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    Video shows bystanders ignoring hit-and-run victim

    HARTFORD, Conn. - A 78-year-old man is tossed like a rag doll by a hit-and-run driver and lies motionless on a busy city street as car after car goes by. Pedestrians gawk but appear to do nothing. One driver stops briefly but then pulls back into traffic. A man on a scooter slowly circles the victim before zipping away.


    The chilling scene — captured on video by a streetlight surveillance camera — has touched off a round of soul-searching in Hartford, with the capital city's biggest newspaper blaring "SO INHUMANE" on the front page and the police chief lamenting: "We no longer have a moral compass."

    "We have no regard for each other," said Chief Daryl Roberts, who on Wednesday released the video in hopes of making an arrest in the accident that left Angel Arce Torres in critical condition.

    However, Roberts and other city officials backtracked on Thursday. After initially saying he was unsure whether anyone called 911, he and other city officials appeared at a news conference in which they said that four people dialed 911 within a minute of the accident, and that Torres received medical attention shortly after that.

    City Council President Calixto Torres said viewers of the 1 1/2-minute videotape might mistakenly believe that no one helped.

    "I think this moved too quickly," he said. "I think it moved too quick and we were putting information out that was incomplete. What I think was missing is the fact that this happened in a very short period of time."

    Roberts said his initial angry reaction was based on what he saw in the video. "The video was very graphic and sent a very bad message," the police chief said.

    The hit-and-run took place in daylight last Friday at about 5:45 p.m. in a working-class neighborhood close to downtown in this city of 125,000.

    In the video, Torres, a retired forklift operator, walks in the two-way street just blocks from the state Capitol after buying milk at a grocery. A tan Toyota and a dark Honda that is apparently chasing it veer across the center line, and Torres is struck by the Honda. Both cars then dart down a side street.

    Nine cars pass Torres as a few people stare from the sidewalk. Some approach Torres, but no one gets any closer than a couple of yards and no one attempts to stop or divert traffic until a police cruiser responding to an unrelated call arrives on the scene after about a minute and a half.

    "Like a dog they left him there," said a disgusted Jose Cordero, 37, who was with friends Thursday not far from where Torres was struck. Robert Luna, who works at a store nearby, said: "Nobody did nothing."

    One witness, Bryant Hayre, told The Hartford Courant he didn't feel comfortable helping Torres, who he said was bleeding and conscious.

    The accident — and bystanders' apparent callousness — dominated morning radio talk shows.

    "It was one of the most despicable things I've seen by one human being to another," the Rev. Henry Brown, a community activist, said in an interview. "I don't understand the mind-set anymore. It's kind of mind-boggling. We're supposed to help each other. You see somebody fall, you want to offer a helping hand."

    Gov. M. Jodi Rell said the video is "beyond chilling."

    "There seems little question that the driver of the car that struck Angel Arce Torres on May 30 knew what happened," she said in a written statement. "Almost as chilling is the reaction of some passers-by who did little in the moments after the crash to assist Mr. Torres."

    The victim's son, Angel Arce, begged the public for help in finding the driver.

    "I want justice for my father," he said. "He's a good man. He's in pain. The family is in pain."

    The hit-and-run is the second violent crime to shock Hartford this week. On Monday, former Deputy Mayor Nicholas Carbone, 71, was beaten and robbed while walking to breakfast. He remains hospitalized and faces brain surgery.

    "There was a time they would have helped that man across the street. Now they mug and assault him," police chief said. "Anything goes."

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    Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

    cracked.com — 5 Psychological Experiments That Prove Humanity is Doomed

    In this case specifically #4 The Good Samaritan Experiment (1973) and #3 Bystander Apathy Experiment (1968).
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    • #3
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      Both explained by the phrase "Litigious Society."
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      • #4
        Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

        The problem is the suing culture.

        I am a certified first aider, I am trained to a reasonable standard to give a reasonable amount of first aid care until paramedics arrive on the scene to take over. Howrver in this wonderfull suing world, if I make a mistake while providing that care, even though I could be saving teh persons life, I can put myself into a danger zone where I can be sued.

        Unfortunately what is described in that article has happened a few times in the Uk. No one wants to risk anything, your constantly watching your back.

        On top of that society today is so self centred that the fuck him I'm ok attitude is rife and people ignore things. One incident in Nottingham was a rape, in broad daylight, the victim a 14 year old girl was being raped and molested on a street, a group of 4 burly guys in their 20 witnessed this and just walked past. Apparently the person who called the police was a shop owner in the shop across the street from the scene who's CCTV picked it up and thankfully the guy raping the girl got 10 years in chataux deef.

