Acne/Break Outs

[DakAttack]

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Source: Nothing intelligent to really bring to the discussion.

Oh I've got intelligent stuff to bring, I just didn't. Good to know you've got high standards for me.

[Takelli]

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This is interesting, because I had recently been shown an article on the early puberty thing and it mentions high consumption of animal protein and dairy products as part of the cause (along with soda, obesity, and inactivity.)

What I have heard that causes early puberty is also all the junk they stick in food, and genetically modifying it.

[DakAttack]

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What I have heard that causes early puberty is also all the junk they stick in food, and genetically modifying it.

Genetically modified junk food!?!?!?!? Come on, this isn't difficult.

Many attribute the rise in cholesterol-filled diets with an earlier onset of puberty in both males and females. Steroids that promote the growth of sex characteristics are synthesized from cholesterol.

Steroid hormone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Soy contains phytoestrogens, which are foreign chemicals that act as estrogen within the body.

Soybean - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Takelli]

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Genetically modified junk food!?!?!?!? Come on, this isn't difficult.

You might want to re-read what I posted....

I didn't say junk food, I said the junk they stick in food. What we call "food" now really isn't food with all the shit they stick in it.

[Takelli]

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Dairy products are all processed to hell and back. They're mostly fat, anyways. I'd rather reach for the grains.

Here is another reason to avoid Dairy products: I wish beyond all else this could be true but reality speaks a different story. It is amazing when I ask people who visit the farm to show hands who think cows produce milk, and just about every hand goes up, even the teachers. Puzzled I say, hang on a minute here, I am a female and just by virtue of being female doesn't mean I produce milk. Cows like all mammals only produce milk for their offspring so in order for a cow to produce for human consumption she needs to be pregnant, so what then do we do with all the baby calves that are born and then taken away from their loving mothers so the milk can be harvested for human consumption? You can almost see a light go on as they comment, "I never thought about that before" and that has been the success of the dairy industry and the downfall of baby calves.

Source: The story of three very lucky calves | Animals Australia

[NightShayde]

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You don't need to BE pregnant to lactate. Most of the time you just need to have been pregnant to lactate -- and you'll keep lactating until milk is no longer being sucked out of you either by your child (or another person) or a machine. Without reading the article about the lucky calves, I'll guess that cows work roughly the same way. They have calves & nurse them -- but then are mechanically milked long after the calf is no longer there/nursing. As long as the body thinks there's a demand for the milk, it will keep producing milk.

[Takelli]

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You don't need to BE pregnant to lactate. Most of the time you just need to have been pregnant to lactate -- and you'll keep lactating until milk is no longer being sucked out of you either by your child (or another person) or a machine. Without reading the article about the lucky calves, I'll guess that cows work roughly the same way. They have calves & nurse them -- but then are mechanically milked long after the calf is no longer there/nursing. As long as the body thinks there's a demand for the milk, it will keep producing milk.

That is true, but the thing is, the milk is produced for the calves, NOT for human consumption. And doing that most likely makes the cows uncomfortable.

[Murphie]

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You know what also makes cows uncomfortable? Not milking them once you've gotten them to the point where they are lactating regularly.

Also, folks, seriously WTF. We're supposed to be talking about how to fix Aksannyi's tore up face, not the evils of dairy.

[Taskmage]

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Animals don't produce meat for human consumption, nor is any part of a plant other than certain fruits or seeds "meant" to be consumed from the plants perspective. That doesn't seem like a good arguement not to eat those things to me. I'm sure if the cow was given the choice between being milked or butchered to give us food it would opt for the former, and if it wasn't producing some sort of product for human consumption, nobody would bother to feed it.

[Takelli]

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You know what also makes cows uncomfortable? Not milking them once you've gotten them to the point where they are lactating regularly.

They really wouldn't have to go through that if they didn't force them to.

Animals don't produce meat for human consumption, nor is any part of a plant other than certain fruits or seeds "meant" to be consumed from the plants perspective. That doesn't seem like a good arguement not to eat those things to me. I'm sure if the cow was given the choice between being milked or butchered to give us food it would opt for the former, and if it wasn't producing some sort of product for human consumption, nobody would bother to feed it.

Animals aren't meant for food anyways.

