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    USATODAY.com - China makes ultimate punishment mobile

    "CHONGQING, China — Zhang Shiqiang, known as the Nine-Fingered Devil, first tasted justice at 13. His father caught him stealing and cut off one of Zhang's fingers.

    Twenty-five years later, in 2004, Zhang met retribution once more, after his conviction for double murder and rape. He was one of the first people put to death in China's new fleet of mobile execution chambers.

    The country that executed more than four times as many convicts as the rest of the world combined last year is slowly phasing out public executions by firing squad in favor of lethal injections. Unlike the United States and Singapore, the only two other countries where death is administered by injection, China metes out capital punishment from specially equipped "death vans" that shuttle from town to town.

    Makers of the death vans say the vehicles and injections are a civilized alternative to the firing squad, ending the life of the condemned more quickly, clinically and safely. The switch from gunshots to injections is a sign that China "promotes human rights now," says Kang Zhongwen, who designed the Jinguan Automobile death van in which "Devil" Zhang took his final ride.



    State secret

    For years, foreign human rights groups have accused China of arbitrary executions and cruelty in its use of capital punishment. The exact number of convicts put to death is a state secret. Amnesty International estimates there were at least 1,770 executions in China in 2005 — vs. 60 in the United States, but the group says on its website that the toll could be as high as 8,000 prisoners.

    The "majority are still by gunshot," says Liu Renwen, death penalty researcher at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a think tank in Beijing. "But the use of injections has grown in recent years, and may have reached 40%."

    China's critics contend that the transition from firing squads to injections in death vans facilitates an illegal trade in prisoners' organs.

    Injections leave the whole body intact and require participation of doctors. Organs can "be extracted in a speedier and more effective way than if the prisoner is shot," says Mark Allison, East Asia researcher at Amnesty International in Hong Kong. "We have gathered strong evidence suggesting the involvement of (Chinese) police, courts and hospitals in the organ trade."

    Executions in death vans are recorded on video and audio that is played live to local law enforcement authorities — a measure intended to ensure they are carried out legally.

    China's refusal to give outsiders access to the bodies of executed prisoners has added to suspicions about what happens afterward: Corpses are typically driven to a crematorium and burned before relatives or independent witnesses can view them.

    Chinese authorities are sensitive to allegations that they are complicit in the organ trade. In March, the Ministry of Health issued regulations explicitly banning the sale of organs and tightening approval standards for transplants.

    Even so, Amnesty International said in a report in April that huge profits from the sale of prisoners' organs might be part of why China refuses to consider doing away with the death penalty.

    "Given the high commercial value of organs, it is doubtful the new regulations will have an effect," Allison says.



    Local executions

    Makers of death vans say they save money for poor localities that would otherwise have to pay to construct execution facilities in prisons or court buildings. The vans ensure that prisoners sentenced to death can be executed locally, closer to communities where they broke the law.

    That "deters others from committing crime and has more impact" than executions carried out elsewhere, Kang says.

    Jinguan — "Golden Champion" in Chinese — lies an hour's drive from Chongqing in southwestern China, below the green slopes of Cliff Mountain. Along with the death vans, the company also makes bulletproof limousines for the country's rich and armored trucks for banks. Jinguan's glossy death van brochure is printed in both Chinese and English.

    From the outside, the vans resemble the police vehicles seen daily on China's roads. A look inside reveals their function.

    "I'm most proud of the bed. It's very humane, like an ambulance," Kang says. He points to the power-driven metal stretcher that glides out at an incline. "It's too brutal to haul a person aboard," he says. "This makes it convenient for the criminal and the guards."

    The lethal cocktail used in the injections is mixed only in Beijing, something that has prompted complaints from local courts.

    "Some places can't afford the cost of sending a person to Beijing — perhaps $250 — plus $125 more for the drug," says Qiu Xingsheng, a former judge working as a lawyer in Chongqing. Death-by-gunshot requires "very little expense," he says.

    Qiu has attended executions by firing squad where the kneeling prisoner is shot in the back of the head. The guards "ask the prisoner to open his mouth, so the bullet can pass out of the mouth and leave the face intact," he says.



    No debate

    In the United States, some death row inmates and death penalty opponents want the Supreme Court to declare lethal injections cruel and unusual. A recent lawsuit claimed inmates suffer excruciating pain during executions because they do not get enough anesthetic.

    There is no such debate in China, which uses the same three-drug cocktail as the U.S. federal government and most U.S. states: sodium thiopental to make the condemned unconscious, pancuronium bromide to stop breathing, potassium chloride to stop the heart.

    People's Daily and other state media describe the mix as a "non-virulent drug," bringing about "immediate clinical death while inflicting no physiological pain."

    "It doesn't matter what method you use," Qiu says. "If someone is convicted of a capital crime, they should be executed."

