to ROM hack it?

Its available.
It can be backed up.
Still a good game for a game that's 13 years old.
People still like it.

Hell, soon you're not even going to be short on options for what you play it on, you'll just have more of them.

Sony Ericsson Readying an Android 3.0 PlayStation Phone?

These legit versions will continue to be cataloged over time, the catalog will grow and be integrated into new hardware. What's not there now will probably come to light eventually. No game stays dead forever.

Except Duke Nukem.

[Feba]

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It still enables stealing once posted or made available to torrent.

Then don't fucking post it up for someone to download? Make a personal copy, use an emulator. I am not seeing the issue.

That's not what people that rationalize ROMs say.

Then ignore them?

I'm going to sum up your logic following this statement:

BBQ says: Well most people that drive go over the speed limit from time to time when they think they can get away with it. And they do that enough and they think they can go over the speed limit anywhere. And that's why I don't drive, because all drivers eventually turn into wicked speeders!

What's left after that?

Playing games that you own.

See point One.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Playing games that you own.

And of you "own" then why do they need to be emulated on something else?

You don't own games, though. You purchase a license to play them which is all a physical copy of a game or any form of media is. A license. A copy made from a source, but what you have is not the source itself. And when you lose the souce, damn that's a bitch.

Someone lost the source code the original Devil Summoner after the Japanese PSP port. As much as I want it, without it, its not happening. Oh, its out there on ROM, but Atlus is never going to see a dime on that game again. Is it fair to duplicate someone's hard work when its impossible for them to provide it legitimately?

When you duplicate a game without another purchase of or beyond the terms of a license, you engage in piracy. If you want to debate that, well, legally you have no argument. Laws regarding intellectual property would have to be fundamentally changed. The only changes I've seen are in distribution.

You can duplicate a game to a PSN-enabled device up to five times, provided you have that many Sony devices to play it on. No more. That's the terms of the license for things you can play on PSP and PS3.

We live in a reality - one you might be oblivious to - where people have gone well beyond "making a backup for myself." They posted it so others could copy it, those people are not buying it.

Its to the point PSP really isn't in an enviable position. At least DS has overwhelming numbers to somewhat (but not entirely) combat its software piracy woes, but PSP's market share so shitty in the west that bringing anything over is almost guaranteed to fail in sales. For every person like me that legitimately will buy Valkyria Chronicles 2 or Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep, there are plenty of people that are more than happy to download it of a site and not pay a dime.

You think that just because you believe you handle the way you do it in a "responsible" way that dozens more people don't? If people just up and steal the games I just mentioned, then we might not see another VC game at all, though I'm sure SE has the will to carry on with more KH.

[Feba]

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And of you "own" then why do they need to be emulated on something else?

Because you don't own the original hardware anymore, or the original hardware has ceased functioning.

Like, I don't know, your game that you had to go buy a new handheld for?

And go ahead and play technicalities with licensing; it's still legal to store backups of games, and to play said backups on emulators. There are even special exceptions that allow you to break copy protection in order to play media that won't work otherwise!

They posted it so others could copy it, those people are not buying it.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT PEOPLE ARE PLAYING THINGS THEY DIDN'T BUY? NEWS TO ME!

If only this had any relevance to why you can't play legal backups of games you own, it would completely defeat my argument! But luckily, it doesn't. Because after all, in BBQ land, some people using a technology to commit a wrong means that the technology itself is wrong!

It's a good thing this only happens with computers! What if we lost air travel because some dicks flew some into buildi-- oh.

Well, at least there is some good news in all of this. Since technology is evil, and not its uses, we can be sure that BBQ will never use commercial air travel again (after all, he's no hypocrite). This means we'll never have to sit next to him on a flight.

[Malacite]

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So much rancor I'm just gonna drop this hilarious (and the more I look at it, almost disturbing) dancing Gabe Newel I found.

[Mhurron]

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You think that just because you believe you handle the way you do it in a "responsible" way that dozens more people don't?