        The 4 blokes could ahve easily over powered the guy, but just ignored the whole thing.

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        • #5
          Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

          I saw that video yesterday. The guy on the motor bike who circles back just to take a look? Made me physically ill.
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          • #6
            Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

            I'm sure the litigous society plays into it, but the two psychological experiments I referenced took place before that attitude had escalated anywhere near the point that it's at today.
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            • #7
              Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

              Originally posted by Taskmage View Post
              I'm sure the litigous society plays into it, but the two psychological experiments I referenced took place before that attitude had escalated anywhere near the point that it's at today.
              Actually, it's exactly the same problem. Read the good Samaritan test. The influence over if they stopped or not was not what they learned or knew, it was how much of a hurry they were in. Students were given an assignment, some were given more time then others to do it in. School is expensive, students need to work hard and ignore everything else to succeed. Those that had the time were more likely to stop, those that didn't, wouldn't. It simply replaced the danger of suing with that of failing.

              The 'experiment' proved that people for the most part will not engage in actions against their own well being when the action is perceived as possibly screwing them over for the rest of their life. Well, no shit sherlock.

              It also highlights the fact that sociological experiments are often bullshit, completely ignore the obvious and are only experiments in the fact that they tried something, but that's another problem all together.
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              • #8
                Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

                I started to type a counter but basically we're in agreement and there's no sense quibbling over details.
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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Taskmage View Post
                  I started to type a counter but basically we're in agreement and there's no sense quibbling over details.
                  But that's what the internet is for.
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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Mhurron View Post
                    But that's what the internet is for.
                    I disagree
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                    • #11
                      Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

                      Originally posted by Mhurron View Post
                      But that's what the internet is for.


                      At any rate, if I'm on my way to work and see a broken, bleeding old man on the side of the road I'm pulling over and making sure he gets to a hospital as fast as possible. If I get fired for that I'll just show them a lawsui- ACK NO D:
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                      • #12
                        Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

                        If it really came down to feeding your family (very bad economy where getting another job is next to impossible) or helping some random stranger, especially when you could not only loose your job but be sued such that any savings would be removed from you, I'll put money on people walking by every time.

                        And honestly, if you did stop you'd be worse then someone who didn't stop.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

                          Originally posted by Mhurron View Post
                          If it really came down to feeding your family (very bad economy where getting another job is next to impossible) or helping some random stranger, especially when you could not only loose your job but be sued such that any savings would be removed from you, I'll put money on people walking by every time.

                          And honestly, if you did stop you'd be worse then someone who didn't stop.
                          You lose.

                          Family is a problem. I'd have no problem living on the street if it was myself, but I can't make the same choice for my kids. Still though, I'd stop. I accept that some must die that others might live, but while I can stomach the idea that a cow had its life stolen so I could eat this roast beef sandwich, I don't think I could appreciate living in a comfortable home playing Wii with the kids if I knew I'd let an old man die alone in agony to keep that lifestyle.
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                          • #14
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                            I won't even watch that video because it will make me physically ill. I had a row with my husband in the car recently over something similar. I'm the type to pull over and take hurt animals to the vet and such and he absolutely hates it. Well we were coming down a busy road when, ahead of us, he saw a guy changing his tire. The man was quite close to the road and the tire he was changing was on the same side as the road. My husband was muttering about what an idiot he was when a local store's delivery truck hit the man. It was weird how it happened because he didn't hit him full on but grazed him so that he spun the man around and the guy was actually standing/leaning on the hood of his car in the end. Well my husband just kept going and I was screaming at him to pull over. I eventually started to smack him about the head and shoulders to get my damn point across until he pulled over. He still hates it when I make him pull over but at least now he does it when I tell him to. LOL

                            Originally posted by Taskmage View Post
                            I don't think I could appreciate living in a comfortable home playing Wii with the kids if I knew I'd let an old man die alone in agony to keep that lifestyle.
                            I'm with TM on this one.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Hit-and-Run in Hartford street, no efforts made to help victim.

                              I have a friend who is a nurse. We were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. She said that she would NOT stop for a couple of reasons:

                              1. Lawsuits - that is pretty much self explanatory

                              2. Statistically, more people get hurt helping others than the person who got hurt. She said when she was an emergency room nurse, she saw MANY cases of people that were brought in who had stopped to help someone who had been hurt, then had gotten hurt themselves. Including one man who was killed trying to help, and another who had both legs amputated on the spot when another car came up and hit him into the previous car.

                              This does not preclude calling 911, which according to the article, was done.

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