Yes We can

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Here's my thing:

Celebrities SHUT UP and let the candidates speak for themselves.

You want to raise awareness about a pressing issue, fine, dont make nudges in regards to whom I should vote for, I'll research and decide myself, kthx. I'm sure Obama is flattered, but its help he probably doesn't need. I'm still looking into his views, but he seems like a good pick from the Democratic side.

As far as the Republican side goes, I've liked McCain for his last few tries and would like to see him get on the ballot this time around.

Shit, I'd like to see two people on a presidential ballot that I like for a change, instead of the way its usually is - two sleezy big-money bastards with different party names. I definately have had enough of presidential dynasties, so pardorn me if I don't want a second helping of Clinton after the second helping of Bush.

[Malacite]

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Romney's a good guy though, certainly better than Mc Cain. The guy's way too old #1, he's been caught outright lying on tape (watch last Sunday's webcast of Meet the Press with Tim Russert, absolutely amazing show and the source for the real info on the campaign) and quite frankly, is IMO bat shit crazy when he talks about being in Iraq permanently and making the Bush Tax cuts permanent.

Yeah, like the wealthy really need more tax breaks. If nothing else (other than his impressive record) don't forget that Romney's a Mormon. These people are among the most noble/trustworthy in America and the guy's specialty is economics, which is always the most crucial aspect in any presidential race. It's been that way since the beginning and it always will be.

The USA has a 13 trillion annual economy, and in reality, all this talk about out sourcing jobs and even the war to an extent isn't much (though it really is wasteful spending on a grand scale on a war that was started in violation of international law.) I like what Huckabee says about abolishing the IRS and implementing a GST like we have in Canada, but I seriously doubt that (or universal health care for that matter) will ever take in the USA.

Romney's one of the few candidates (alongside Obama) who seems to know that the real problem lies in broken infastructure and absolutely horrible trade deals. NAFTA was a piece of crap, and it's high time we got a better deal that works for both Canada and the USA. Mc Cain is just too old, and too old fashioned IMO to get the job done. I applaud him for his service to the country, on and off the battlefield but his time is long past. If he really wants to do some good he should bow out and run alongside Romney as his VP. That would be a killer combo.


Much in the same way Obama/Cinton would be. Much as I'd rather see Edwards as his VP (because of his knowledge of economics and his stances on the issues) the guy just isn't cut out for it at this point. It was nice to see him bow out with grace to spend time with his (basically dying) wife.


As for celebrity endorsements, Obama needs all the support he can get. He's gotten endorsements from a lot of big names; Oprah, Sen. Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Bradley, Jack Cafferty (well, he hasn't said it but the guy is very clearly in support of Barack) and just recently Maria Shriver and Joan Baez.

Hilary's got a machine going, and anything that comes Barack's way to slow her down I'm grateful for. It's just not her time, especially not after the negative crap she pulled in the last few weeks. She's done a lot of good for the country and she'd make a great president I'm sure, but this is Barack's moment in the sun.

[Feba]

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These people are among the most noble/trustworthy in America

So are you saying we shouldn't vote for Obama because black americans have a higher crime rate?

[Pai Pai Master]

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The media hasn't given me enough reason to hate Obama yet, so I don't really know how I feel about any of this.

[Feba]

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Pai Pai: You could always look at the smear campaign the Clintons are running.

[Thoris]

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I love Politics and i can say 1 thing, He is way to young and wet behind the ears. I would like see a Hillary/Obama Ticket. It will give him the 4-8 years of experence he needs to run the country.

I also feel like he tells people what they want to hear, but that is every one.

I feel he uses other peoples answers instead of his own. I also have to say i would not be surprised if he does become Predident somone does try to kill him.

There are alot of Asses out there.
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"Yeah, like the wealthy really need more tax breaks. If nothing else (other than his impressive record) don't forget that Romney's a Mormon. These people are among the most noble/trustworthy in America and the guy's specialty is economics, which is always the most crucial aspect in any presidential race. It's been that way since the beginning and it always will be."



