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    I posted this message within a thread on CNN expecting at least one person to give me an answer, whether someone simply playing devils advocate, or one of the many conservative trolls that frequently comment on their postings. Sadly, I didn't get a bite, but I would genuinely like some form of a response from someone in support of the possession of gun if it all possible. Here is the original message in its entirety.

    "There are several things I will never understand about the gun advocates and their ideologies in this country. The first one is why are people against requiring a psychiatric evaluation before allowing gun ownership? I personally feel that it should be required, just as much as I feel that an individual should have to attend a gun safety and proper use course. I personally don't care for firearms, and I wish they were illegal, however, if we are to have them and allow them, why is it so taboo to advocate gun education and screening as part of obtaining them? It in no way restricts a healthy individual from obtaining them, and it would be educational for all those irresponsible individuals in the country who just want to pack a glock.

    The second thing is why is it so hard to make the ownership of working assault rifles and automatic weapons illegal? There is simply no purpose to their legality in working order. Thankfully automatic weapons are illegal, but why are assault rifles not? A good example is the AR-15, which is just the semi-automatic version of the M-16. I can understand collecting them (mind you, preferably not in working order), but aside from that can you really justify a purpose? For home defense, a hand gun is better due to the close quarters environment, as well as the low penetration of standard civilian rounds (due to the lack of a full metal jacket). For hunting, a normal bolt action rifle would be superior due to the accuracy of the closed chamber. So if such is the case, what justification is there for owning a working order 5.56 Nato round expending assault rifle? The same case could easily be made against a modified semi-auto AK-47 with the worse 7.62 round. Even a Barrett .50 cal. rifle is legal for purchase these days to civilians. What justification is there for its legality? Its a .50 cal... If used in hunting, the kinetic energy would cause the round to shred your kill. Yes, the argument could be made that at a proper distance, it wouldn't.. but if you owned one, would you really be doing that?

    The only justifiable argument I can see being made about their civilian legal status is that allowing ownership would act as a deterrent to the potential rise of a dictatorship in this country, or possibly for homeland defense purposes (as in, if another country invades, not the governmental department). If such is the case to be made, then why not allow their legality to be under the condition of membership an organized militia only?The solution would not only address the concerns of the paranoid but would also mean that military grade armament would only be in the hands of responsible individuals charged with protecting the freedoms and safety of the populous, such as the armed forces, the various police organizations and then local, trained and disciplined militias. Frankly, I feel militias are extremely out date as asymmetrical warfare tactics have forever changed the nature of forced societal suppression and war in general."
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  • #2
    Re: Gun Laws

    Originally posted by DieselBoy09 View Post
    The first one is why are people against requiring a psychiatric evaluation before allowing gun ownership? I personally feel that it should be required, just as much as I feel that an individual should have to attend a gun safety and proper use course. I personally don't care for firearms, and I wish they were illegal, however, if we are to have them and allow them, why is it so taboo to advocate gun education and screening as part of obtaining them? It in no way restricts a healthy individual from obtaining them, and it would be educational for all those irresponsible individuals in the country who just want to pack a glock.
    As a gun owner and gun advocate (and what most would identify as a conservative), I support this. It certainly isn't going to prevent guns from being obtained illegally, but I still support a more stringent approach to the purchase of firearms. It should be no-brainer, as inconvenient as it may be to some. (Think about Advil Cold & Sinus, I now have to use my driver's license to get some and I can't purchase more than one box in a set amount of time due to the number of people using it to make meth.)

    What I do not support is the notion that all guns should be illegalized. The reasoning behing gun ownership is not just personal/property protection, but the protection against tyrannical governments. It may seem farfetched and redneckish of me, but no one can deny that rights are slowly being taken away - when the time comes that our freedoms are all but gone, will it be too late to revolt? While it's probably not likely, I'd rather have my gun nearby just in case. And for the upcoming zombie invasion. XD

    In addition, I hunt, as there is some good food to be made from the animals I shoot to kill. That is another perfectly valid gun use.

    As for the assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons, I have no good argument for owning them other than, "they're cool." I had an ex-boyfriend who had an AK and it was fun as hell to shoot at stuff (cans and boxes and shit), but it really served no pratical purpose as it was not legal to hunt with it. In military applications, yes. The only practical application I could see was if we had an organized militia of sorts, where if such a revolution as I'd previously mentioned had become necessary, they may be a more powerful means toward that end goal.

    I would not be against a ban on working assault rifles.

    I have to get back to work but I'll check on this thread here and there to respond when I can.
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    • #3
      Re: Gun Laws

      I can obtain a fully functional and fully automatic AK-47 with several magazines of ammunition or Mac-10 or even an Uzi for less than $100 in the UK which shows you how useful a gun control really is. If I went to Eastern Europe or Russia I'd probably be able bring one back for less than $10 and get it through customs without too much difficulty (Hint: The Danish, French and Dutch suck at screening people using a ferry to get anywhere).

