Oh Hell Yes! I Called It Baby!

[Yellow Mage]

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Because you have to be crazy to be anti-establishment and still think you can get elected in this country.

Can't blame the guy for trying, though.

[Murphie]

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The Gold Standard thing? That's not necessarily the direction it will go--if you want, you can already buy "a second currency"... It's called friggin gold coins... They already have them. The US makes them. How is "having a secondary gold standard currency" any different from what we have now? Answer? It's not. The value of the dollar is based on "faith and trust in the US Government" which means it's just paper. If the government of the US dissolves, all your paper is just paper. Now, currency value is based on the relative amount of currency in circulation and on GDP comparisons, demand for it, etc.

In the end, what you base the value of your currency on is irrelevant. It's essentially a tool for determining the relative values of goods and services. Ron Paul thinks that changing the way currency circulates will help improve it's value. I'm not certain that's the case. Also, the gold standard thing does not appear in his platform. He's in favor of reforming the way currency is handled but not necessarily it's foundation.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/debt-and-taxes/

The idea that is reflected in the OP target is based on statements Paul made in the 70's.....which is a bit behind the times, also Paul stated that he wouldn't go back onto the gold standard even then... Paul is an advocate of the Austrian School of Economics which you can read about extensively online if you like. Alan Greenspan is a "Randroid" in that his economics are based on the writings of Ayn Rand. Economic theories abound and are quite varied.

If you only read the OP you kind of missed the bulk of the discussion. It's so much more than the whole gold standard thing.

There was a third thread, but I couldn't find it. Honestly, I'm kind of tired of the subject, and no offense, but FFXIO is not exactly a hotbed of intelligent debate (a few posters excepted), so we may as well just drop it.

[LilithAngel]

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Religion and Politics. Bad juju for casual conversations. It's been said before, and will probably be said again...

[Malacite]

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Guess that leaves Mitt Romney SoL?

[Sabaron]

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Guess that leaves Mitt Romney SoL?

Who?

I seem to have a slight recollection of someone of that name...but from where...and in what capacity...


Seriously though, Ron Paul is only popular on the Internet where all of his support can converge on a single point.

Everywhere else, people are only interested in Party Generica, anything other than the status quo frightens and infuriates the sheep.

Not that Libertarians aren't necessarily sheep too... They're just on a less popular team. Every political party has them--visit a political debate forum for a couple weeks at least. You'll always find some smart people with good ideas and some total morons who always degenerate any good discussion into a flame war...

[Murphie]

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Religion and Politics. Bad juju for casual conversations. It's been said before, and will probably be said again...

Exactly. And this forum, while great for specific game related conversations and casual conversations about anything else, isn't really equipped for debating issues outside the realm of the effectiveness of a particular weapon, or the relative use of a % increase of a particular stat.

Seriously, Sabaron (re: support mostly on the internet). A big part of that, too, is that it's easier for nerdy kids on the internet to consider themselves Libertarians, because it doesn't require that you have a real connection to how things actually work, or pesky things like other people, etc.

[Zoltar]

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the Iowa caucus meant nothing, as Barack/Huckabee won't be the leads for their respective parties.

/thread.

btw, Ron Paul IS a loon and neither dems nor repubs like him. (did you notice no-one besides Bill Richardson acknowledged him at last nights debate)

[Malacite]

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the Iowa caucus meant nothing, as Barack/Huckabee won't be the leads for their respective parties.

I don't know about Huckabee, but Obama will win the presidency. Take a few minutes to listen to his speeches, do a little research on the guy and you'll see.

Hilary is sunk. She's all talk, and represents the status quo. That dog won't hunt!

[jwalton]

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The biggest problem with Obama isn't what he stands for... but the fact that he's black. I'd like to be proven wrong, but I think there is a significant number of people who will not vote for him because of the color of his skin, much like there are those that won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman (completely aside from those that won't vote for her because they don't trust her). Maybe I think this way because I'm in the middle of Alabama, a state filled with a rather large concentration of ignorance and racism, but that's honestly how I feel.

He has my vote, and I actually want to be proven wrong, but I don't think Obama will be the next President of the United States. Worth a shot all the same, though.

[Murphie]

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I have the same worry.

[Feba]

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A big part of that, too, is that it's easier for nerdy kids on the internet to consider themselves Libertarians, because it doesn't require that you have a real connection to how things actually work, or pesky things like other people, etc.

*shakes fist* Not caring about other people is the first step to successful politics!

On a serious note though, I have to agree-- everyone I see supporting Ron Paul seems to be very much a sheep. "He's going to change EVERYTHING!". Many of them don't seem to have much knowledge about him besides that he is going to "fix America" and that all their friends are totally for him. He honestly feels very much like a MySpace candidate-- people don't really like him, or have their own reasons for joining, but they're in because their friends are in.

Jwalton, I don't think that's going to be a big deal. There surely are people who would vote against him for that (I think something like 92-94% of Americas have said they'd vote for a black president), but there's also a significant amount of people who will vote for him because of it -- blacks, people who just want to see a black president within their lifetime, and so on. I agree that Hillary doesn't really have much of a chance... mostly because she's a bitch, though.

[Sabaron]

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The biggest problem with Obama isn't what he stands for... but the fact that he's black. I'd like to be proven wrong, but I think there is a significant number of people who will not vote for him because of the color of his skin...

Those people are probably die-hard republicans anyway, so they wouldn't vote for him if he was white.

[Zoltar]

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aside from his racial background, a lot of people have issues with him not standing for the Pledge of Allegiance (he's muslim and doesn't acknowledge our flag) and the fact that he was sworn in as Senator with the Koran and not the Holy Bible. That in itself has set a lot of people away from him.

I don't think he's got a chance to be honest. I think John McCain stands a far better chance because he will begin to finish what has been happening in Iraq.

[jwalton]

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Obama is not Muslim. That was part of a smear campaign by Insight Magazine and Fox News, and has been an urban legend ever since. He is Christian. Unfortunately, the damage has been done and there are misinformed people all over who still think he's going to sell us out to Islam or some other craziness. Not that it should even matter to begin with. First amendment, and all that.

[Malacite]

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On the note of his race, keep in mind that his huge win in Iowa was in a state that has a 93% White populace.

Racism and ignorance aside, his big win their is turning heads, and when (not if) he does it again in N.H., he'll have all the momentum he needs to build that support.