Gloom and doom

[Takelli]

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As long as you don't disrespect anyone, or take anything too seriously that's controversial, you should have no issues with posting the stuff here.

[cidbahamut]

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That's ok, he does make some assumptions that are shaky at best. But most of the things he says fit in too well to be ignored.

It's not a matter of believing everything you see, but to take the bits and pieces that do make sense. The more of it you watch and read about the better your general idea of the situation is. Each of these videos and articles are just stepping stones.

After finishing the second of his videos, I'm pretty sure he's just a raving mad conspiracy theorist. I was disappointed.

[Raydeus]

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You have to understand this is the same guy that says the moon is probably a spaceship because it couldn't possibly be hold into position by gravity. XD

However he does say some interesting things about the situation, and after digging up some info you can see that conspiracies aside there is indeed some sort of 1984-ish thing going on. Whether that's really how it will play out (with some sort of global government) is anyone's guess, but the attacks on personal freedoms and the campaign against the US constitution by the Corporations are right there in plain sight, things that you only saw in third world dictatorships in the past (including Mexico's, which was sponsored by the US like so many around the world.)

No need to theorize anything about those either, even if we don't really know what that actually means in the immediate future.

Then there's also the fall of the Petrodollar, and that while the US already can't afford yet another war it's still been pushed towards it by foreign interests. Etc. etc. etc.

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PS > While people has many different opinions on the subject there are 2 things that always come up as "Warning" (more like confirmation) signs for the US:

- The fall of the Petrodollar, meaning oil producers including the OPEC turning from the US dollar for oil trading.
- Laws in direct conflict with 2nd amendment to take any and all weapons away from US citizens "for their protection".


What happens after that I have no idea, but I seriously hope it doesn't end up in the Amero scenario. <_<;

[Taskmage]

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I don't think it's foreign interests that are egging the US towards a confrontation with Iran so much as the perceived interest of right-wing primary voters. It's Romney and Gingrich and certain elements of conservative media that are pushing this nuclear Iran angle as a distraction from the real problems the country has, which they can't speak to right now because economic numbers have been good-ish lately which makes Obama hard to criticise (except on the point of the pileup of civil rights abuses, but the GOP would do the same or worse if it had the chance so they don't bring it up). Even Israeli intelligence officers are coming out and saying our rhetoric is beyond the pale.

[Raydeus]

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Unfortunately that's not what came out of AIPAC this year.

The US has absolutely nothing to gain from attacking Iran. But Israel seems to be ready to attack, and are putting pressure on the US to back them up when they do. Also don't forget Israel already has nuclear weapons and completely refuses to sign non-proliferation treaties while also rejecting monitoring of their own programs. So while the GOP candidates may be riding the war wave to try to get Obama out of the White House the bulk of the aggression comes from Israel and the bulk from the US rhetoric comes from Israel lobbyist groups.

You could even go as far as to say that at least Iraq was invaded for the sake of taking back the oil contracts for the US (and the UK) from the Euro in order to protect the Petrodollar, but attacking Iran will only bring net loses to the US.

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PS > And yes, just like with the US there are people in Israel saying the "Zionists" don't represent them or Jews for that matter.

So it's just as complicated over there as it is over here.

[cidbahamut]

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I think we really ought to just let Israel get themselves wiped off the map. They're pretty awful and their existence has been nothing but trouble for that entire region of the world.

[Taskmage]

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*gasp* Anti-semitic!

[cidbahamut]

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*gasp* Anti-semitic!

While I know full well you're being sarcastic, I'm tired of this being the universal response to such sentiments. If Israel were a predominantly muslim country, the things they do would garner them the same contemt from the U.S. that we dole out to other countries in the region. Maybe we'd even go to war with them. You know, to protect all those down-trodden Palestinians.

[Raydeus]

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Yeah, with all the stuff Israel has done both to Palestinians and to their neighbors in general you keep hearing more and more people speculating whether the Holocaust was even true.

That's just how much credibility and good will Israel has lost.

[cidbahamut]

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Yeah, with all the stuff Israel has done both to Palestinians and to their neighbors in general you keep hearing more and more people speculating whether the Holocaust was even true.

That's just how much credibility and good will Israel has lost.

The people who question the holocaust are just as stupid as the people who blindly defend Israel. I really don't understand either end of that spectrum.

[Raydeus]

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It's like with 9/11 really. People sympathized with the US, then they attacked Iraq. And then news of Osama working with the CIA surfaced.

A lot of people here think the US attacked themselves in order to justify their military actions. That's what I'm talking about when I say loss of credibility and good will. In this case Israel has gone so far that people that were sure the Holocaust happened are now wondering if they can even believe that part of history. It isn't stupidity, it's just natural distrust that surfaces when one does something that goes completely against the principles it's supposed to be upholding.

[Ketaru]

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I don't think it's foreign interests that are egging the US towards a confrontation with Iran so much as the perceived interest of right-wing primary voters. It's Romney and Gingrich and certain elements of conservative media that are pushing this nuclear Iran angle as a distraction from the real problems the country has, which they can't speak to right now because economic numbers have been good-ish lately which makes Obama hard to criticise (except on the point of the pileup of civil rights abuses, but the GOP would do the same or worse if it had the chance so they don't bring it up). Even Israeli intelligence officers are coming out and saying our rhetoric is beyond the pale.

I was thinking about that and couldn't help but notice reducing the debt no longer seems to be the main pitch Republican candidates are using these days. Then, when it comes to jobs, I think there really isn't confidence that either party has any ideas about what to do about unemployment, despite the fact they sure say it a lot. Alas, between Gingrich and Santorum, it's Santorum who has the momentum and now it looks like there are people who want Gingrich to excuse himself from the race because apparently he's stealing votes from Santorum. It's insane, because Santorum resorts to all sorts of radical rhetoric to rile up the party. Yet he clearly does not have the savvy or experience that Gingrich has.

As I often say, I really thought Republicans had something going for them back in November. Now, they've become distracted by all this crap about contraception. Rush Limbaugh and free speech and all that. And the more left leaning keeps egging them on about the whole same-sex equality thing which has clearly gained momentum all of a sudden between marriage in some states and DADT. Some of them know they have to tread lightly. So they try to evade the question, like Michelle Bachmann. Santorum is obsessed with anal sex though, so he just can't resist making himself look as uncompromising to Catholics/Evangelicals as possible. And now that I know the right is actually willing to elect somebody like him, it has turned me off to the party immensely.

[geogolem]

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This is an interesting discussion.

Regardless of "conspiracy theories" or "Orwellian State", I have no idea what the truth is but the following video really hit a chord with me:

[Takelli]

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It's like with 9/11 really. People sympathized with the US, then they attacked Iraq. And then news of Osama working with the CIA surfaced.

A lot of people here think the US attacked themselves in order to justify their military actions. That's what I'm talking about when I say loss of credibility and good will. In this case Israel has gone so far that people that were sure the Holocaust happened are now wondering if they can even believe that part of history. It isn't stupidity, it's just natural distrust that surfaces when one does something that goes completely against the principles it's supposed to be upholding.

I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but... It's hard to dismis the evidence of the us attacking it self with 9/11, as well as this war on terrorism is actually a for oil. As well as bush being family friends with the osamas. It's a little hard to dismiss the hard evidence against it all.

[Shygirl]

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God, I'm so thankful to be stuck in this country for what's most of my life.