Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

[Firewind]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

[Melody]

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[Armando]

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Don't even know why people are so up in arms about Fire/Fighting. It's a great type combination - it removes your weakness to Rock (and by extension Stealth Rock) and gives you something to really pummel Water types with. There isn't any type that resists both Fire and Fighting as far as I know.

[DakAttack]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

I remember when it was water, grass, and fire, and all you had to do was pick one. Now pokemon have subjobs and shit.

[cidbahamut]

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I remember when it was water, grass, and fire, and all you had to do was pick one. Now pokemon have subjobs and shit.

They didn't even get that right until Gold/Silver.

[Armando]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

I remember when it was water, grass, and fire, and all you had to do was pick one. Now pokemon have subjobs and shit.

Charizard was Fire/Flying all the way back in Red/Blue. The only major change since then is that every Pokemon has a passive ability (basically a job trait) now. All the starters hit harder when they're at low health, stuff like that. But even then Grass type has always been kind of a shitty type. It's got too many weaknesses to really common types. NPCs are dumb so you can get away with it in single player mode, but they really have a hard time in multiplayer.

[cidbahamut]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

Bulbasaur was also Grass/Poison, like every other grass type with the exception of Tangela.

[Firewind]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

Don't even know why people are so up in arms about Fire/Fighting. It's a great type combination - it removes your weakness to Rock (and by extension Stealth Rock) and gives you something to really pummel Water types with. There isn't any type that resists both Fire and Fighting as far as I know.

Fighting Types are also the most powerful types in the game. They only have two very uncommon weaknesses, both of which are pretty meh offensive types (Flying and Psychic) and hit a lot of very common ones (Rock, Steel, Dark), everything else will be hit for at least neutral damage and it will hit like a truck.

Look at the current "Top" Tier: OU (B/W) - Smogon University . And people will see just how useful having access to Fighting Type moves really is.

[Armando]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

Fighting Types are also the most powerful types in the game.

I'd argue Steel is the most powerful, not necessarily because of raw power, but because it resists 12 types, is the only one that resists Dragon, and is immune to sandstorms. Almost every team uses a Steel type; the prevalence is Fighting, Fire, Ground, Water and Electric moves is a direct result of needing ways to kill them.

But yeah, Fighting type is pretty awesome.

[Firewind]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

I would have said Ice actually is the typical example of a type only appearing in OU because of one Pokemon: Garchomp. I still can't believe that both Garchomp and Salamence are unbanned given how much that over centralise the entire metagame. Even with Sand Veil banned from Sandstorm Teams you still need your teams set up like this:

Opener
Stealth Rock Bitch/Rapid Spin Bitch
Physical Sweeper
Special Sweeper
Dedicated Garchomp/Salamence Counter Part 1 (Always dies)
Dedicated Garchomp/Salamence Counter Part 2 (Is highly likely to die anyway)

That is basically an entire third of the team (one of which will be a sacrificial lamb) dedicated to taking down Garchomp purely due to there maybe being a chance of it appearing. Same with Salamence too. Even with Sand Veil banned, Garchomp is still pretty broken by himself, same with Salamence.

[Yellow Mage]

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To be fair, Fire/Fighting isn't getting flak because it really is a super-solid type combination, but because it got stale after the second time. Yeah, Infernape was a tour de force in the meta for its time. But in all honesty, who actually really liked Infernape? All it effectively did at the time was to be a "more usable" Blaziken. The power creep in general in generations IV and V didn't particularly help matters.

The five Grass starters have /Posion, /NONE, /NONE, /Ground, and /NONE.
The five Water starters have /NONE, /NONE, /Ground, /FREAKING STEEL, and /NONE.

The five Fire starters have /Flying, /NONE, /Fighting, /Fighting, /Fighting.

At this rate, Fire-type fans would be happier if Fennekin ended up not having any second typing at all, and it'd probably still see play anyway if recent power creep trends are any indication. (In essence it'd be a "usable" Typhlosion.) The /Psychic speculation would be highly amusing if true, though, in light of the past three /Fighting guys.

[Armando]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

To be fair, Fire/Fighting isn't getting flak because it really is a super-solid type combination, but because it got stale after the second time.

Considering people tend to pick the same starter type with every game, I don't think they get to complain about staleness on the secondary type.

All it effectively did at the time was to be a "more usable" Blaziken.

Besides being pretty powerful all-around, he made a great opener. He'd break sashes with Fake Out and then almost guarantee a Stealth Rock or otherwise rip into the enemy.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

Considering people tend to pick the same starter type with every game, I don't think they get to complain about staleness on the secondary type.

To be fair, when presented with the same three choices every time . . . well, doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is insanity, no?

[cidbahamut]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

Considering people tend to pick the same starter type with every game, I don't think they get to complain about staleness on the secondary type.

Can I complain about not liking the character designs then?

Fennekin is the first Fire starter that I've found remotely appealing since Cyndaquil.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Little things that make you smile - the anti-peeve thread.

Can I complain about not liking the character designs then?

Fennekin is the first Fire starter that I've found remotely appealing since Cyndaquil.

I liked Torchic, and Tepig was . . . an improvement over Chimchar, but yeah, of the five that are out, Cyndaquil is still my favorite. And Fennekin is the first to threaten to challenge that.