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Pfft, well I'm here to flaw your correct thoughts! >:OOriginally posted by Feba View PostComment
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Well, you folks can all think however you like. But living in such a small box of ideas is kind of punishment for me. Sorry to entertain the idea that there are people in this world that don't just push everything to the extreme.
it was in response to not enjoying the taste of alcohol and refusing to drink it because of just that.Originally posted by TheGrandMom View Post
I know right. Good thing our society is smart enough to outlaw marijuana as well! That happens all the time when I get stoned!Originally posted by Raydeus View PostLast edited by Ameroth; 07-23-2008, 02:40 PM.
PLD75 DRK60 lots of other levels.
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Originally posted by ArmandoOriginally posted by ArmandoOriginally posted by TaskmageMatthew 16:15Originally posted by TaskmageComment
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Middle path, anyone?
Although it is admittedly difficult to take the middle path when it comes to alcohol. You might as well not spend the money on it if you're drinking with no purpose.
It's called arguement to moderation, but I don't believe an arguement was actually made against moderation.Originally posted by Yellow Mage View PostComment
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No it's not.Originally posted by DakAttack View Post
Well, maybe it is if you're an idiot.Comment
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So you're just wasting your money when you could just drink something cheaper?Originally posted by Mhurron View PostComment
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I have no issue with middle ground. Hence:Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
Originally posted by AmerothIt's not like I'm really even trying to stir up some debates. There were just an awful lot of people giving their opinions on the evils of alcohol (which I don't deny), and so I present my alternative approach.Originally posted by Ameroth
PLD75 DRK60 lots of other levels.
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You know, this is the kind of article that concerns me. I work in a state liquor store for the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control in Utah. Utah is kind of like Oklahoma in it's attitude towards liquor. It was founded by Mormons, who originally were some of the West's best rye whiskey distillers. Mormon doctrine includes the "Word of Wisdom" which forbids among other things: tobacco, alcohol, hot drinks, and caffeine. This wasn't originally canon, but has since become so, (hence the "originally were"). Since Prohibition ended, the state has had a liquor monopoly on everything except beer weaker than 3.2% alcohol by weight, (other states are by volume, which would be about a 1% difference per 100 beers consumed). Which means that every strong drink has to pass through a state liquor store at some point. Liquor licensees all get their liquor from the state. You can get almost anything you want here, although you may have to special order it. (Worst case scenario if you want something somewhat obscure is you'd have to find a distributor, buy from them, have it shipped to the state warehouse, and pay taxes on it. If it sold well, it might make the Legislature's list for approved stocked items next year, depending on if we dropped enough slower moving liquors this year). The DABC is controlled by a council of about a half dozen members which reports directly to a legislative committee, the majority of this council does not drink. As bad as the vids you've found are, here's what the other end of the spectrum is like:
First up, Here's a SLWeekly article on what it's like to serve alcohol here Pay particular attention to the use of the "cub" or planted minor in a sting opperation, as well as the "Comments" section actual citizens and readers are responding in. Enforcement very rarely busts a bar or club here for complaints that are outside of a sting environment. Stings are set up randomly, and they tend to pick busy nights or other ways of stacking the deck against the bar itself. If you can be distracted or misdirected so that you have the appearance of breaking the law, that's as good as actually breaking it. They use this exact tactic against the state liquor stores themselves. Life sucks here if you're a cashier. This, and the fact I can lift a 50 lb wine case over my head are why I work in the back whenever possible.
While I respect our TT's here, in this state M.A.D.D. is the enemy. MADD lobbies for the enforcement, which would probably be sensible if MADD was made up of victims or friends and family members of victims of drunk drivers, as it is in other states. Here it's mostly supported by Mormon High School kids who are uncomfortable with the way state demographics are removing them from the majority religious/ethnic position and need an outlet. We also have parents of those kids, and parents who used to be those kids. They prevent drunk driving by preventing drinking period, and this in turn provides a convenient screen for these kids to fight back against the rest of the state. MADD was probably founded in this state with pretty noble intentions, but it has been co-opted badly since then.
What I think the solution to the problem is, is not cracking down on drinking period. Nor is it particularly helpful to make it more difficult to get a drink. What I think we need is instead to create a responsible "drinking culture". France and Italy kind of have that now. You have wine, with food, and you don't have to drain the entire bottle in one sitting, or add six or seven of his friends to the order. You drink, you enjoy, you stop drinking. Britain doesn't have this, they're kind of the extreme on that. I think it stems from the Imperial eras, back when the only real painkillers you had were alcohol, (hence the use of "rum rations" in the British army). Now we have bottles of aspirin and codeine, back then those were unheard of, you used rotgut. You'd have soldiers and officers coming home with lingering painful wounds, they treated them with what they had, alcohol, and the attitude that alcohol would cure everything got passed down to kids and grandkids. You started drinking to ease pain, and before too many generations you ended up with people binging on "liquid painkillers" for everyday stress and the like. You'll notice that both Germans and Belgians drink a lot of beer, but they don't seem to have the problems Britain does.
Also, while I respect the fact that many of you don't like the taste of alcohol, some of us do. I just bought a bottle of Balvenie 10yr from our discontinued list. It's scotch whiskey, if you didn't know. Dark scotch, too, none of that distilled down 'til it's smooth and clear. Some of you are saying, "Ick, that tastes like iodine and peat!" Yup, and with any luck it'll also have some nice flavors from the sherry cask it was finished in, a little hint of charcoal, some minerals in the water, etc. I like finding these surprises. I enjoy "chewing" my scotch to get all these hints out. I consider people who enjoy smoother liquors like Glenlivet to be weak, and only empty headed pussies drink Maker's Mark. Enjoying a drink is an achievement, something you have to work up to, like good cheese. You should be able to discover something new and interesting when you try a liquor you haven't before. If you don't, what's the point?
Anyway, that's my 2 cp. Trust me, as bad as you think binge drinking is, the other end of the spectrum is not worth it.Comment
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