    Chinese prisoners condemned to death are not offered a choice of injection over gunshot, but Qiu and others suspect wealth and connections can buy the newer method.

    "It is a real phenomenon that gangsters and corrupt officials are killed by injection more than gunshot, so their bodies are intact, and death is less painful," Liu says. "But I doubt it is government policy. These criminals are usually held in cities, where the injection is used. Common criminals are held in county-level facilities, where shooting is more common."

    Tycoon Yuan Baojing was executed in March in a death van, in northeast China's Liaoyang city. He had been convicted of arranging the murder of a man trying to blackmail him for attempting to assasxxxxte a business partner.

    Sixty-eight different crimes — more than half non-violent offenses such as tax evasion and drug smuggling — are punishable by death in China. That means the death vans are likely to keep rolling.

    "If we abolish the death penalty, then crime will grow," Kang says.
    "



    VAN SPECS

    Cost: $37,500 to $75,000, depending on vehicle's size
    Length: 20 to 26 feet
    Top speed: 65 to 80 mph

    THREE SECTIONS

    Execution chamber: in the back, with blacked-out windows; seats beside the stretcher for a court doctor and guards; sterilizer for injection equipment; wash basin

    Observation area: in the middle, with a glass window separating it from execution area; can accommodate six people; official-in-charge oversees the execution through monitors connected to the prisoner and gives instruction via walkie-talkie.

    Driver area

    Production to date: at least 40 vehicles, made by Jinguan and two other companies in Jiangsu and Shandong provinces
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    A Mobile Execution Chamber, who the hell thought that up.... At least if they break loose in prison they have a chance to be caught escaping the grounds or if they were on a island and did break loose they'd probably drown in the ocean. What are they gonna do when somebody breaks loose in one of the vans, kills everybody inside, steals the van, and gets away (lolLojack)? Nobody thinks of things like this because they can only happen in movies *Goes to write a script.*
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      We need those. I guarantee if we had those crime rates would drop immensely.
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        I don't know, i think the death van is less gruesome than getting shot in the back of the head...
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          Originally posted by Susurrus View Post
          We need those. I guarantee if we had those crime rates would drop immensely.
          It's not for reducing crime... The "executions" are arbitrary and the van isn't an "execution chamber" for criminals, it's a Human Organ Harvester.

          The people executed may have wonderfully crafted stories written by inspired Chinese State authors, but the end result is that:

          1) The state keeps the bodies.
          2) There's no accountability.

          Since the people are criminals and already dead, and since they are also property of the state and in perfect condition (unlike shooting executions) why not sell the perfectly preserved organs to wealthy Japanese consumers?

          It serves as a population reduction method (read: extermination of undesirables at the whim of the state ala Nazi Germany) and a macabre income vehicle for the Chinese State.

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            Originally posted by TheGrandMom View Post
            The switch from gunshots to injections is a sign that China "promotes human rights now," says Kang Zhongwen, who designed the Jinguan Automobile death van in which "Devil" Zhang took his final ride.
            I will say that I don't find the subject funny but the above comment gave me a OMGWTF chuckle.

            Originally posted by Sabaron View Post
            Since the people are criminals and already dead, and since they are also property of the state and in perfect condition (unlike shooting executions) why not sell the perfectly preserved organs to wealthy Japanese consumers?
            There are plenty of consumers from other countries buying Chinese organs on the black market as well. I'm constantly bombarded with advertisements from websites/companies about buying organs. And yes, I have thought about it and there is nothing wrong with that. When you are scared because you have your mortality staring you in the face and an unreasonable antiquated organ transplant system in place, there aren't a lot of options.
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            • #7
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              I would be slightly worried if they had Death Vans driving around North America. It just doesn't seem right, I don't like being so close to something that I know people have and are continuing to die in.

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                Better the prisoners than the tourists.
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                • #9
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                  If these were implemented in America, alot of people would rethink their stance, or non-stance, on the death penalty.

                  This does seem a bit "gruesome" to me, but when you get right down to it, America still puts criminals to death as well. Although I won't even start to claim that America is as callous or eager to admnister capital punishment, or uses it to further the same agendas as China.

                  From a financial point of view, or a crime detterant point of view, those vans are far more effective. Although it does make the act of putting someone to death seem that much more despicable and human life seem that much more devalued.

                  Simply speaking hypothetically, it would be interesting to see how it would open people's eyes to the actuality of capital punishment. Because as it is now, in America, death chambers and jails and lethal injections are as far as possible from the average Americans sight and conscience. These vans would definately bring those things closer to both.

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Omniblast View Post
                    Better the prisoners than the tourists.
                    Its China, I'm sure they get a few of them, too.

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                      Originally posted by TheGrandMom View Post
                      USATODAY.com - China makes ultimate punishment mobile

                      "CHONGQING, China — Zhang Shiqiang, known as the Nine-Fingered Devil, first tasted justice at 13. His father caught him stealing and cut off one of Zhang's fingers.