I dont trust him...

Look at his eyes, i know how to judge people, His eyes tell a Diffrent story... The say Rommey gets in the day i leave

[Yellow Mage]

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The USA has a 13 trillion annual economy, and in reality, all this talk about out sourcing jobs and even the war to an extent isn't much (though it really is wasteful spending on a grand scale on a war that was started in violation of international law.) I like what Huckabee says about abolishing the IRS and implementing a GST like we have in Canada, but I seriously doubt that (or universal health care for that matter) will ever take in the USA.

Romney's one of the few candidates (alongside Obama) who seems to know that the real problem lies in broken infastructure and absolutely horrible trade deals. NAFTA was a piece of crap, and it's high time we got a better deal that works for both Canada and the USA. Mc Cain is just too old, and too old fashioned IMO to get the job done. I applaud him for his service to the country, on and off the battlefield but his time is long past. If he really wants to do some good he should bow out and run alongside Romney as his VP. That would be a killer combo.

Actually, this outsourcing thing is a huge issue for me. We buy a bunch of Chinese made crap, and it's just money out of our economy, and even more money in theirs, as they are unfairly and artificially devaluing their own.

Plus, all it does is add to our already mythical national debt, anyway.

Pai Pai: You could always look at the smear campaign the Clintons are running.

Those have the inverse effect of what's intended, don't they?

[Malacite]

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So are you saying we shouldn't vote for Obama because black americans have a higher crime rate?

Okay, that's a rather nasty low blow don't you think? I wasn't implying that at all. Generally speaking I find it's the people who go looking for racism in this manner who are the real racists.

Or am I wrong, or have you forgotten I'm a staunch Obama supporter? Don't go making retarded, baseless statements like that Feba it's demeaning to us both.


I'm not saying the outsourcing ins't impacting anyone, of course it's hitting people hard, particularly in Michigan, but it's not as huge an issue as the media makes it out to be. It's just a drop in the bucket compared to the horrendous trade deals in place with China and other countries. Oh yeah, and for the record, had Al Gore won the national debt would have been gone by 2002. Bill Clinton left the USA in such good shape to get it done, and it was Gore's platform. How people didn't go for that over Bush back then is truly staggering.


As far as Obama not being experienced enough, look at his record as a Senator, as a State Legislator and all the work he did in Chigaco for those steel workers who lost their jobs. It's like he says, he won't just be ready on day one, he'll be right on day one. HRC was for the war (though to be fair, with good reasons. Bush just abused his power) and she already tried reforming health care back when Bill was in office and failed miserably. The special interest groups brought her down hard, and I don't see how this time will be any different.

[Yellow Mage]

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Okay, that's a rather nasty low blow don't you think? I wasn't implying that at all. Generally speaking I find it's the people who go looking for racism in this manner who are the real racists.

Or am I wrong, or have you forgotten I'm a staunch Obama supporter? Don't go making retarded, baseless statements like that Feba it's demeaning to us both.

You do know he was referring to you citing the fact that Romney's a Mormon, right? If you would prefer, I'll use the more polite form of what he was saying:

"What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?"

I'm not saying the outsourcing ins't impacting anyone, of course it's hitting people hard, particularly in Michigan, but it's not as huge an issue as the media makes it out to be. It's just a drop in the bucket compared to the horrendous trade deals in place with China and other countries. Oh yeah, and for the record, had Al Gore won the national debt would have been gone by 2002. Bill Clinton left the USA in such good shape to get it done, and it was Gore's platform. How people didn't go for that over Bush back then is truly staggering.

Just so you know, they did.

[Vyuru]

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Yeah, like the wealthy really need more tax breaks. If nothing else (other than his impressive record) don't forget that Romney's a Mormon. These people are among the most noble/trustworthy in America

For the record, and coming from someone who was in the Mormon Church, this is so totally wrong.

While I wouldn't say that you could judge all Mormons by what I have seen, I would also say that given their history, and from what I hear in some places, it is really inappropriate to be calling them the most noble/trustworthy people in America.

