That old environment...

[Ziero]

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But I like meat =(

Just because the environment probably will regulate itself once we're gone, it doesn't mean we should take the stuff we're doing to it lightly. Just because over a couple of thousand years it'll eventually heal, it doesn't mean we're not screwing over a lot of species that'll have to deal with our mess after we're gone.

Because this mindset fucks everyone over.

No matter how much you do care, the majority of the planet just doesn't. And they probably never will. Which is where the root of the problem is. If people can't even get the Japanese, a first world nation, to stop killing whales by the boatload, what the hell can be done to stop the rest of the world from screwing everyone else over? While I agree it would be nice if everyone cleaned up after themselves, stopped making a mess of everything and saved more then they wasted, it's not something I'm going to go actively worrying myself over. Hell, we can't even live peaceably with ourselves, what hope does the planet have with us in charge?

I mean, I do what little things I can to lessen my own personal footprint on the world, I drive a "fuel efficient" car (only reason I don't have a hybrid is cause they can be stupidly expensive), I unplug things in my house when they're not in use (I hate vampire power), I recycle bottles and cans and paper and all that junk and hell, the majority of my diet is made up of breads and pastas since they're cheap and easy to cook, so I really don't eat all that much meat to begin with.

But am I gonna go sit there and worry about how the world is gonna end or how we're going to ruin everything? Nope, can't do it. Because it's going to happen regardless of how hard we fight or not. It's not a question of "if", but more a question of "how" and "when". I'm not going to kill myself worrying over stuff like that because I can't go and change the world. If you can, then more power to you, if you can get oil companies to stop dicking over electric cars, get cattle ranchers to stop overfeeding cows that ruin the land, get factories all over the world to stop dumping chemicals into the water and air well I'm a-ok with that.

But to actively worry about it all? Nah, I can't really be bothered. I'm too much of a careless dick I guess.

[cidbahamut]

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When this is what most people say nowadays, then you know the end has already begun, in essence. People start deciding that having kids is way too much of a burden and that is what doom sounds like to me.

Sounds about right.

I just don't see the point in adding another person to an already horribly overpopulated and poorly managed world. It's one less person who'll stress resources and grow up to make more bad decisions before dying alone and unloved in a cruel abusive world.

If the world is going to hell in a hand-basket, would you really wish that turmoil on a loved one?
I thought not.

[DakAttack]

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Sounds about right.

I just don't see the point in adding another person to an already horribly overpopulated and poorly managed world. It's one less person who'll stress resources and grow up to make more bad decisions before dying alone and unloved in a cruel abusive world.

If the world is going to hell in a hand-basket, would you really wish that turmoil on a loved one?
I thought not.

You're not worried that global warming et al might have a negative impact on you anytime soon?

[Ziero]

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You're not worried that global warming et al might have a negative impact on you anytime soon?

I'd be more worried about the chances of the gulf of mexico exploding, sending a noxious gas cloud over half the world then I would be about global warming.

[DakAttack]

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I'd be more worried about the chances of the gulf of mexico exploding, sending a noxious gas cloud over half the world then I would be about global warming.

You read that article, too, huh? What about Moscow? They've already got their noxious gases.

[cidbahamut]

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You're not worried that global warming et al might have a negative impact on you anytime soon?

See the thing is: if global warming is at the point where it's going to fuck me over in my lifetime, then it's already too late to stop it. Besides which, the rest of the world's population isn't going to do fuck all to help prevent it so we're screwed anyway.

Best option is still to not bring new people into a world that's just going to give them a swift kick in the pants.

[Lmnop]

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Am I the only idealistic pessimist, here? I want to save the world and choose "loves conquers all" and all that, but I am absolutely 100% a supervillain at heart. The villain always gives his speech about why he's doing the things he's doing and what convinced him to be this way. And then the hero refutes it by saying something like "you wouldn't know! 'cuz you're a dork!" or something equally unconvincing. Humans suck and putting new ones on the planet doesn't seem like something I should be doing.

/joins team Cid

[Ziero]

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You read that article, too, huh? What about Moscow? They've already got their noxious gases.

Oh I read it. The problem is, mainstream media sucks when it comes to relaying scientific facts to the public. They love to blow doomsday theories out of proportion just to drum up ratings and readers. Anyone remember the LHC incidents?

Old image is old

You can't trust any "scientific" discovery you read about in modern news papers. Global warming, even at it's worst, will take far longer to screw up the planet then any of us will be around to see. Hell, maybe our grandchildren might start to see the effects of it become apparent, but even that's debatable.

[TheGrandMom]

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But do we wait until its so bad that any schmuck can see that we are going down the shitter or do we start now? The problem I have is that trying to convince THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET is going to be impossible. I don't think it means that we throw our hands up in the air and say fuck it but I do think we need to be realistic.

[cidbahamut]

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But do we wait until its so bad that any schmuck can see that we are going down the shitter or do we start now? The problem I have is that trying to convince THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET is going to be impossible. I don't think it means that we throw our hands up in the air and say fuck it but I do think we need to be realistic.

So...futile gesticulating and a T-shirt campaign?

Lmnop may be onto something with the super-villain thing. They always seem crazy on the surface, but if you sit down and think about what a lot of them are going on about it's not too far fetched. They're right and recognize the necessity of the evil they execute. Case in point: go read Watchmen.

I may be a terrible person for saying that we're screwed and all efforts to turn the tide are a wasted effort and we might as well not bother, but that doesn't make me any less correct.

[Murphie]

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I just do what I can, and at least I know then if the world is going to shit, that my personal impact was less.

[TheGrandMom]

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I just do what I can, and at least I know then if the world is going to shit, that my personal impact was less.

Agreed.

[Balfree]

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I just saw this bottle of "bird repellant" (SP), with the brand of the product on top: "Mondo Verde", translated to english means "Green World".

The hypocrisy on this product made me feel disgusted... so now the birds are responsible... and here's the solution, in a 10$ bottle of bird-poison...