                      Twenty-five years later, in 2004, Zhang met retribution once more, after his conviction for double murder and rape. He was one of the first people put to death in China's new fleet of mobile execution chambers.

                      The country that executed more than four times as many convicts as the rest of the world combined last year is slowly phasing out public executions by firing squad in favor of lethal injections. Unlike the United States and Singapore, the only two other countries where death is administered by injection, China metes out capital punishment from specially equipped "death vans" that shuttle from town to town.

                      Makers of the death vans say the vehicles and injections are a civilized alternative to the firing squad, ending the life of the condemned more quickly, clinically and safely. The switch from gunshots to injections is a sign that China "promotes human rights now," says Kang Zhongwen, who designed the Jinguan Automobile death van in which "Devil" Zhang took his final ride.



                      State secret

                      For years, foreign human rights groups have accused China of arbitrary executions and cruelty in its use of capital punishment. The exact number of convicts put to death is a state secret. Amnesty International estimates there were at least 1,770 executions in China in 2005 — vs. 60 in the United States, but the group says on its website that the toll could be as high as 8,000 prisoners.

                      The "majority are still by gunshot," says Liu Renwen, death penalty researcher at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a think tank in Beijing. "But the use of injections has grown in recent years, and may have reached 40%."

                      China's critics contend that the transition from firing squads to injections in death vans facilitates an illegal trade in prisoners' organs.

                      Injections leave the whole body intact and require participation of doctors. Organs can "be extracted in a speedier and more effective way than if the prisoner is shot," says Mark Allison, East Asia researcher at Amnesty International in Hong Kong. "We have gathered strong evidence suggesting the involvement of (Chinese) police, courts and hospitals in the organ trade."

                      Executions in death vans are recorded on video and audio that is played live to local law enforcement authorities — a measure intended to ensure they are carried out legally.

                      China's refusal to give outsiders access to the bodies of executed prisoners has added to suspicions about what happens afterward: Corpses are typically driven to a crematorium and burned before relatives or independent witnesses can view them.

                      Chinese authorities are sensitive to allegations that they are complicit in the organ trade. In March, the Ministry of Health issued regulations explicitly banning the sale of organs and tightening approval standards for transplants.

                      Even so, Amnesty International said in a report in April that huge profits from the sale of prisoners' organs might be part of why China refuses to consider doing away with the death penalty.

                      "Given the high commercial value of organs, it is doubtful the new regulations will have an effect," Allison says.



                      Local executions

                      Makers of death vans say they save money for poor localities that would otherwise have to pay to construct execution facilities in prisons or court buildings. The vans ensure that prisoners sentenced to death can be executed locally, closer to communities where they broke the law.

                      That "deters others from committing crime and has more impact" than executions carried out elsewhere, Kang says.

                      Jinguan — "Golden Champion" in Chinese — lies an hour's drive from Chongqing in southwestern China, below the green slopes of Cliff Mountain. Along with the death vans, the company also makes bulletproof limousines for the country's rich and armored trucks for banks. Jinguan's glossy death van brochure is printed in both Chinese and English.

                      From the outside, the vans resemble the police vehicles seen daily on China's roads. A look inside reveals their function.

                      "I'm most proud of the bed. It's very humane, like an ambulance," Kang says. He points to the power-driven metal stretcher that glides out at an incline. "It's too brutal to haul a person aboard," he says. "This makes it convenient for the criminal and the guards."

                      The lethal cocktail used in the injections is mixed only in Beijing, something that has prompted complaints from local courts.

                      "Some places can't afford the cost of sending a person to Beijing — perhaps $250 — plus $125 more for the drug," says Qiu Xingsheng, a former judge working as a lawyer in Chongqing. Death-by-gunshot requires "very little expense," he says.

                      Qiu has attended executions by firing squad where the kneeling prisoner is shot in the back of the head. The guards "ask the prisoner to open his mouth, so the bullet can pass out of the mouth and leave the face intact," he says.



                      No debate

                      In the United States, some death row inmates and death penalty opponents want the Supreme Court to declare lethal injections cruel and unusual. A recent lawsuit claimed inmates suffer excruciating pain during executions because they do not get enough anesthetic.

                      There is no such debate in China, which uses the same three-drug cocktail as the U.S. federal government and most U.S. states: sodium thiopental to make the condemned unconscious, pancuronium bromide to stop breathing, potassium chloride to stop the heart.

                      People's Daily and other state media describe the mix as a "non-virulent drug," bringing about "immediate clinical death while inflicting no physiological pain."

                      "It doesn't matter what method you use," Qiu says. "If someone is convicted of a capital crime, they should be executed."

                      Chinese prisoners condemned to death are not offered a choice of injection over gunshot, but Qiu and others suspect wealth and connections can buy the newer method.

