Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

[Nataka]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

Sabaron, it's really not nice to judge people like you are. There are SO many factors you cant possibly take into account. On top of that, it's a heck of a lot easier to look from the outside of an event and nitpick what could have been done.

For instance, when you have NO weapon, and there's a guy with a BIG BLOODY KNIFE stabbing some guy and you do not know how strong he is in comparison to yourself, what do you think you're goign to do? Especially if you had just woken up? I'm sorry but the odds are against whoever would attempt to save the guy, it's only logical they ran. Does it suck? YES, It's TERRIBLE that they could do nothing and I'm sure a good chunk of them are thinking how they might hav ebeen able to save him. It's probably going to haunt them for a long time as well.

Don't be so callus as to judge these people. You have no right to judge these people. The same thing applies to the 9/11 tragedy, you were NOT there and thsuly have NO right to judge their actions.

[Icemage]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

Ok, recess time is over. Please take the aggressive posting into PMs if you must attack one another.


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[pixiehawk]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

My question is, not what's wrong with the dude that stabbed the guy... That's obvious...

What the FUCK is wrong with the other people on the bus?!

Some dude starts stabbing someone on the bus and you....

(a) Stop him.
(b) Run like a complete wuss out of the bus and let the kid die and be decapitated.

The people on the bus chose (b): Let him kill the kid....

Fuck them all, they deserve to be traumatized.

I would gladly watch all of the other passengers be slaughtered in a similar manner in exchange for a single person who would stand up and be that kid's hero. I'm amazed that out of the 50 people on that bus, all of them were spineless assholes that would sooner watch you die than expose themselves (collectively) to the threat of a single knife-wielding maniac.

Of course, you realize that this means that I could probably conquer and become tyrannical ruler of Canada with some gumption and a pen knife....

When my cousin took his black belt test 7 or 8 years ago one of the questions asked was what would you do if someone came up to you with a knife. They all talked solo with the instructor/tester on what they would do-but you could tell they were all talking about what moves they would do to disarm the attacker. When they were all done the instructor/tester said they had all FAILED that question. The proper thing to do is to RUN.

You are deriding strangers, who you have no knowledge of (if they are fit or handicapped, young or octagons, if they know how to fight at all, or have never even played a video game, etc) for doing something a black belt instructor told his black belt trainees to do (even if the bus passengers didn't know it). Once the bus was cleared of all the people who should have gotten out of the way the people who could most reasonably handle the situation went to see if they could help. The couldn't (and they would have just blocked the exit for those that couldn't help if they'd tried prior to everyone else exiting) so they did the next best thing and held the man captive until the cops (you know, those nice folks trained to deal with the situation, not random people) got there.

[Sabaron]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

When my cousin took his black belt test 7 or 8 years ago one of the questions asked was what would you do if someone came up to you with a knife. They all talked solo with the instructor/tester on what they would do-but you could tell they were all talking about what moves they would do to disarm the attacker. When they were all done the instructor/tester said they had all FAILED that question. The proper thing to do is to RUN.

That's a completely different question and the instructor's answer in this situation is correct. If you are threatened with a knife, the best option is to flee. If you enter into combat with the attacker, then one of you might die or be seriously injured, but if you run away, no one gets hurt. I used to do Tae Kwon Do in college and the same answer came up for getting into fights--the best option in an aggressive situation is flight--only fight if you can't flee. However, there is a difference between getting into a fight and fighting to save the life of another who is in dire need.

In this situation, the attack is already in progress and it's not self-defense. It's in defense of another. I doubt the instructor would give the same answer in the given situation.

You are deriding strangers, who you have no knowledge of (if they are fit or handicapped, young or octagons, if they know how to fight at all, or have never even played a video game, etc) for doing something a black belt instructor told his black belt trainees to do (even if the bus passengers didn't know it). Once the bus was cleared of all the people who should have gotten out of the way the people who could most reasonably handle the situation went to see if they could help. The couldn't (and they would have just blocked the exit for those that couldn't help if they'd tried prior to everyone else exiting) so they did the next best thing and held the man captive until the cops (you know, those nice folks trained to deal with the situation, not random people) got there.

I think you mean octogenarian not octagon, an octagon is a shape and octogenarian is a person in their 80's. I doubt very highly that everyone on the bus is an invalid, a child, a pregnant woman, in their 80's, mentally handicapped, etc, but it's quite possible that they are all completely lacking any type of combat skill. If this is the case, then it represents a lacking in personal defense skills. I wouldn't go so far as to put 80-year-olds on the roster, but older people can still practice martial arts, especially softer, defensive arts like Aikido and Judo and Tai chi chaun as these focus on redirecting one's opponents energy rather than expending ones own. Of course, the failing there is that most of the art is geared toward personal defense which would require you to be under attack.

