Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

[Feba]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Really? Which codon is the sexuality gene on?

Obviously we don't know the specifics of the human genome yet, but scientists have successfully manipulated the Fruit Fly. See http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/science/03cell.html for a start

[Legion]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Im a devout atheist if thats not an oxymoron. Atheism is a spiritual belief just like any other and hey whatever gets you through the day. Any form of agnosticism was lost in me the day a vicar told me that my mother died at the age of 46 because she didnt believe in god or go to church.

If religion works for you then thats fine cosy yourself up and rejoice in the fact that all unbelievers are going to a place they dont believe in. Hey you could be smug about it, but only a little or it could be sinful.

Let Ledgers' family mourn their loss.

[Thoris]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

It has something to do with Hormone mis balance from when your in the womb. That is what i read recently.

[Murphie]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

It has something to do with Hormone mis balance from when your in the womb. That is what i read recently.

Cite? Because I am inclined to say that it doesn't have anything to do with that.

[Thoris]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Obviously we don't know the specifics of the human genome yet, but scientists have successfully manipulated the Fruit Fly. See http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/science/03cell.html for a start

Just wow, thanks for the read....

[Caspian]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Obviously we don't know the specifics of the human genome yet, but scientists have successfully manipulated the Fruit Fly. See http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/science/03cell.html for a start

In a fruit fly, a species that depends solely on instinct, yes. Also, just as easily supports what I said that a person's biochemistry may play a role but isn't the sole determining factor in humans.

Legion: I'm sorry you were told that. Thats complete crap.

[Feba]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Atheism is a spiritual belief

No, it isn't. It's a belief on spirituality, but there is nothing spiritual about atheism.

Calling atheism "spiritual" or religious is like calling bald a hair color.

[Legion]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

spiritual belief or belief on spirituality. That sums up almost all beliefs of all kinds and is a matter of perspective. Your statement is pure sophistry

[Feba]

In a fruit fly, a species that depends solely on instinct, yes. Also, just as easily supports what I said that a person's biochemistry may play a role but isn't the sole determining factor in humans.

Of course humans aren't guided entirely by instinct, but asking a homosexual to find someone of the opposite sex attractive isn't any different from asking you find ugly attractive. Beauty might be very much in the eye of the beholder, and that ideal of beauty can be shaped by culture and society, who the person knows, but also very much is deeply rooted in biology. You might not like it, but there are many signs pointing to homosexuality being at least partially genetic and biological.

Your statement is pure sophistry

Better that than a downright lie.

[Legion]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Of course humans aren't guided entirely by instinct, but asking a homosexual to find someone of the opposite sex attractive isn't any different from asking you find ugly attractive. Beauty might be very much in the eye of the beholder, and that ideal of beauty can be shaped by culture and society, who the person knows, but also very much is deeply rooted in biology. You might not like it, but there are many signs pointing to homosexuality being at least partially genetic and biological.

Agreed

What people seem to forget is that we are nothing more than highly sophisticated mammals, subject to the same urges that all animals are. Homosexuality and hetersexuality is abundant in the animal kingdom particularly in herd animals such as ourselves, about the only thing that we do that isnt natural is abstinence (unless you include the evolutionary dead end which is the Panda)

[Caspian]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Of course humans aren't guided entirely by instinct, but asking a homosexual to find someone of the opposite sex attractive isn't any different from asking you find ugly attractive. Beauty might be very much in the eye of the beholder, and that ideal of beauty can be shaped by culture and society, who the person knows, but also very much is deeply rooted in biology. You might not like it, but there are many signs pointing to homosexuality being at least partially genetic and biological.

Like I said, I think that is does play a part, but is not the sole determining factor. I do think that biology and genetics may make it more likely for you to find someone of the same sex attractive, but thats still a long way from out and out homosexuality. I know its not a popular opinion, but I do think its a sin, and like all other sins some people struggle with it more than others, and in some cases not at all.

EDIT: dammit feba, use the edit button

[Feba]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

I do think that biology and genetics may make it more likely for you to find someone of the same sex attractive, but thats still a long way from out and out homosexuality

If only thinking had the power to make things real, huh? That would be real nice for all those homosexuals out there who are persecuted, wouldn't it? They could just choose not to be gay!

I know its not a popular opinion, but I do think its a sin,

This has nothing to do what I consider of you thinking it's a sin. I could care less if you considered breathing a sin, as far as I'm concerned, sin does not exist.

What annoys me is when people replace things which can be shown scientifically because they don't like them. I don't like the implications of quantum mechanics, but that doesn't mean I can just deny the obvious observations that are made concerning the subject.

EDIT: dammit feba, use the edit button

no u.

[Murphie]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Seriously. What is sin to those who don't believe in it? You may as well say that homosexuality is a unicorn.

Actually...

[Legion]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Better that than a downright lie.

I believe not to believe in a God or a pantheon of Gods.

Just because atheism has no set canon does not stop it from being a spiritual belief

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Church to protest Heath Ledger funeral.

Well, there's one silver lining in the cloud, sort to speak.

The airlines can use the extra money from all the crazies going to Australia to protest the funeral. Maybe the companies would ask for less federal monetary assistance now--we need the dough to pay for the stimulus package anyway. Or Iraq war. Or Social Security. Or something else.

Someone please send that nutty church a telegram to encourage it to fly out more people to Australia. (Unless they caught up with the e-mail generation? E-mail would be fine, in that case. Or, text message them if cell phones aren't sinful.)