Not saying all Mormons are bad, just don't be painting them with that kind of a broad angelic brush either.


That said, my only issue with Obama is his anti-war bring the troops home stance.

Now while I'm not a fan of the war, doesn't it seem like we should stay and try to help them get their country back in order before pulling out? It really seems poor form to barge in their, disrupt their lives, and then pull out with what sounds like the situation halfway to being stable.

I generally don't follow the news that closely, so my assessment of the situation could be wrong, but that is my general concern.

[jwalton]

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Your assessment is accurate enough. And really, I find the promises of pulling out of Iraq to be rather empty. There's too much at stake. With that in mind, I support Obama as a candidate anyway.

[Pai Pai Master]

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Now while I'm not a fan of the war, doesn't it seem like we should stay and try to help them get their country back in order before pulling out?

Nah. Britain didn't stay, and the middle east turned out just fine and dandy.

"Bringing the troops home" is a popular stance with the American people right now. That's what Americans want, so unfortunately that's probably how it's gonna go.

[Caspian]

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Troops are going to start coming home with the next president regardless of which party they belong to.
Tax cuts for the wealthy? Unless a miracle happens and they get rid of income tax in favor of the 23% sales tax that would be a godsend, I'm all for a universal tax bracket. Tax brackets scare people off of taking risks with new businesses or working extra hours. I still don't get why you take more of someone's money because they're successful and good at what they do. Especially when they have the most money to put back into the economy and keep it going strong.

[Malacite]

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For the record, and coming from someone who was in the Mormon Church, this is so totally wrong.

While I wouldn't say that you could judge all Mormons by what I have seen, I would also say that given their history, and from what I hear in some places, it is really inappropriate to be calling them the most noble/trustworthy people in America.

Not saying all Mormons are bad, just don't be painting them with that kind of a broad angelic brush either.


That said, my only issue with Obama is his anti-war bring the troops home stance.

Now while I'm not a fan of the war, doesn't it seem like we should stay and try to help them get their country back in order before pulling out? It really seems poor form to barge in their, disrupt their lives, and then pull out with what sounds like the situation halfway to being stable.

I generally don't follow the news that closely, so my assessment of the situation could be wrong, but that is my general concern.

Troops are going to start coming home with the next president regardless of which party they belong to.
Tax cuts for the wealthy? Unless a miracle happens and they get rid of income tax in favor of the 23% sales tax that would be a godsend, I'm all for a universal tax bracket. Tax brackets scare people off of taking risks with new businesses or working extra hours. I still don't get why you take more of someone's money because they're successful and good at what they do. Especially when they have the most money to put back into the economy and keep it going strong.

That's one thing I really like about Mike Huckabee. It's a great idea, but unfortunately I seriously doubt it will ever fly.

At least Barack wants to switch it around and put higher taxes on the wealthy and give a break to anyone who makes $75,000 a year or less, and cut out income taxes altogether for seniors making less than $100,000. He also wants to raise the mimimum wage every year for as long as it takes to fight off inflation.

Hmm, I heard different but whatever. He does have a very good record regardless. I still think he'd make a much stronger Republican candidate than Mc Cain. Not that I'd vote for either of them


Taking the troops out of Iraq is good! If you'd been paying attention you'd know that the Iraq government has basically been riding on the blank cheques from the bush government. It's time to force them to get their acts together and focus on America's problems. I mean shit, hasn't anyone in the administration seen Laurence of Arabia?!

[Caspian]

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The problem with raising minimum wage is that the price of all products will go up too. Companies have to pay their minimum wage employees more, so they pass on it on to the consumer. All shipping goes up so basically anything you'll ever buy jumps in price accordingly. So basically minimum wage people are back at square one, and everyone else who made above minimum doesn't get a raise and their cost of living versus how much they make goes up.

As for Huckabee, I think he's a great guy, but I know lots of great guys who would make terrible presidents.