Obama Picks Biden

[DieselBoy09]

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I don't much care for Biden personally. It would have been a little funny to see Obama slap HRC in the face if he had chosen Bill, it would have put experience behind his camp (I don't think Bill could resist) and would have drawn in more HRC democrats, but alas it is only my fantasy.

[Malacite]

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Bill couldn't be his VP anyway, it's against the constitution since if something were to happen to Barack, he'd take over and he can't since he's already served 2 terms.

[Kitalrez]

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Technically not true. TR started his presidency by serving out McKinley's term, (he was shot very soon after getting elected). While the rule that limited terms to two didn't come into effect until WWII, it was still considered McKinley's term, even though he wasn't alive to serve it. Term limits don't come into effect in cases of assassination, I believe.

[Cometgreen]

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Two years+ is considered a full term for the presidency. So the most a person can serve as President under the current Constitution is just under 10 years. Should the next VP be sworn in before Jan 21 2011, he could only serve one more term as President. If he's sworn in after, he can serve two more terms.

[Feba]

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Bill couldn't be his VP anyway, it's against the constitution since if something were to happen to Barack, he'd take over and he can't since he's already served 2 terms.

This is very shaky ground. Simply, we don't know what will happen because it hasn't happened (and likely will never come up) so we don't have a court ruling on the matter. There is nothing to say, though, that a VP who has already served as president could not simply turn down the oath and pass the responsibility to the next person in line for the presidency.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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People actually wanted Hillary as anything?

The hell...?

[Karinya]

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The plain text of the 22nd Amendment only bans being *elected* President after you have served two terms (or one and more than half of another, if you succeeded to the Presidency during someone else's term). You can still run for VP (or any other office in the chain of succession) or use the Ford Maneuver to avoid elections altogether.

Being elected President isn't the only way to become President (and no, that isn't a George W. Bush joke).

In practice, the Constitution means what the Supreme Court says it means, but attempts to weasel around the word "elected" and say "but the 22nd Amendment really means become president, when it says be elected president!" tend to sound just as lame as they are.

[Malacite]

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I didn't want her up there, I just think she'd excite people more.

It's like Bill Maher said, every time the Democrats get up there they just settle in and never do anything spectacular.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I didn't want her up there, I just think she'd excite people more.

No, she would have driven away more people. She ran an awful campaign and she'd rather help take away more of our freedoms than preserve them.

[Caspian]

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Gallup Daily: No Bounce for Obama in Post Biden Tracking
found this kinda funny, not that I think when McCain picks a running mate that it will help him, either.

[Feba]

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From what I've been reading, it doesn't sound like McCain has any good options for VP. Heck, I've seen groups of people who support McCain explaining why all of the options they propose are crappy.

As for the lack of a Biden bounce, that could be any number of things. The biggest thing imo would be Clinton supporters who are just unsure of where to go from here, so I'd wait for a few days, once Hillary has had a chance to speak with them. She could very well make or break the election.

Also, I know I've posted it here before, but FiveThirtyEight.com: Electoral Projections Done Right . It's just juicy juicy numbers.

[Caspian]

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She could very well make or break the election.

Oh, thats for damn sure. If she doesn't do her job tonight, it could be over before it ever really gets a chance to start.

Personally, I think Romney is McCain's best choice for a VP, but thats me. He helps solidify the more conservative Republicans that are wary of McCain. He's said he won't pick a pro-choice candidate, so that leaves Giuliani out. I like Huckabee as a man, but don't think he has what it takes to work in the executive branch.

[Feba]

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I think the reason they (the McCain supporters previously mentioned) thought Romney was bad was because it leaves him too open to attacks, or something along those lines.

Also, did McCain actually say he wouldn't pick a pro-abortion VP? I remember the whole saddleback thing about being an anti-abortion president and having an anti-abortion administration, but that doesn't necessarily mean that his VP has to be anti-abortion. All it really promises is the general direction of his administration, not who's in it. Although I suppose if people are assuming that, it essentially locks out the choice since it would be seen as a betrayal.

Sidenote: I say pro/anti-abortion not because of my stance on the issue but because it's newspeak and I want no part in it. Pro-life implies that people who approve of abortion hate [the] life, which is rarely the case; and Pro-choice implies that people who disapprove of abortion are simply against giving women choice, which is rarely the case. Pro/anti-abortion only biases you as your view on the subject.
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FiveThirtyEight.com: Electoral Projections Done Right: Today's Polls, 8/26

Here's a bit of what I was talking about.

[Karinya]

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You think a ticket of the rich guy and the even richer guy, who have a great plan to cut taxes where the richer you are, the bigger tax cut you get, might be open to some sort of attack? On what kind of basis? XD

Anyway, I think the liberals in the party would have liked to see a liberal picked, but will put up with it because McCain is so much worse that almost anything else doesn't matter by comparison with keeping him the hell away from the ability to start WWIII (and that's not even discussing his domestic policies!).


One thing I'd like to know is what Biden's view of the powers and responsibilities of the vice presidency is. We really don't need another grey eminence.

[Malacite]

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Romney would make the most sense for them, especially since it will give him more credibility for the next elections (though if Obama wins he'll likely win the next as well)