Palin announced as Republican VP nominee.

[MrMageo]

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You know Feba I hate to agree with you but I will have to. This move and they way things are rolling right now really look like McCain is trying to sabotage the Republicans chances of gaining office.

Like you said this would bode well with his character and his political history of being a bi-partisan, and non hardline conservative (like he is currently pretending to be). Could also be a little payback for what the party did to him back in '00. I mean an attack add against an adopted (black)child claiming that he had an affair is pretty harsh.

It would not suprise me at all if this is what McCain is doing, then in 6 months jump ship to the Dems and call it a career. (I hope this is how it plays out, because I like McCain, not the current fake McCain but the bi-partisan bad boy he was in the 90's and earlly 00's.)

[Yellow Mage]

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Water Breakgate

[Feba]

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Lieberman would have sunk him outright though (nuts! almost had it in the bag) being pro-choice and generally disliked by the party.

Well, possibly, but then what's their alternative? It would've basically been saying "I DARE you to not vote for me" to his base, instead of saying "You really really really should not vote for me" to independents.

[Malacite]

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I saw this earlier on CNN today;

Daily Kos: McCain Throws Tantrum Over CNN Interview


All I have to say is; fucking whiners, they know they're done.

[MrMageo]

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Wow finally a real journalistic interview. I am impressed seriously I did not think the American news media had it in them anymore. I am actually flabbergasted by Cambell's intensity on the subject. That alone hurt the McCain party more than McCain losing it I think. When your spokesperson can not cite 1 single example of his claim that is pretty sad, and rolls over onto the whole unit that are now backing Palin. Ouch Ouch Ouch, good job from a right leaning news station.

[Malacite]

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Wow finally a real journalistic interview. I am impressed seriously I did not think the American news media had it in them anymore.

You've never watched Tim Russert


Also, what happened between Campbel and that douche happens almost all the time whenever they interview Republicans. I don't know if it's just that they can't find anyone decent to debate, or if the whole party simply has their collective heads up their own asses since discovering Neverland in there.

[MrMageo]

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I would say it is the latter, but the same goes for the dems as well, no one wants to make a false comment so most of the time the interviewee are tight lipped. (and I have Malacite, but the journalist is a dying bread, it is nice to see some pop up from time to time.)

[Feba]

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I would say it is the latter, but the same goes for the dems as well,

I actually agree with this. I've never seen an interview with someone working on behalf of a political party that didn't come off seeming like either a nutjob or a propagandist.

[Malacite]

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Jamal Simmons and even James Carter (this guy got Clinton elected, even if he is a bit of a dick) are usually spot on (though I didn't care for that Judas remark he made a while back... seriously not cool)

Ed Shultz is another good guy they have on there from time to time. Do get some on there though that irritate the F outta me @.@ (most of them were HRC supporters) are really are just talking out their ass. But then, I actually bothered to look up the issues and the candidates positions so I have a good idea of when someone's BS'ing


EDIT: Now there's allegations of her trying to push a movement for Alaska to secede from the US...

Daily Kos: State of the Nation



O_O

UPDATE #2: CNN just announced that Obama got his first national security briefing today and that Biden's, McCain's, and Palin's will follow. But she doesn't have a security clearance. Given her and her family's seperatist connections, could this be a problem? What would happen if McCain's vp couldn't get a security clearance? Inquiring minds want to know.

EDIT 2: This just gets better and better, apparently Palin has used over $90,000 of state money to pay her defense lawyer in the ethics probe.


McClatchy Washington Bureau | 09/02/2008 | Palin lawyer, legislator tangling over 'troopergate' probe



What a media shitstorm...

[Feba]

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg]YouTube - Noonan and Murphy on Palin[/ame]

Peggy Noonan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (final paragraph)


"It's over." Gotta love it!

[Malacite]

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[Cometgreen]

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I'd be happy to debate this matter further with someone who understands at least the basics of statistics and American politics

Though this was not directed at me, I'd like to point out what I think we would all agree to be a fact: Karl Rove knows a lot more about statistics and politics than you do.

Regarding Chester A Arthur, your wikipedia summary proved my point. As for FDR, he was less qualified when he was asked to run for VP, and it can be argued that he had less political experience when he was sworn in. Obviously, Assistant Secretary in the Navy does give you a lot of time to order people around, but it's not an elected (nor, as far as I can tell, civilian) position. I also forgot Nixon, who would later have a VP that was less experienced than he was as VP under Eisenhower. Wilson's VP was a lawyer who served one term as Indiana's governor.

History is fun.

Oh please. Nobody has insulted her on the basis of living in Alaska-- they've just pointed out that it has not given her anywhere near enough experience and knowledge to take the presidency.

And that's my point. People living in smaller states are going to think, "hey, why not? I may not live in Callifornya, but my state has problems and important issues too."