So I take it you're also against computers, DVD Recorders, VHS, BetaMax, Cassette tapes and MP3 players because some people might be using them for illegal purposes?

[Kailea]

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wow little argument while I was asleep....


are roms illegal? yes, do I find anything wrong with roms of much older systems? no.....


sorry but as much as I love Nintendo, they are not getting $5 from me, for Super Mario Bros.

The whole, "pirating is taking food out of the companies mouth" is complete BS when it comes to anything on Virtual console.

[Ufgt]

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Holy soapbox.

[Kailea]

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Holy soapbox.

soapbox? no not really, not trying to "convert" anyone, just stating my opinion about it. You don't like it, fine, I am going to go over here and have fun playing MegaMan 2 again.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What games are you currently playing?

So I take it you're also against computers, DVD Recorders, VHS, BetaMax, Cassette tapes and MP3 players because some people might be using them for illegal purposes?

Are there any other boring or worn out defenses you'd like to roll out to justify blatant theft? Becausse this is scraping the bottom of the barrel and pushing the limits of stupidity to boot.

Say whatever you want to feel right with yourself, bottom line here is you pirate, you make things harder for everyone else. In my book, that makes you an asshole. We deal with DRMs because people steal things, just like we deal with higher airport security because some jackass was promised virgins in the afterlife.

The whole, "pirating is taking food out of the companies mouth" is complete BS when it comes to anything on Virtual console.

Why? Because you feel they've already made enough money on such games? Who are you to say how much success someone should have?

Rubik's Cubes, Care Bears and Transformers are still going for about what they did in the 80s. SHould they only get like a buck for those? Or do game companies have to ship you outdated formats to make you feel like the game you downloaded and played is more "real?" and worthy of five dollars? Oh yeah, five bucks is so steep.

Now, does anyone want to bring out the used game argument? That's usually the last one people bring out when they've run out of other reasons.

[Yellow Mage]

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this is scraping the bottom of the barrel and pushing the limits of stupidity to boot.

. . .

Okay, so I felt like being a little immature there. So sure me.

[Mhurron]

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Are there any other boring or worn out defenses you'd like to roll out to justify blatant theft? Becausse this is scraping the bottom of the barrel and pushing the limits of stupidity to boot.

Your right, your constant insistence that everyone using an emulator is breaking the law and therefor using emulators is breaking the law and won't someone please think of the poor developers is just making you look stupider then you usually do.

Your entire argument against emulation is that emulators are used by people to pirate software. Everything I listed is also used by people to pirate. You aren't a hypocrite are you? You hate all tools of piracy don't you? You couldn't possibly simply trying to make yourself look better then everyone else could you?

Say whatever you want to feel right with yourself, bottom line here is you pirate

The moment you can get it through your thick head that simply using an emulator, or even downloading ROMS does not equate to piracy you might be able to have a intelligent discussion about the matter. Until then, you simply sound like a raving lunatic.

[TheGrandMom]

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And your point is?

The point is it's my opinion and I'm allowed to have one.

But apparently, the rationale for stealing things just keeps on finding new reasons. Reasons like "They charge too much for old games" as if age has any relevance to intellectual property. Plenty of people seem to think FFVII is worth $9.99. There's no shortage of FFVII now. Unlimited quantity, over a million downloads, so what's the excuse to ROM hack it?

I paid for it so why should I have to buy it again? In fact, that particular game, I own 5 or more copies of. (UK, JP, US - 2 or more, PC) so now I should let them milk me for more money when they've gotten it several times already? I'm glad you have money to stuff in their greedy pockets but I don't.

[Feba]

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Speaking of FF7, I found a black label copy in my garage earlier this year.

I have no idea how it got there; I never played it until I got my GH version while I was staying with grandparents, I didn't inherit PS1 games from anyone, by all means I should not own a black label copy.

[TheGrandMom]

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I know I have one black label open and one sealed, and possibly more of each. I know I have at least 5 sealed copies of Ico. Hoarding FTW! lol