Magic: The Gathering

[Icemage]

Re: Magic: The Gathering

So Ritual of the Returned & Worst Fears both look like janky fun for Monoblack.

Mal's sense of how MtG cards work sucks, confirmed. Unless you're referring to the loltastic mono black aggro decks that are running around (badly) right now, which would never run such things.

Ritual of the Returned is 3B. Worst Fears is 7B. How is either card "monoblack"? Both cards suck, either way.

Green dictate is utter crap since it can't end the game like Red nor can you actively deny your opponent their share of the bonus (notion thief) off blue's. Wondering now if white will be something stupid like global lifelink (that could be black too) or buffs.

Dictate of Karametra is just an overpriced Mana Flare playable as an instant. It's garbage. Nobody ever played Mana Flare seriously, no one will play Dictate of Karametra.

BTW: Edit post is working fine for me.


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: Magic: The Gathering

Uh, Shadow of Death & Phyrexian Dreadnought say hi?


And it's not working for me, lost like half my post again -_-'

Ritual is pretty damned good considering it's instant and can be used to resurrect huge fatties that normally have drawbacks without said drawbacks. Even more hilarious in Zombie tribal (which would be Modern @ this point since Innistrad is gone).

[cidbahamut]

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Ye olde Mana Flare decks were a ton of fun. You know, back when fielding two or three Mana Flares meant everyone was mana burning themselves every turn.

[Icemage]

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Uh, Shadow of Death & Phyrexian Dreadnought say hi?

Shadow of what? And why on earth would you unearth Phyrexian Dreadnought? It's a dead draw if you don't draw the Ritual, and in that case, why would you use Phyrexian Dreadnought instead of something like Darksteel Colossus (edit: and using something that doesn't erase the actually good effect text that the creature has).

Ritual is pretty damned good considering it's instant and can be used to resurrect huge fatties that normally have drawbacks without said drawbacks. Even more hilarious in Zombie tribal (which would be Modern @ this point since Innistrad is gone).

Ritual is just another graveyard animation card. It's sort of interesting because it can get (slightly) beefier stuff out without text-based drawbacks, sure, but at 3B, it's too expensive, and there's not a vanilla zombie in the world that can reasonably be expected to win the game for you in any format, no matter how large it gets. 1BB would be interesting. 3B makes it janky and bad,


Icemage

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Magic: The Gathering

I cannot put into words how much I hate Orzhov.

[Malacite]

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Shadow of what? And why on earth would you unearth Phyrexian Dreadnought? It's a dead draw if you don't draw the Ritual, and in that case, why would you use Phyrexian Dreadnought instead of something like Darksteel Colossus (edit: and using something that doesn't erase the actually good effect text that the creature has).


Ritual is just another graveyard animation card. It's sort of interesting because it can get (slightly) beefier stuff out without text-based drawbacks, sure, but at 3B, it's too expensive, and there's not a vanilla zombie in the world that can reasonably be expected to win the game for you in any format, no matter how large it gets. 1BB would be interesting. 3B makes it janky and bad,


Icemage

Well, firstly because the colossus can't be put into your graveyard, ever. And second because it's a cheap 1 mana CMC critter with a massive body so if you pull him with Bob or something it won't immediately kill you (same with Shadow of Death).

SoD is a 13/13 for B that gets -x/-x equal to your life total. When was the last time you played a re-animator/dredge deck, because those decks generally run on either discarding or milling yourself and cheaply bringing back massive threats.

3B is insanely cheap for reanimation. Most good reanimations are 5 CMC and aren't instant either (excluding the one from Innistrad that had flashback) and the fact that you can revive major drawback fatties without their drawbacks is huge.

Someone's going to find a way to break that card just you wait.

[cidbahamut]

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I cannot put into words how much I hate Orzhov.

My friend showed it to me tonight at the card shop. I almost smashed the phone in anger. It's the kind of bullshit that should just be preemptively banned.

[Yellow Mage]

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I think that's enough impetus for me to build my mono-White deck. Sideboard 4 Revoke Existences and 4 Glares of Heresy.

Of course I find it extremely questionable whether it's even worth continuing to play at all. I was already contemplating where I could sell my collection maybe apart from a few decks and effectively cash out of this nonsense entirely. M15 alone is basically boycott-worthy.

Maybe it's time to get out. Maybe put the money towards finishing my Modern Knights deck, just to have it. Either way, I see myself playing a lot less Magic in the future. (I'll be updating my title to reflect that.)

[Icemage]

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Well, firstly because the colossus can't be put into your graveyard, ever. And second because it's a cheap 1 mana CMC critter with a massive body so if you pull him with Bob or something it won't immediately kill you (same with Shadow of Death).

SoD is a 13/13 for B that gets -x/-x equal to your life total. When was the last time you played a re-animator/dredge deck, because those decks generally run on either discarding or milling yourself and cheaply bringing back massive threats.

3B is insanely cheap for reanimation. Most good reanimations are 5 CMC and aren't instant either (excluding the one from Innistrad that had flashback) and the fact that you can revive major drawback fatties without their drawbacks is huge.

Someone's going to find a way to break that card just you wait.

Begging your pardon but Animate Dead is the original archetype card for reanimation deck types, and it costs a paltry 1B (and so do quite a few of the variations that came after it). I'm not sure where you got this idea that reanimation effects should cost 5, because it's not true.

Also, the card you're talking about is Death's Shadow, not "Shadow of Death". And that card sucks too (unless for some reason you're playing Lich... but the only people that use Lich are the people that like to lose)..


Icemage

[Malacite]

Re: Magic: The Gathering

I never said they should, only that most do - instant speed ones anyway. Most 4 animation spells are Sorcery speed.

[Icemage]

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I never said they should, only that most do - instant speed ones anyway. Most 4 animation spells are Sorcery speed.

Instant speed is nice, sure, but if the idea is just to surprise your opponent then more throw-away options like Shallow Grave exist, and at lower cost (1B).

I don't see why getting a vanilla zombie as an instant is something a deck should strive for. It takes way too much setup for not nearly enough payoff. Any format where there'd be something big enough to justify reanimating something big enough to be a threat is going to have threat removal, and it's still vulnerable to instant graveyard manipulation.


Icemage

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Magic: The Gathering

To be constructed playable, a 4-mana spell should effectively seal the game in your favor.

Ritual of the Returned is a vanilla Zombie with Flash, with an additional cost of removing a creature from a place where Black likes its creatures to be. It'll barely pull its weight in limited, much less constructed.

[Malacite]

Re: Magic: The Gathering

My friend showed it to me tonight at the card shop. I almost smashed the phone in anger. It's the kind of bullshit that should just be preemptively banned.

Hah, yeah a good WB deck is like grinding teeth.

[cidbahamut]

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It's not even about it being BW and annoying, it's about how absurdly potent it's going to be. It's going to completely warp the format until it cycles out. That is my prediction.

[Malacite]

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Yeah so speaking of BW being out of hand....





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