Yes, there are certain fruits/vegetables/plants that aren't meant for human consumption, but people do eat them anyways. I would rather eat that stuff over meat and milk anyways. I just don't like the idea of eating something that has feelings, and was once alive, as well as pretty intelligent (Animals are smarter than the credit we give them.).

I also don't like the idea of eating products from animals that are kept in horrible conditions, and in areas where they can't even turn around or move in. Such as eggs from chickens, they are kept in a horrible condition. The cows are all jam packed together and aren't able to move, as well as live in their own feces. Pigs as well, they can't turn around, or even roll over due to the size of their cages.

I'm not trying to make you all vegan or anything, just stating why I wont want to eat meat or dairy products.

[Murphie]

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What do you mean "not meant for food anyways?" We're not herbivores. Animals eat other animals. We're animals. There is no "meant" involved here. There is no set way for things to happen. With supplements and vitamins you can get everything you need with a vegan diet but it isn't easy and it isn't the way our bodies are used to working.

Don't get me wrong. I get why vegans and vegetarians don't want to eat animal products. I was a lacto/ovo vegetarian for about seven years, mostly because at the time the thought of eating animals was gross. And I also agree that causing animals to needlessly suffer is unnecessary and cruel.

We don't live in some perfect world where no one is hungry and there is an abundance of non-animal foods to eat cheaply and easily that will also give us all of the vitamins and nutrients we need to survive. That'd be nice, but we're not there.

[Takelli]

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You don't have to take vitamins in order to get what you need on a vegan diet.

What do most people eat meat for? Protein? There's that in peanuts (Although there are a lot of people allergic to peanuts.)

People drink milk for Calcium, and Vitamin D (Th Vitamin D is added anyways.), but you can get them from other sources of food.

You can also grow your own food as well. My family has a small garden in out back yard each year. We grow peppers, herbs, green beans, lettuce, and other stuff, and it lasts for a while as well.

Also, with eating meat, there's worms and parasites that survive the cooking process, and I'd rather not have that in me.

Humans are Omnivores, not just carnivores, or vegetarian. We can make our own path in what we eat, and our bodies will adjust to it. The craving for meat will go away after a while, as well as dairy product.

[Armando]

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We don't live in some perfect world where no one is hungry and there is an abundance of non-animal foods to eat cheaply and easily that will also give us all of the vitamins and nutrients we need to survive. That'd be nice, but we're not there.

Part of the problem IS the animal-based foods. The amount of land, water, and energy (food fed to the animal, refrigeration required for transport, waste processing) involved in meat production is massive compared to the amount of edible food that's created. It's so screwed up that eating less meat is more eco-friendly than any water-saving measures you could reasonably include in your daily life. It's also a leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions and it's going to get worse since as countries develop, their previously poor citizens will be able to afford meat as a regular part of their diets. Meat also drives up the cost of soy, which is kind of the go-to meat substitute. I can't find it right now but I remember reading on Wikipedia last year that around 80% of all soybeans produced in the US are used up for feeding livestock.

Non-meat foods already provide sufficient protein for humans, so it's really more a matter of culture and pleasure (it's hard to quit things that taste good) than practicality.

[Takelli]

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Part of the problem IS the animal-based foods. The amount of land, water, and energy (food fed to the animal, refrigeration required for transport, waste processing) involved in meat production is massive compared to the amount of edible food that's created. It's so screwed up that eating less meat is more eco-friendly than any water-saving measures you could reasonably include in your daily life. It's also a leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions and it's going to get worse since as countries develop, their previously poor citizens will be able to afford meat as a regular part of their diets. Meat also drives up the cost of soy - I can't find it right now but I remember reading on Wikipedia last year that around 80% of all soybeans produced in the US are used up for feeding livestock.

Ah yes, I had completely forgotten about this.

Cows are the number one producer of methane in the US. They produce more than cars do. I'll try to find the source if I can though.

Edit:

Here it is: http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mam...ethane-cow.htm

[Taskmage]

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So long as we're on the subject, does anyone have any good links to vegan resources online? I'm trying to reduce the meat in my diet for ethical/sustainability reasons and the egg and dairy products for cholesterol reasons, and I have a hard time finding good recipes.