                      "It is a real phenomenon that gangsters and corrupt officials are killed by injection more than gunshot, so their bodies are intact, and death is less painful," Liu says. "But I doubt it is government policy. These criminals are usually held in cities, where the injection is used. Common criminals are held in county-level facilities, where shooting is more common."

                      Tycoon Yuan Baojing was executed in March in a death van, in northeast China's Liaoyang city. He had been convicted of arranging the murder of a man trying to blackmail him for attempting to assasxxxxte a business partner.

                      Sixty-eight different crimes — more than half non-violent offenses such as tax evasion and drug smuggling — are punishable by death in China. That means the death vans are likely to keep rolling.

                      "If we abolish the death penalty, then crime will grow," Kang says.
                      "



                      VAN SPECS

                      Cost: $37,500 to $75,000, depending on vehicle's size
                      Length: 20 to 26 feet
                      Top speed: 65 to 80 mph

                      THREE SECTIONS

                      Execution chamber: in the back, with blacked-out windows; seats beside the stretcher for a court doctor and guards; sterilizer for injection equipment; wash basin

                      Observation area: in the middle, with a glass window separating it from execution area; can accommodate six people; official-in-charge oversees the execution through monitors connected to the prisoner and gives instruction via walkie-talkie.

                      Driver area

                      Production to date: at least 40 vehicles, made by Jinguan and two other companies in Jiangsu and Shandong provinces

                      Har Har Har

                      1) China has about 4x the populous as the rest of the countries in the world. The death toll is more then likely equal to that of Texas, much less America.

                      2) Yes, lets fucking get rid of gruesome ass Firing squad.
                      Firing squad, [yes, please]
                      Do you know why they took away the firing squad in america? Not because it was gruesome. It was prideful. It was a battlers death. A glory death. A death someone could be proud of. It is extremely degrading to die in your sleep to many sub-cultures. Also this "lethal injection" is made of a mix of rare chemicals. Each one of these "cocktails" has a cost to state of well over 500,000 just in ingredients, not to mention costs of manpower, and all other equiptment. Each one of the "lethal injection executions" costs near 1 mill. Also, its 300x more excrutiating then the firing squad. It is tourture. Your unconsious so you don't SHOW pain, but this coctail attacks your mind and trust me, you feel it, and it is HELL. No one simply see's you feel it. Like a horrible terribad headache. No one sees this pain, lest you squint and contort your face in silly positions. That doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. Like hell.
                      Firing squad, [Yes, Please] - 14 dollars.

                      In america atleast. It seem china spends a little for the drug. We spend tons. We also shot them from the front, not to the back of the heads kneeling.

                      3) LETS SIGN ME UP. I drive a death wagon. I'm down for one. I'm a fan of removing scumbags from the genepool.


                      Edit- upon further reading , i see we suck, china rules
                      Last edited by Potemken; 02-11-2009, 02:00 PM.

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                        Who in their right mind would buy chinese organs? They're all filled with lead.

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                          A nice little fact. China exports everything to us. Toys, clothes, dogs, ceral, chinese food. You name it. You know what we export to them? One thing. Metals. You know what they do? Make bombs, guns, and bullets. You know what they are gonna do with them? Kill us. Sweet.

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                            Originally posted by Potemken View Post
                            Each one of these "cocktails" has a cost to state of well over 500,000 just in ingredients, not to mention costs of manpower, and all other equiptment. Each one of the "lethal injection executions" costs near 1 mill.



                            (i hope you dont really think this is factual)

                            *POSTED ABOVE*
                            "Some places can't afford the cost of sending a person to Beijing — perhaps $250 — plus $125 more for the drug,"

                            There is no such debate in China, which uses the same three-drug cocktail as the U.S. federal government and most U.S. states: sodium thiopental to make the condemned unconscious, pancuronium bromide to stop breathing, potassium chloride to stop the heart.
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                              Originally posted by Mezlo View Post



                              (i hope you dont really think this is factual)

                              *POSTED ABOVE*
                              "Some places can't afford the cost of sending a person to Beijing — perhaps $250 — plus $125 more for the drug,"

                              There is no such debate in China, which uses the same three-drug cocktail as the U.S. federal government and most U.S. states: sodium thiopental to make the condemned unconscious, pancuronium bromide to stop breathing, potassium chloride to stop the heart.
                              I have to agree with you there...I don't think that information is factual. In order to preserve the organs for harvesting, their goal will be to bring about the cessation of life without poisoning or damaging the tissue. The easiest way to do that is to use some kind of narcotic or tranquilizer and overdose the criminal. Of course, it would probably be more efficient just to pith them and then keep them on life support.

                              Notwithstanding the organ issue, the Chinese would undoubtedly want to be as cost conscious as possible. I'm assuming that the price is comparable or lower than the cost of the men/bullets currently used in execution.

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