A question for all those Yu Gi Oh fans out there..

[Pwnagraphic]

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1) That's highly relative.
2) The anime is still incredibly retarded. The games were kid-friendly enough.Why? Pikachu is an awful Pokemon. Why should he prevail all the time using an awful Pokemon?Because even a show as stupid as this still benefits from "plot twists" every now and then. That doesn't make it believable in any way; Ash still wins many, many fights he should have lost badly, through no fault of his own.

Well as stated up there.. It's the way they wanted the show to go. Remember, Team Rocket noted that Pikachu wasn't like other pikachus and that's why they wanted, and continued, to follow and stalk them constantly trying to capture her. I mean Meowth talks for God Sake.. It started off that ash was gonna get 1 of 3.. then he showed up late and got stuck with Pikachu and the willpower both of them have is what lets them win. I do MMA and there's many fights I been in and seen that I should have lost and I prevailed.. soo.. using that small analogy, I can see where the creators of pokemon let them win a lot.

I mean.. the whole concept of animals with powers fighting is retarded.. It's just a fantasy cartoon.

[Armando]

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Team Rocket noted that Pikachu wasn't like other pikachus and that's why they wanted, and continued, to follow and stalk them constantly trying to capture her.

Team Rocket's competence is very, very questionable in the anime. In fact, that anyone in Team Rocket is truly evil besides Giovanni is very questionable; whereas in the games they're a bunch of no-good muggers and thugs that truly don't care who they hurt to get what they want.

I do MMA and there's many fights I been in and seen that I should have lost and I prevailed.. soo.. using that small analogy, I can see where the creators of pokemon let them win a lot.

They are in no way comparable. You don't go from being horribly, horribly outmatched, taking an intense beating against a much better opponent and then win the round in one blow in the real world.

I mean.. the whole concept of animals with powers fighting is retarded.. It's just a fantasy cartoon.

Highly irrelevant. A fictional world still has its own rules. It's what allows people to follow the plot, it's what allows a completely fictional work to be engaging instead of being a string of unrelated and nonsensical events, it's what allows nerd rage Star Trek debates to break out. A work of fiction can't (or, I should say, shouldn't) lay down some rules for how its world works, then disregard those rules seemingly at random.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Remember dude.. its a kids cartoon.. the game wasn't focused around children like the show was.. So TR in the game would of course been so much more sinister.

And have you ever been in an MMA match where you made an outstanding comeback? C'mon man.. it happens. I have seen it.. things can change in an instant in remarkable ways..

And where has pokemon disregarded it's own rules?? It's been a long time since I have actually seen an episode but mention one of the originals and it might ring a bell.

[Durahansolo]

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5an8PKuFaQ"]YouTube - Pokemon D/P Ash and Paul Tag Battle[/ame] I lmao'd at 4:10 and the look on everybody's face at 5:37 so hard "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU????!"This was one of my favorite episodes.

[Armando]

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it happens. I have seen it..

It is not the norm, which is the important bit.

And where has pokemon disregarded it's own rules?? It's been a long time since I have actually seen an episode but mention one of the originals and it might ring a bell.

Let's see. In episode 77 Ash beats an Exeggcutor with a Krabby in the Pokemon league. Stop for a second here. He beat a fully evolved grass type with an unevolved (and rather awful) water type. Then he goes on to beat a Scyther (which is a bug type, and has fucking blades for arms) with, once again, his unevolved Bulbasaur, using nothing but a single vine whip attack. Hmm. Then he gets beaten by a dude with a Butterfree, a Charmander and a Pikachu. In the Pokemon League. Yes, Ash's magical Pikachu loses to an unevolved Charmander (???). And then his Charizard falls asleep in the middle of the match because it doesn't respect Ash despite having all badges (uh, what? Never mind the fact that Ash saved it from an abusive owner and raised it since it was just a Charmander) and loses to the other guy's Pikachu (is it a magical Pikachu too?)

And in all this - where the hell is the Elite Four? Not once do they appear in the Pokemon League. Lorelei makes a cameo later, except she's called "Prima" for no good reason. And every time Ash reaches a new continent he starts over with the scrubbiest, shittiest Pokemon he can find, because he keeps letting his good ones go, and despite his apparent successes as a trainer and his constant "victories" against Team Rocket in every region of the world, no one knows him when he reaches a new town. What should be the protagonists for each new region are relegated to cameos and supporting roles.

Sorry, the show makes no sense.

EDIT: Actually that video Durahan posted is a pretty good example of how fucked up the anime is.

[Mhurron]

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It's what allows people to follow the plot, it's what allows a completely fictional work to be engaging instead of being a string of unrelated and nonsensical events, it's what allows nerd rage Star Trek debates to break out. A work of fiction can't (or, I should say, shouldn't) lay down some rules for how its world works, then disregard those rules seemingly at random.

