Gloom and doom

[Taskmage]

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I see this household keeps watching Teletubby videos on youtube. I suspect terrorism. Quick! We must watch every move they make on their mobile and electronic devices. As well as know their exact location on the planet.

Wait, what? Does the Homosexual Agendaâ„¢ include suicide bombers now? That's what that show is about, right? I don't think yarn bombing constitutes actual terrorism, even the really ugly ones. Hmm .. are there suicide yarn bombers?

Nice work, stream of thought. High five! /smacks head

[Ketaru]

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Wait, what? Does the Homosexual Agendaâ„¢ include suicide bombers now?

And destroying the constitution.

[Raydeus]

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Aaaaand the DHS is ordering 450 million hollow rounds.

/tinfoil...

/waitscrewthat
/equip body "bulletproofvestwithceramicplates"

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Round vs Hollow

TL;DR Hollows are for use against non-armored targets to ensure the kill.

[Etra]

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Weren't we stockpiling body bags quite recently, too?

[Taskmage]

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wat fak? Okay, I don't really know what a reasonable amount of ammunition would be, but 450 million does sound like a lot. More than the number, though, what the hell does a law enforcement agency need hollow points for?

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Okay, I was pretty sure using hollow points was a war crime, and didn't believe that police officers would be allowed to use ordinance that was forbidden to soldiers by international law. Turns out I was half right. From wikipedia:

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police ammunition, due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.

[Raydeus]

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And this is why it bothers me so much that those grunts from TSA could be carrying anti-personal rounds in the near future.

With regular rounds you stop a person unless they are drugged, and they still have a chance of survival. With Hollows you make sure that same person dies.

With regular rounds you may disable someone by shooting them in the leg if you are forced to do so. With hollows you make sure there is no leg anymore. Etc. Etc.

[Takelli]

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Hollow Rounds: Deadly, but make sure no one else gets hit.

Normal Rounds: Still deadly, but made to stop some one, but has a chance of ricocheting, and going through houses, and such.

[Taskmage]

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This is a distinction that is not special to TSA officers, though. I mean, we are culturally much less supportive of them than "real" law enforcement officers, and we're not even that hot on them, but I think it's a valid question whether we want any "peace officers" to have such a body-shattering level of stopping power that it is outlawed in international warfare. I personally would question whether the entire Department of Homeland Security is a needful structure that we want to have around. So even though I'm not sure whether this particular purchase of ammunition is something out of the ordinary that should be cause for concern, it does strike me as a symptom of some much bigger questions that should be addressed.

[Feba]

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and ICE



Why can't you people just be happy that we're getting ready to kill all of the Mexicans?

[Raydeus]

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Sad part is that wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[Takelli]

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Sad part is that wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Quick! Become a US citizen before they try and kill you!

Oh wait... Even then they might try to kill you....

[cidbahamut]

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I personally would question whether the entire Department of Homeland Security is a needful structure that we want to have around.

It isn't. It really and truly is not. The thing is a bloated mess and financial black hole. It's been over a decade since it was established and it's still as disorganized as ever. This hollow point stuff is just adding fuel to the fire as it were.

I think the notion of the kind of firepower hollow point offers is absolutely unconscionable.

[Taskmage]

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I agree completely, but you know me equivocating.

[Raydeus]

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Quick! Become a US citizen before they try and kill you!

Oh wait... Even then they might try to kill you....

XD

Maybe we should just go seek asylum with Feba and crash on his place while the bullets and nukes fly over here.

[Takelli]

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XD

Maybe we should just go seek asylum with Feba and crash on his place while the bullets and nukes fly over here.

Hahahaha. Ok!