Lest We Forget

[Ameroth]

7 years ago today, one of the largest foreign preemptive strikes on American soil began around 9am in the morning. The events and actions that were to follow have changed the face of history, and the course of America, forever.

Today, 7 years later, have we really gotten any farther on the "war on terror"? Is our country better off now than it was before the attacks?

Finally, to the thousands of civilians that lost their life without cause that day, and the countless more that gave their life to save others: RIP in the fact we have not forgotten.

[Cotners]

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7 years ago today, the largest foreign preemptive strike on American soil began around 9am in the morning. The events and actions that were to follow have changed the face of history, and the course of America, forever.

Today, 7 years later, have we really gotten any farther on the "war on terror"? Is our country better off now than it was before the attacks?

Finally, to the thousands of civilians that lost their life without cause that day, and the countless more that gave their life to save others: RIP in the fact we have not forgotten.

9/11 was a tragic day...

As for your question on the war on terror... short answer, yes. I have been to Iraq twice now and the difference we have made over there just between my two tours is quite impressive. If you care to know, my first tour was in northern Iraq at FOB Marez and Camp Speicher. My second tour was in Baghdad at Camp Liberty.

[Raydeus]

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Did the hundreds of thousands of death Iraqis really make the US safer? Don't make me laugh, maybe Afghanistan progress made things better, but Iraq was all about oil and the Bush's vendetta against Sadam.

Anything resembling to using the 9/11 victims as an excuse for the war in Iraq seems like a big dishonor to them if you ask me.

[Akashimo]

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Anything resembling to using the 9/11 victims as an excuse for the war in Iraq seems like a big dishonor to them if you ask me.

Agreed.

[Cotners]

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Did the hundreds of thousands of death Iraqis really make the US safer? Don't make me laugh, maybe Afghanistan progress made things better, but Iraq was all about oil and the Bush's vendetta against Sadam.

Anything resembling to using the 9/11 victims as an excuse for the war in Iraq seems like a big dishonor to them if you ask me.

I am sorry, but the media has you hook, line and sinker. There is so much more to what's going on then just oil.

Edit: Example I helped to build a school house for the education and reconstitution of Iraqi youth that have been ill influenced by the insurgency.

[Raydeus]

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I am sorry, but the media has you hook, line and sinker. There is so much more to what's going on then just oil.

Oh really? Why don't you shed some light on the situation?

I'm interested in reading how you justify those hundreds of thousands of deaths without resorting to fake documents and bogus weapons of mass destruction reports.

[Mhurron]

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I am sorry, but the media has you hook, line and sinker. There is so much more to what's going on then just oil.

You're right. It's about Jr getting a pat on the back from Sr and getting even for them trying to kill his Pa. It's about defense contractors needing a war to sell more items.

Iraq had nothing to do with planes being flown into two buildings seven years ago, but that's were troops were dumped.

[Cotners]

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I never said money and oil were not large driving factors behind the war, but much good has come out of us being in iraq and afghanistan. The country has it's own government now (though still largely dependent on us). We have performed countless humanitarian tasks, hell, there have even been clean up efforts on some of baghdads streets. Your views af the war are very much third person, mine are first person.

[Mhurron]

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Ah, I understand, the ends justify the means.

Why the need to pretend Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 or spend a year pretending WMD were found/would be found/were found/would be found any day now then?

I suppose I just can't handle the truth.

[TheGrandMom]

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If you haven't watched the HBO series Generation Kill yet, go do so. You can find it on any major torrent site. It's even worth ordering HBO for a month from your cable provider. (It's on HBO on Demand so you can watch it anytime you would like.)

[Cotners]

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Ah, I understand, the ends justify the means.

Why the need to pretend Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 or spend a year pretending WMD were found/would be found/were found/would be found any day now then?

I suppose I just can't handle the truth.

9/11 attacks weren't the reason we entered Iraq, just the last straw. (Al Queida was never much in Iraq anyhow.) We have been maintaining a presence there for almost 20 years now. Iraq was more or less the second gate we had to pass through to establish a foothold into the middle east, Kuwait being the first. Now I am not pretending to know all about Desert Storm and beyond but I do know that fighting terrorism over their is keeping the fight off US soil.

I really dislike how so many people choose to focus on narrowminded politics rather then what is really happening over there. There is such a small percentage of activites in the middle east that actually make the news; the GRAND majority being negative, and everyone is claiming to be an expert.

[DakAttack]

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9/11 was perpetrated by aliens dressed up as Muslims, dressed up as terrorists, in an attempt to destabilize the world so nobody will notice them infiltrating the human species. After boring into your brains, they destroy the part of the your brain that maintains rational thought and then propagates through your saliva as you argue about the war. Once they take over the world, they'll steal our oil and fly off to a different planet to do the same thing.

[Grizzlebeard]

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Circular discussions about Iraq and warmongering presidents and prime ministers aside, today should just be a day to remember the tragic deaths of those people who would otherwise be living their lives today if not for some religious zealots.

[Mhurron]

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The last straw sort of has to be related to the event that it supposedly is the last straw too. Iraq had as much to do with 9/11 as Canada did.

It was a smoke screen. People were riled up and felt they had to do something. They bought the whole WMD, because they were fed that Iraq was indeed behind 9/11 and went in because hell, all towel heads are the same right?

And guess what. The US just as safe/vulnerable as it was Sept 10 and Sept 12, 2001 because where the effort has been spent had dick all to do with what happened on the 11 that caused people to realize the world is a scary place.

Been in the middle East for 20 years? Thats a hell of a legacy. Train bin Laden? Check. Cozy up and support a government in Iran that shit on the people and moved them to want the Ayatollah and his followers? Oh you bet. Piss off all the locals? And how.

Before the US 'went in' to the Middle East most countries there were US allies. The US supported all the worst leaders in the area so they wouldn't go Red and it inspired people in those countries to oust them and support the existing rulers. the 'terrorist breeding ground' was built by the US.

But whatever, expecting anything other then "We're Number 1, we made the world a better place" out of a soldier is somewhat pointless.

[Cotners]

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The last straw sort of has to be related to the event that it supposedly is the last straw too. Iraq had as much to do with 9/11 as Canada did.

But whatever, expecting anything other then "We're Number 1, we made the world a better place" out of a soldier is somewhat pointless.

While Iraq wasn't behind the attack itself. The former Iraqi government was supporting terrorism. While we may have used 9/11 as a scapegoat to enter Iraq, it was with the intention of preventing further like attacks.

If you hate this country so much you are welcome to go to Canada.

This is where I discontinue discussion... I don't feel like bloodying my head against a brick wall.