OMFG, Pwnagraphic is JJ Abrams.

[Durahansolo]

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And where has pokemon disregarded it's own rules??

Earliest ones I can remember:

Ash Vs. Brock, Onyx (Rock Type) vs. Pikachu

Ash Vs. Lt. Surge, Raichu (Missing all of its agility moves lawl) vs under evolved and weaker Pikachu

Pikachu defeats everything, impozzible! Just try to use a lightning type vs a rock type in the game, you'll be raep'd.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulxOVxcpo-M"]YouTube - Ash vs Gary #272 pt. 4[/ame]

^^CHARIZARD BEATS BLASTOISE!!!! LMFAO There are no words for this.

And in all this - where the hell is the Elite Four? Not once do they appear in the Pokemon League. Lorelei makes a cameo later, except she's called "Prima" for no good reason. And every time Ash reaches a new continent he starts over with the scrubbiest, shittiest Pokemon he can find, because he keeps letting his good ones go, and despite his apparent successes as a trainer and his constant "victories" against Team Rocket in every region of the world, no one knows him when he reaches a new town. What should be the protagonists for each new region are relegated to cameos and supporting roles.

Didn't they all kinda show up in random episodes and in none of the episodes I saw that he fought them were they actual sanctioned battles. I mean by now he could've taken his pokemon from the first season and defeated them and went on to the other islands to fight their elite fours.

[Pwnagraphic]

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I asked the same questions about what you said except him beating people with extraordinary odds.. It boils down to the trainer themselves though. Pikachu isn't magical.. just unique. I don't know the deal with charizard.. Maybe since Ash had nothing but stage 1 pokemon and charizard was his only evolved one maybe that has something to do with it?? I dunno.. maybe him being a kid witha charizard had something to do with it too I guess? Ask the creators.

A lot of shows don't make sense.. henced why they're fictional. I mean family guy has plot twists in it also. Like when peter battled his evil twin and Lois killed one and the one she was hugging was in fact.. the evil twin. Then it goes back to normal? It's just how cartoons are. lol

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Earliest ones I can remember:

Ash Vs. Brock, Onyx (Rock Type) vs. Pikachu

Ash Vs. Lt. Surge, Raichu (Missing all of its agility moves lawl) vs under evolved and weaker Pikachu

Pikachu defeats everything, impozzible! Just try to use a lightning type vs a rock type in the game, you'll be raep'd.

YouTube - Ash vs Gary #272 pt. 4

^^CHARIZARD BEATS BLASTOISE!!!! LMFAO

Ash lets Charizard go live with the other Charizards at that one island, but he appears to save the day out of nowhere in Pokemon 2000.

I used to use my Venosaur for every battle regardless of element and still beat my enemies.. I used my Venosaur in a tournament against some kids charizard and beat him.. Just saying. And at the beginning CHrizard carries Golem or whatever his name is into the air.. you can't even do that on the game.

But I see yalls point where they contradict themselves. I couldn't remember which episodes did what since I haven't seen the show since I was 14.

[Mhurron]

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A lot of shows don't make sense.. henced why they're fictional. I mean family guy has plot twists in it also. Like when peter battled his evil twin and Lois killed one and the one she was hugging was in fact.. the evil twin. Then it goes back to normal? It's just how cartoons are.

Family Guy is episodic in nature, one episode has nothing do do with another, sometimes even nothing to do with events later on in the same episode. Pokemon is a complete (or are supposed to be) story arcs where events compound into the final climax.

If it doesn't make sense because it plays fast and loose with their own rules, it really has failed miserably.

[Durahansolo]

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I used to use my Venosaur for every battle regardless of element and still beat my enemies.. I used my Venosaur in a tournament against some kids charizard and beat him.. Just saying.

Were the levels even? Did he use fire moves? Were your stats maxed out, were his? Were you both at full health? I mean seriously I haven't dealt with the newer pokemon games so I can only speak about RBY, but if he used fire spin and fire blast on you you'd have been pretty crispy grass if you survived. Unless you were able to stun or sleep him so you could get off a non-grass related move since it wouldn't do much damage. I'm interested in how this battle went though if you remember.

[Armando]

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A lot of shows don't make sense.. henced why they're fictional

Again, making no sense =/= work of fiction. The show is inconsistent, no matter how you look at it.

And let's not even bring up Family Guy. Family Guy doesn't every try to make sense. That is not "how cartoons are." It's how Family Guy is.

I used to use my Venosaur for every battle regardless of element and still beat my enemies.. I used my Venosaur in a tournament against some kids charizard and beat him..

The other kid sucked, sorry. That or you managed to survive 1 turn (how, I have no idea; I'm guessing the other kid went for the Fire Blast and missed) and kept him asleep forever, since Sleep was broken in RBY.

