Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

[Feba]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

That is still a "opinion" Feba,

No, it's not. "John McCain is horrible" is an opinion. "John McCain would be doing horribly" is a fact. He'd still have many of the same problems. How much of an impact they'd have, who knows, but he wouldn't be cleaning up.

As for the rest of your post, are you on drugs? I mean, seriously, people have no right to be angry if they didn't vote, but if they did vote they're just angry they lost, unless they won in which case it's their fault for voting for the guy?

[Mystiqsoulchild]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

No, it's not. "John McCain is horrible" is an opinion. "John McCain would be doing horribly" is a fact. He'd still have many of the same problems. How much of an impact they'd have, who knows, but he wouldn't be cleaning up.

As for the rest of your post, are you on drugs? I mean, seriously, people have no right to be angry if they didn't vote, but if they did vote they're just angry they lost, unless they won in which case it's their fault for voting for the guy?

It is a "Opinion" because, he has not one yet and you have no idea what anyone will really do until they are in office. In that case if he was really to do that then yes it would be true. but sense it is not reality, its just a opinion.

Well A) if you didn't vote you didn't contribute to getting the next president so there really is no reason to be mad at something you didn't support. (unless you are underage)

B) Most people when it comes to politics, do tend to get a little pissed off if the person they voted for lost. (look at all the Bush haters, some reasons are valid others are not.)

C) If you voted for the guy and they turned out to be a shit whole president, and you get mad at the fact that he is a bad president, is kind of dumb you voted for him and you wanted him, so hating on someone you voted for is kind of retarded. (in other words lets say Obama does win, and he turns out to be a bad president, a lot of people that DID vote for him will get a little ticked off, which doesn't make sense because you should really know the person before you "Vote".)


A,B,C, is what I was merely saying to you Feba.

[Feba]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

It is a "Opinion" because, he has not one yet and you have no idea what anyone will really do until they are in office.

We're talking about the campaign, and the fact that a majority of people are not voting for McCain. Not how they would function as president.

[Mystiqsoulchild]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

We're talking about the campaign, and the fact that a majority of people are not voting for McCain. Not how they would function as president.

Ok, people said the same thing about Bush in 04, and yet he won, I don't believe poles or anything the only one that matters is the one on Tuesday.
Also, that is why I don't really like the whole political thing, because you don't know what someone will do till they are in office, we have had a lot of bad presidents..because we never know what will happen till they are in the White House.

Also there has only been 3 Democratic Presidents in US History the rest were Republican I think.

[Feba]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Ok, people said the same thing about Bush in 04,

Good god, I've seen goldfish with a longer attention span than you.

[Mystiqsoulchild]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Good god, I've seen goldfish with a longer attention span than you.

I remember watching the race in 04 and everyone was so hyped up about John Kerry winning, and the poles even said that Kerry was winning until the election came across. Or should I refresh your little memory of forgetting things Feba? Also, if had a short attention span Mr Feba, I would of been done with this conversation a long time ago because I would of got tired if your bitch assness. (plus you are the one that seems to get off alot on these forums.) But, anyway, believe what you wish, do what you wish, and I am sure America will love you!

[Feba]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Do you speak English, or do you use translation software like babelfish?

Because I honestly cannot comprehend how someone could be so completely oblivious as to what's going on.

[Nuriko]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Vote Cthulhu in '08! Why vote for the Lesser Evil!

[Mystiqsoulchild]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Do you speak English, or do you use translation software like babelfish?

Because I honestly cannot comprehend how someone could be so completely oblivious as to what's going on.

Who said I am oblivious to what is going on? Who is to not say you are oblivious to what is going on either Feba? I am merely saying that you have not proved to me, or anyone else why Obama should be president, I honestly don't like either candidate I am only voting for McCain because I rather have him then Obama.

That and what I am saying to you is only ment to confuse you and put your state of mind into a state of total agrivation.

Believe me, if I want to piss you off I really know how to do that, and I really think I have out done myself this time by making you a little agrivated.

I also am voting for McCain because, I don't like the independent's or the green party either lol.

[Feba]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Who said I am oblivious to what is going on? Who is to not say you are oblivious to what is going on either Feba?

Ok, back to my earlier train of thought, what kind of drugs are you on and where can I get some?

[Mystiqsoulchild]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Ok, back to my earlier train of thought, what kind of drugs are you on and where can I get some?

I have never done drugs in my life, and I just said I was saying all that to piss you off. I know dumb people, and people that think they know everything about something pisses you off so I played myself that way to get to you simple as that LOL. But, yeah I still feel how I feel about Obama, and his tax cuts. (sorry Feba I am bored)

[Feba]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

I have never done drugs in my life,

I highly doubt this.


