Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

[Armando]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

You should comply and if they are indeed at fault, take them to trial and prove it, getting them what they deserve, reprimanded, demoted, fired, or jailed.

So you concede not every cop deserves respect? Also, proving that a cop said X or Y to you sounds pretty hard unless you recorded the conversation, which could be illegal in itself.

You cant try and play judge and jury on the spot when a cop asks you to do something, this will get you nowhere.

Some people are fine with that. Some people would rather exercise their rights and not cave to an abuse of authority.

[Mezlo]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

Every cop deserves respect until they act in a way that is unlawful or unconstitutional. Again, you can try and take this wherever you want, but this discussion was based upon the audio clip provided. And based upon that audio clip, the police acted the way they should have, no one's right were violated, and the prick got what he deserved.

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Some people are fine with that. Some people would rather go to jail because they believe their rights are being infringed upon (like the prick in the audio clip) when they actually aren't.

ftfy

[Feba]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

problem with that is, when you answer inappropriate questions, you are consenting to being asked. Cops do have a right to ask any question that they want, but that comes with the public having the right to decline questions that are not required for the officer to carry out his duties.

I'm guessing you're also opposed to requiring warrants for searches, on the basis of "If you're not guilty, you have nothing to hide", right? Well, there's reasons to deny a search other than hiding guilt. The same thing goes for questions.

[Armando]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

Again, you can try and take this wherever you want, but this discussion was based upon the audio clip provided.

But you brought up a scenario that has absolutely nothing to do with the video in response to cid.

...Wait, let me play this out. Your house is getting broken into, the perps have killed your dad...

And your original statement was addressed to everyone, so it wasn't particularly about the video.

[Mezlo]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

problem with that is, when you answer inappropriate questions, you are consenting to being asked. Cops do have a right to ask any question that they want, but that comes with the public having the right to decline questions that are not required for the officer to carry out his duties.

and if you chose to not answer the questions asked result in obstruction of justice and you serve jail time, stfu and serve your jail time, im cool with that. again, going back to the audio clip, the cop asked nothing absurd. the Canadian thought he was owed something, and him getting uppity with the cop and acting indifferent resulted in much deserved jail time.

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But you brought up a scenario that has absolutely nothing to do with the video in response to cid.And your original statement was addressed to everyone, so it wasn't particularly about the video.

ok so then answer the question I brought up in that scenario. does that scenario need to take place in order for law enforcement to "earn" your respect?

[Armando]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

and if you chose to not answer the questions asked result in obstruction of justice and you serve jail time, stfu and serve your jail time, im cool with that.

What if the cop asks you a self-incriminating question, and you serve time for answering a question you didn't have to answer? Is that all right too?

does that scenario need to take place in order for law enforcement to "earn" your respect?

No, but that's irrelevant to my question of whether or not every cop deserves respect. Obviously there are good cops out there and they deserve respect, but that doesn't say anything about whether bad cops deserve respect. In fact, if a sexist or racist cop ends up saving my life, while I'll still be grateful, that doesn't mean I need to respect him when he's being prejudiced.

[Mezlo]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

cid said respect needed to be earned not owed, so I brought up a possible scenario with police. you will encounter police in your day to day lives that have not individually "earned" your respect. the purpose of the scenario was to detail an event that happens everyday across the US, and was meant for one to reflect on what the police need to do to "earn" your respect. you cant realistically believe that every single policeman you encounter for the rest of your life has done something individually to "earn" your respect. So what then, until each member of the police force demonstrates an act that "earns" your respect, they shouldn't have it?

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Armando, is this what you want to hear, lol... Armando there are bad people out there. bad people that do bad things. these bad people, they don't deserve respect. if I need to state the obvious like this, then... idk... you need to troll elsewhere, lol

[Armando]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

What if the cop asks you a self-incriminating question, and you serve time for answering a question you didn't have to answer? Is that all right too?

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if I need to state the obvious like this, then... idk... you need to troll elsewhere, lol

It was not obvious at all. Honestly, the original quote that got everyone jumping down your throat made you sound quite insane. Blind patriotism is just as dangerous as religious fanaticism. But yes, that was the sane response I was expecting.

[Mezlo]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

But yes, that was the sane response I was expecting.

lol, now go listen to the audio clip, and why don't you participate in the conversation based off of the audio clip. was the candians rights violated? were the cops acting out of sorts, or did the Canadian get what he deserved because he thought he was "owed" something.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

The point of the video was that the Canadian had apparently made the same trip several times in the past without even so much as a word, never mind the harassment, and therefore there is no rational reason for things to be different.

[Armando]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

lol, now go listen to the audio clip, and why don't you participate in the conversation based off of the audio clip. was the candians rights violated?

You still haven't answered this question.

What if the cop asks you a self-incriminating question, and you serve time for answering a question you didn't have to answer? Is that all right too?

But for whatever it's worth, while the person being questioned was dumb, but so was the cop. Giving him an explanation would've gone a long way. The cop was within his rights to bring him in for questioning, but it could've gone smoother.

[Mezlo]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

The point of the video was that the Canadian had apparently made the same trip several times in the past without even so much as a word, never mind the harassment, and therefore there is no rational reason for things to be different.

you obviously didn't pay attention to the audio and must not be from the US. international border agents / homeland security agents don't act on "what has happened in the past." The nations level of security can fluctuate daily, and with these fluctuations, questioning can be different. have you not flown through US airports and noticed the varying levels of security based upon the current threat level. Just because that dumb fuck has traveled to the US before "in the past" this doesn't mean every single interaction he has had with our security officials is going to be identical. to think so is idiotic...

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You still haven't answered this question.

whats the question?

[Armando]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

What if a cop asks you a self-incriminating question, and you serve time for answering a question you didn't have to answer? Are you OK with that?

[Mezlo]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

What if the cop asks you a self-incriminating question, and you serve time for answering a question you didn't have to answer? Is that all right too?.

Was this the question? If so, don't be dumb. Plead the 5th. Again, don't let anyone violate your constitutional rights.

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Seriously, don't be dumb. If he asks you a self-incriminating question, answering the question could be "I plead the 5th."

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That is answering the question he asked you, while not being uppity, and not being disrespectful.

[Armando]

Re: Official Bored at Work / Off-Topic Chat Thread II

Seriously, don't be dumb. If he asks you a self-incriminating question, answering the question could be "I plead the 5th."

That's not answering the question at all, which is probably why Feba brought up the bit about search warrants. You're answering him. Regardless, that's what I wanted to know.