This is one of the reasons I favor the addition of elective martial arts to public schools. Not only is it great for building self-discipline and physical aptitude, but it provides for a more generally defensible population. It's rather scary to think that so few people in a given segment of the population have no aptitude for combat of any kind. If you were to try that were I'm from, you'd have 4-5 guys on you at least within a minute. Fights don't last very long in my hometown. They get broken up by the people around very quickly. Although, in general, such things are defused prior to any blows being exchanged because the intended participants are restrained before they get a chance to act. Obviously this situation is different, but that kid would certainly not have been stabbed 50 times and decapitated. I'm sure that he would have been injured, but he may not have died.

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There's another thing I want to mention: There's a certain segment of the population that, gruesome though it may sound, would rather watch that kid die than expose themselves to any measurable risk. I believe this is what is going on. You can tell if you are this kind of person by examining the following scenario:

You are driving down the interstate and you see a man waving his arms standing near a late-model van parked on the side of the road. There is no visible smoke or damage. He looks haggard and disheveled mid-30's. It is the middle of the night and there are few cars on the road at this time. Do you stop?

There's an obvious modern answer to the question, but we'll pretend that cellphones don't exist.

Answer the question first and then unscramble the following for additional information:

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[Feba]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

The question:
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???!?!?
The answer:
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Sabaron: While we're ignoring modern technology, let's also ignore the car. Now OBVIOUSLY if this man is out here in the middle of nowhere, he got there on his own feet. You cannot simply ignore cell phones like that. Hell, even if it were half a decade ago, you cannot ignore pay phones. Simply, if someone were a potential threat to me, I would take measures to protect myself before I put myself in danger. For the lifetime of pretty much everyone here, the best solution is to call the police and let them deal with it. In the middle of a busy city? Sure. Where a criminal would be discouraged? Yes. Out in the middle of nowhere? No way in hell.

[Satimasu]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

You could go with that there might not be a signal in the area. I go through that all too often. Least dropped calls and more bars my butt...

[Feba]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

I've actually never been in an area where I can't connect to at least roaming on my phone, and I find the likelyhood of that ever happening on any highway I'm traveling down being very low.

[Satimasu]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

Oh? So, you're like the Verizon guy and have been all over the country? Guess you beat me. I still have a few states I haven't been to. I know at least once in every state (being generous) I've lost my signal. Unless you have some sort of super antenna on it to get you a signal wherever you are, there is plenty of highway that doesn't have it. I know this. I've been through it.

[Aksannyi]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

My dad's house is one big dead zone. No cell phone service, no high-speed net available, not even regular cable TV. (They have to have satellite). It sucks ass. I couldn't possibly live in such an uncivilized manner for more than a few weeks.

[Sabaron]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

I thought about going with the no signal thing, but I figured most people (Feba excluded) would be able to imagine the pre-cellphone world.

It's the same basic concept--you have no instant access to contact authorities.

[Feba]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

but I figured most people (Feba excluded) would be able to imagine the pre-cellphone world.

Hell, even if it were half a decade ago, you cannot ignore pay phones. Simply, if someone were a potential threat to me, I would take measures to protect myself before I put myself in danger. For the lifetime of pretty much everyone here, the best solution is to call the police and let them deal with it.

Then contact them anyway. Unless a person is in need of help, and very unlikely to be a threat (bleeding profusely, for example), the police are better equipped and trained to help them.

[Audioma]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

My dad's house is one big dead zone. No cell phone service, no high-speed net available, not even regular cable TV. (They have to have satellite). It sucks ass. I couldn't possibly live in such an uncivilized manner for more than a few weeks.

LOL! I've come to that point with my reliance on technology. That's not changing any time soon.


Noe interwebz? Hao u haz phuhn?

[Sabaron]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

Then contact them anyway. Unless a person is in need of help, and very unlikely to be a threat (bleeding profusely, for example), the police are better equipped and trained to help them.

You're still trying to ignore the basic concept. When was the last time you saw a payphone on the interstate?

[Feba]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

When was the last time you saw a payphone on the interstate?

Well, actually, I've seen quite a few highways with emergency call phones. But I wasn't talking about payphones on the interstate, I was talking about driving to the next stop, next town, next gas station, whatever, and calling from there.

[pixiehawk]

Re: Crazed Passenger decapitates seat mate - or WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE???

I might stop the car. If all the doors were locked and I had my foot on the gas. I would then crack the window and ask what happened. Anything odd, I'd hit the gas and go. That is the advice I've gotten for 20 years. Don't stop for strangers, don't pick up hitch hikers. Ever!!

I'd then tell the man that while he seemed nice, I'm not nuts and there is no way to know a stranger flagging you down in the middle of the night wasn't nuts either. I'd let him know that as soon as I got in cell range or to the next town I'd call the authorities and have them come out, and that I'd note the next mile marker so I could get them within a mile of where he's at.

Then I'd drive on. But I'm a smaller than average woman, and if I'm alone there's no way I'm going to put myself in danger. If I saw immediate danger to the stranded man I might change my mind, but it'd have to be a decision I made on the spot. There is just no way to know if the guy on the side of the road is the kid with the ipod, or the freak with the knife.