Maybe they're just mixing them into your food.

[The Mauva Syndicate]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Oh Jesus... so right after listing off a bunch of socialist programs, you claim we've been a libertarian country? This 'libertarian government' of the last 30 years has increased its spending from 450 billion to around 3 trillion (adjusted to 2000 dollars, the 1978 figure is about a trillion, and this inflation has been brought on by the government). You know that 85 billion they gave to AIG, without Congress' consent? Federal spending was 82 billion 50 years ago. The Treasury gave that to a private company in a single day. The government spends 65 times today what it did in 1930, when adjusted for inflation (if you don't adjust, it's 815 times).

We live under the most costly government in human history. To say anything happening today is a repudiation of small government principles, or capitalism in general, is unadulterated nonsense.

Can you read? Do you know what's been happening for the last 30 years? We have, as I thought I clearly stated a mildly socialist government and Libertarian economics - thanks to Alan Greenspan, an open and loud libertarian. We have not had ANY small government principles since Ronnie Raygun sold his soul to libertarianism - again in the form of Alan Greenspan - and the two of them started dismantling all the checks and controls that existed on the financial system - and we are now left with the refuse of that. Libertarian economics (I could have been more specific, my bad), the economics of greed and stupidity, brought us to where we are today.

And you want to do away with all social services? Education? Social Security? You must be rich and safe - lucky you - and well-armed and ready to shoot - Lucky Us - I guess you also feel no obligation to help your fellow American out. Why bother? nothing in it for you? right?

Soul-less man.

[Malacite]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Have you even read Greenspan's book? The man is a genius and is not at fault for the stupidity of others anymore than say God is for murder by giving Man free will (I'm just using that as an example btw >.> I don't actually believe in God myself)


You want to point fingers? Point them at Al Gore for not running on a platform of paying off the National Debt, Bush for rigging that election, and the congress for not imposing better regulation.

We don't really need more regulation so much as we need smarter regulation. There was an interesting discussion about the economy last week on Fareed Zakaria GPS that I think a lot of you would do well to watch.

More regulation means more people and beauracracy which bogs down the system and leads to corruption. It's all really complex and I don't understand it all myself but I do know that the media doesn't know wtf it's talking about blaming Greenspan for this.

His book was a great read, as it explains just how every economy in the world works, and how adjusting inflation by even 0.5% can have dramatic effects on the economy.

[MrMageo]

Re: Campaign Finance Reform: No, he can't

Hey Feba is it hard to breathe with your head shoved so far up Obama's ass?

You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact, that the policies that both these candidates spew, are not their policies, they are the parties policies. It is why the president appoints staff, it is why the president has advisers.

It is why McCain dumped his campaign staff, they were not doing the job. That is what the president does, he makes sure the people he appoints does their jobs, if they don't they get replaced.

But since none of these people have a job yet you can not say who would do a better job. The main thing is, do you want one party to control every level of government? That is a bad thing to do in a recession, giving a full majority to one party is potential suicide for the country.

You can also not take polls as fact either, they are so bogus and skewed. Hell just look how the Republicans magically found polls that show McCain in the lead or behind by a few points when other polls show Obama ahead by double digits. You can not take that shit as fact because 90% of polls are biased to manipulate peoples opinions. I could go do a poll in a black neighborhood and say well 90/100 voters said they were going to vote obama, guess that means he wins the whole state. Alternatively you can poll 100 white people in another state who 90/100 say im voting McCain. You release them as "fact" or "unbiased" yet you never get to see the names or faces of the pollsters just a number, which is not an accurate display, because it was never an accurate collection of date.

Lastly, the popular vote means jack shit. Obama or McCain can win 60% of the popular vote, but if they don't pull the electoral college numbers then what good was the votes. This alone is why the US political system for president is so fucked up, this is why people don't vote. What is the point of voting if it doesn't count in the end. It should be based on the popular vote and not some special number that some guys deemed fit. It even goes down to the nomination and super delegates, a party could be 75% in favor of somebody and these super delegates can turn around and veto it. It's a stupid system, and that should be the first thing to change. America needs a political reform, it is a 19th century political system trying to keep up in a 21st century world. It isn't working now, it's not going to work after this election, and it definitely won't work if the democrats have control over the whole of washington. As much as Obama and his team of old clinton economists would probably rectify the economic slide, McCain would be the better choice because you need someone who is going to say no to some of the things coming from the hill. A trifecta of control would hurt the country alot more than an ancient man and a hot hockey-mom will.

(I still think Huckabee should be the nominee, he is the only one willing to take on the federal reserve, which is the mastermind behind the whole ecconomic downturn, research it sometime your president doesn't have control over the economy, always mind the man behind the curtain.)