Gloom and doom

[Raydeus]

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The answer to cyber spionage, is cyber spionage.




Aaaand embedding is broken again. <_<;

[Takelli]

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If it does get passed, wont people be pissed, and do something about it?

I think that if it does, there will be more occupy type of stuff going on.

[Murphie]

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Which has obviously been super effective.

[Raydeus]

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The only way Occupy would ever work is if people actually went and got completely out of the system in droves.

But as it stands today Occupy is just target practice for riot police and much more likely to degrade into an armed conflict rather than the paradigm shift a real change would require.

So... yeah.

[Taskmage]

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The answer to cyber spionage, is cyber spionage.

Which has obviously been super effective.

It did work that one time with SOPA. Well .. not anything occupy related.

[cidbahamut]

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If it does get passed, wont people be pissed, and do something about it?

No. People are complacent and ignorant. They think they've defeated all the evils that threaten the internet by stomping out SOPA/PIPA, and that's just the ones who are aware of the internet. This thing could easily get passed through quietly, without fanfare and no one would be the wiser for it. People don't make a habit of keeping tabs on legislation unless they're part of a group devoted to doing exactly that.

Legislation gets passed all the time without the public knowing what's going on. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see this pass and for there to be minimal backlash.

But hey, I've got absolutely no faith in humanity so what do I know?

[Murphie]

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It did work that one time with SOPA. Well .. not anything occupy related.

I was referring more to occupy with that statement. I'll agree that it totally worked that one time with SOPA.

[Takelli]

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I do agree with you gots that a lot gets passed with out a single word said to the majority of the public

People are stupid. And don't know a lot of what's going on. But they should. I try to pass it on as much as I can. Through faveboo, forums, and other social places. Even where I work. But, thats only if I can get information about it.

[Murphie]

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If only there were a way to get said information.

[Takelli]

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Yea, that is why I said if I can.

[Murphie]

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As long as it's not too cold out, right?

[Takelli]

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Ummm, what? Why does that even come up as a subject?

[Murphie]

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Well, it's just such an impediment to doing something one wants to do.

[Takelli]

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Ok, I thought you where mocking me for a moment for what I posted in another tread. <,.,<

[Taskmage]

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Surveillance State democracy

What was most amazing to me back when I first wrote about these Obama administration efforts was that a mere six weeks earlier, a major controversy had erupted when Saudi Arabia and the UAE both announced a ban on BlackBerries on the ground that they were physically unable to monitor the communications conducted on those devices. Since Blackberry communication data are sent directly to servers in Canada and the company which operates Blackberry — Research in Motion — refused to turn the data over to those governments, “authorities [in those two tyrannies] decided to ban Blackberry services rather than continue to allow an uncontrolled and unmonitored flow of electronic information within their borders.” As I wrote at the time: “that’s the core mindset of the Omnipotent Surveillance State: above all else, what is strictly prohibited is the ability of citizens to communicate in private; we can’t have any ‘uncontrolled and unmonitored flow of electronic information’.”

In response to that controversy, the Obama administration actually condemned the Saudi and UAE ban, calling it “a dangerous precedent” and a threat to “democracy, human rights and freedom of information.” Yet six weeks later, the very same Obama administration embraced exactly the same rationale — that it is intolerable for any human interaction to take place beyond the prying eyes and ears of the government — when it proposed its mandatory “backdoor access” for all forms of Internet communication. Indeed, the UAE pointed out that the U.S. — as usual — was condemning exactly that which it itself was doing

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Moreover, for anyone who defends the Obama administration here and insists that the U.S. Government simply must have access to all forms of human communication: does that also apply to in-person communication? Should home and apartment builders be required to install monitors in every room they build to ensure that the Government can surveil all human communications in order to prevent threats to national security and public safety? I believe someone once wrote a book about where this mindset inevitably leads. The very idea that no human communication should ever be allowed to take place beyond the reach of the Government is definitive authoritarianism, which is why Saudi Arabia and the UAE — and their American patron-ally — have so vigorously embraced it.