But yes, she is ignorant. Not because she's from Alaska. I'm sure there are plenty of smart and well informed people, no matter how deep you go into the wild. She's just not one of them. State will sue over polar bear listing, Palin says: Polar Bear News | adn.com for one, she supports creationism, she doesn't know what the vice president does (again, see the video at the beginning of this thread).

OK, so she's ignorant to the general liberal population. And I don't know why you point back to that video, considering you quoted her question in the same post. "What is it exactly the VP does every day?"

Well? What is it? Bonus points if you can even describe the responsibilities of the VP. It's a meaningless job that was thrown in there at the last minute. Al Gore and Dick Cheney are the exceptions, not the rule.

Bottomline; the Experience argument is now officially off the table, lest the Republicans look like even bigger assholes.

Wow. Just... wow. Talk about completely missing the point. This is pure baiting from McCain's people. They want Obama or Biden to bring up her lack of experience, allowing them to remind the voters of the 'Obama lacks experience' meme. And not to freak you guys out, but she's been in government longer than Obama has.

It's been less than a week, but each day I'm more and more scared that this may actually mean a McCain presidency. As I said, the media and the 'liberal elite' are going to turn off so many people. Scott Horton sums up the strategy nicely (if you need a liberal view point, this guy gets it too). And I haven't watched her RNC speech, as the whole ordeal scares me even more than the DNC convention, but I'm reading it was a slam dunk, at least for the conservatives out there. Obama's only hope, I think, is to actually grow some balls and start denouncing Bush's policies again. But then that would probably require lying on his part.

Lastly, the media bias is not too difficult to figure out. It's not left or right: it's statist, pure and simple. Individuals on the networks might be rightwing or leftwing, but the networks themselves are about supporting the state. They'll support wars, programs, 'safety regulations', etc, whether they're liberal or conservative.

[Bricklayer]

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Scott Horton sums up the strategy nicely

Is this the Scott Horton from Antiwar Radio? Ok, yes, it is (just looked it up). I love that show!

I've heard people say the media has a liberal bias, or that they're completely driven by ratings, but it seems that statist is also a pretty fitting description. It almost makes sense, considering most media businesses are now very large companies (or owned by large companies), which would have much to gain from the government creating large barriers to entry for potential competitors. I'm not totally sure how the media is benefiting from our current foreign policy.... I guess it gives them a lot of interesting stories.

In other news, Tom Woods gave a great speech a couple of days ago that touches on some of the things talked about in this thread, while retaining good entertainment value.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp03n7EkTxo"]Tom's Great Speech (Part 1)[/ame]

I'd also like to pose a question to the resident Obama supporters. Namely, do you support him for his stances (or perceived stances) on civil liberties? foreign policy? economic policy? Or, is it purely a leadership/management skills decision?

Note: I am not a big fan of McCain or Obama, so please don't read anything into the above questions. I'm just curious!

[Malacite]

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As David Gergen pointed out earlier on CNN today, Palin has one major drawback above all else that kills her on the foreign policy experience;

She's only left the country once, and that was to visit troops in Germany (She just got her passport last year)

Why is this significant? Well, only one president in recent times (100 years) has taken office without first visiting other nations to see how they view the world and get perspective on things. Take a guess who. That's right, Bush Jr, and look how bad he fucked up (Gergen was much more polite but he was basically saying the same thing)

This woman is grosely underqualified to take over for Mc Cain should something happen, and it undermines what was once their strongest argument against Obama.

At least Barack's actually traveled and even lived abroad, and sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


Seriously I have to laugh every time I here a Republican say she has Foreign Policy credentials because Alaska is the closest state to Russia.... >_>


Nifty little thing that Pacific Ocean... separating the two countries by how many miles? I mean we all know the Russian invasion of Alaska is imminent right?

[Bricklayer]

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Aren't at least half of the GMD silos in Alaska? Again, I'm not saying McCain is better than Obama, or that Palin is better than Obama (do we REALLY need to have this discussion?). But, Alaska actually does have some importance in US-Russia relations. Does that mean Palin has Foreign Relations experience? Not at all. Of course, Russian invasion of any US State is probably not high on the list of Foreign Policy responsibilities or priorities for any elected official.

Hate to have to ask this, but can you name one good thing the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has done since the Democrats took over Congress? Of course, doing a "good" thing could be "not doing a lot of bad things" (which Congress loves to do).

Why is this significant? Well, only one president in recent times (100 years) has taken office without first visiting other nations to see how they view the world and get perspective on things. Take a guess who. That's right, Bush Jr, and look how bad he fucked up (Gergen was much more polite but he was basically saying the same thing)

If the 100 years thing is true, considering the number of ill-advised, undeclared (meaning Congress delegated responsibility to the Executive) wars we've been involved in over the last century, I don't think travel experience is exactly a compelling qualifier for holding office.