And at the beginning CHrizard carries Golem or whatever his name is into the air.. you can't even do that on the game.

It was a Seismic Toss attempt, which is, in fact, a legit move. It's in the games and Charizard can learn it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygQ65Xl8uw&feature=related"]YouTube - Seismic toss on a Wailord[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntiuwkNIKU0"]YouTube - Channel Video[/ame]

[Pwnagraphic]

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Were the levels even? Did he use fire moves? Were your stats maxed out, were his? Were you both at full health? I mean seriously I haven't dealt with the newer pokemon games so I can only speak about RBY, but if he used fire spin and fire blast on you you'd have been pretty crispy grass if you survived. Unless you were able to stun or sleep him so you could get off a non-grass related move since it wouldn't do much damage. I'm interested in how this battle went though if you remember.

We were the same lvl. You have to be in tournys. But I just made sure I kept him asleep and as long and as much as I could and I had less health than him cause I took out his previous 2 pokemon with my Venasaur. My skills were just better than his plain and simple. I dont remember my stats though.. I used certain potions that raise your HP, and AP I think. I forgot what they were called exactly.. And in that video it shows that Ash had better skills than Gary. at 3:30 Brock says "FIre can work against water if he is close enough" and only at the beginning of the fight did Blastoise use a water attack. The rest of that fight was physical attacks. And Charizard beat blastoise cause ash used his smarts against Gary. Everyone in the audience was shocked and on the edge of their seat cause he pulled one out of his ass on such a great disadvantage. The writers knew that obviously so they wrote it to where Charizard came out ontop.. Unlike in a videogame where your charizard can't fly around in the air avoiding a hydroblast and heat up the arena.


I wasn't talking about the siesmic toss in general armando.. the fact that ash said "Fly into the air" and then after he did and then he said use siesmic toss.. The 2nd time he told charizard to use it, he didnt instruct him to fly into the air.

[Durahansolo]

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And Charizard beat blastoise cause ash used his smarts against Gary

True, but this would not help you in the game... 1 hydro pump or Surf (I think Surf might be able to one-shot a Fire type. Hell bubblebeam even did epic damage sometimes) and that's all she wrote. I mean the show violates the rules in the game, but i mean when it gets to a certain point...[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su_91F1g-Ss"]YouTube - Pikachu VS Raichu Part 2/2[/ame] skip to 2:00. I mean technically if that is the case you could say "Ash used his smarts to defeat X" where X=anybody.

[Armando]

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My skills were just better than his plain and simple.

Sleeping someone isn't precisely a skill. Sleep was broken in Red/Blue, because the opponent would waste a turn waking up, giving you a heads-up to try to sleep him again. Besides that, the Charizard should've gone before Venusaur (since this is a number-based game, and Charizard is faster) and toasted it in a single Flamethrower. On top of that, Sleep Powder is only 75% accurate. You got lucky it even landed the first time (skill plays no part in this, since it's decided by a random number generator.) Your opponent sucked.

And in that video it shows that Ash had better skills than Gary.

Apparently Ash has better skills than everyone in the Pokemon universe ever since he started. He's a virtuoso, a visionary, someone who can always find a clever ruse to turn any match around.

Or the anime is horrible and he wins every time just because.

I wasn't talking about the siesmic toss in general armando.. the fact that ash said "Fly into the air" and then after he did and then he said use siesmic toss.. The 2nd time he told charizard to use it, he didnt instruct him to fly into the air.

That's how Charizard starts a Seismic Toss in the anime in the first place. He would've had to fly up with it to do Seismic Toss no matter what.At least they're pretty consistent about it, since they love to glorify Charizard.

[Pwnagraphic]

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I haven't played any of the new ones after Silver and Gold.. maybe they changed shit up?? I dunno.. But razorleaf and vinewhip defeated that dudes charizard. I mean I had all 3 pokemon left so I wanted to get it down in HP as much as I could and sacrifice my venasaur.. but never happened..

And ash is the hero of a CHILDS anime. Of course he was gonna prevail dude.. they made it look like he was about to lose and then he comes back and wins so the kids can jump and cheer that the'r cartoon icon defeated someone.. They dont expect little kids to think to themselves "Wait.. thats not consistent!"

And its common sense that he flies first.. but why did ash instruct him to do so when he already does?? Maybe cause golem was using shockwave and the show isnt turnbased like the game?? just saying..

ALso.. His move right off the bat was flamethrower and didnt beat my venasaur lol.. and I never claimed to be highly skilled.. I stated I was more skilled than him. He did suck and therefor I beat him. Sleep worked everytime.. he didnt wake up after every turn.. and his flamethrower was weak.. Plain and simple.