      There's so many illegal firearms in the UK, we don't even need a standing army. All you need is to drive out to Nottingham, London or Lincoln and get yourself geared up then go to the nearest school and ask some kids for the anarchist's cookbook so you can make some home made explosives and you're all set for forming a militia to repel invaders.
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      • #4
        Re: Gun Laws

        You don't need to purchase a gun to shoot somebody with a gun, you can "borrow" it from your unsuspecting parents or other adults.

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        • #5
          Re: Gun Laws

          I don't think the problem are guns, but the culture around them and their place in society.

          In places like the US (as I've said many times before) murdering someone is much more socially acceptable than being naked. Using guns and force to get what you want is cool, but using words or trying to reach a good agreement that can benefit both parties is a sign of weakness.

          Etc. etc. etc.

          So it really doesn't matter if there's a ban on assault weapons or not, or how easy it is getting weapons. For as long as the people's attitude towards them doesn't change no amount of legislation will solve anything at all.




          It's like corruption here in Mexico. People complain and do all those useless demonstrations about it, but then when they get stopped for going past a red light they just bribe the cop instead of taking responsability. Same when it comes to taking advantage of that same corruption if it makes things easier for them.

          Hypocritical bastards.

          So yeah, it all comes from the people, everyone has the government they deserve and every society has the issues it itself generates. It isn't bad luck or hatred from the outside, it all comes from the inside and the consequences of what we as a society do 99.99% of the times.
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          • #6
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            Originally posted by Raydeus View Post
            It's like corruption here in Mexico. People complain and do all those useless demonstrations about it, but then when they get stopped for going past a red light they just bribe the cop instead of taking responsability. Same when it comes to taking advantage of that same corruption if it makes things easier for them.
            God this is so fucking true. It's so sad, isn't it?
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            • #7
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              People in most cultures simply like taking the easy way out too much. And we all pay for it.
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by DieselBoy09 View Post
                Even a Barrett .50 cal. rifle is legal for purchase these days to civilians.
                You're not serious... an Anti-Materiel Gun is LEGAL?! That thing is meant for sniping light armor vehicles. Seriously, what the fuck. It doesn't matter where that round hits a person, that body part is GONE.

                I mean unless you're constantly harassed every day by Humvees and AH-64 Apache Longbows... just wtf.
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                • #9
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                  In Saudi Arabia, all guns with the exception of Air rifles (for bird hunting and such) are illegal to buy/sell.

                  HOWEVER if you do have an illegal gun like lets say an AK-47, you can get a permit for it and then its legal.

                  So basically while obtaining the weapon is illegal, once you have it getting a permit for it is a piece of of cake, so people smuggle guns (even RPGs but you can't get a permit for that fortunately.. lol) from Yemen, get permits for em and that's that.

                  The law was established after fire arm ban was issued as a way to control/manage guns that existed in the country BEFORE the ban.

                  However you can walk in with a shotgun with a big "Made in Turkey 2009" label on the barrel and you can get a permit for it, and nobody will ask how you got that.

                  lol

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                  • #10
                    Re: Gun Laws

                    Originally posted by Freelancer View Post
                    In Saudi Arabia, all guns with the exception of Air rifles (for bird hunting and such) are illegal to buy/sell.

                    HOWEVER if you do have an illegal gun like lets say an AK-47, you can get a permit for it and then its legal.

                    So basically while obtaining the weapon is illegal, once you have it getting a permit for it is a piece of of cake, so people smuggle guns (even RPGs but you can't get a permit for that fortunately.. lol) from Yemen, get permits for em and that's that.

                    The law was established after fire arm ban was issued as a way to control/manage guns that existed in the country BEFORE the ban.

                    However you can walk in with a shotgun with a big "Made in Turkey 2009" label on the barrel and you can get a permit for it, and nobody will ask how you got that.

                    lol
                    How do you know this? Are you from Saudi Arabia? Are you in Saudi Arabia? I sincerely hope you are not, and if you are.... you should probably not frequent this website. lawlscopter



                    Here's some .50 cal listings. I can't seem to find the first link I saw a couple of months back that was from a more reputable source, Big 50 Caliber Guns for sale, gun auctions and gun classifieds for Big 50 Caliber Guns at GunsAmerica. Refine your search for Big 50 Caliber Guns with the choices below.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Gun Laws

                      Originally posted by DieselBoy09 View Post
                      How do you know this? Are you from Saudi Arabia? Are you in Saudi Arabia? I sincerely hope you are not, and if you are.... you should probably not frequent this website. lawlscopter
                      In west saudi arabia, born and raised in a playg- Yes, Saudi.

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                      • #12
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                        So are you in Saudi Arabia right now? O_o
                        If so, you're certainly ballsy.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Gun Laws

                          Originally posted by DieselBoy09 View Post
                          So are you in Saudi Arabia right now? O_o
                          If so, you're certainly ballsy.
                          Saudi citizen where else would I be?

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by DieselBoy09 View Post
                            I sincerely hope you are not, and if you are.... you should probably not frequent this website.

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                            • #15
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                              Really naw? I understand the tone coming off wrong, but my tone is of genuine concern. Saudi Arabia is known to imprison those within their own country for expressing opinions as well as what they come across on the internet. While this is certainly not a pornographic website, it at times does have material the government might find objectionable.
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