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    The UK, Australia and New Zealand have sharply criticised Japan for the launch of its largest ever whaling expedition.

    The hunting fleet has instructions to kill up to 1,000 whales. Humpback whales will be hunted for the first time in over 40 years.

    Japan says the hunt is for research purposes and that numbers are too small to have a major impact on populations.

    New Zealand PM Helen Clark said this claim was "deception" and that the whalers should not have left port.

    The Japanese whaling fleet set sail on its five-month mission from the southern port of Shimonoseki on Sunday.

    As well as up to 900 minke whales and 50 fin whales, it will kill up to 50 humpback whales for the first time since a moratorium was introduced in 1963.

    The species had been hunted almost to extinction before the ban.

    'Guise and deception'

    Mrs Clark told local media it would be better if the whaling fleet had stayed at home

    She criticised "the guise, the deception, the claim that it is scientific whaling when they want to take 1,000 whales".

    Mrs Clark added that it would be difficult for New Zealand to offer help if any of the ships got into trouble at sea.

    The Australian government has also expressed disapproval, saying it is "deeply disappointed" by the launch of the expedition.

    Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said there was no evidence of Japan producing any data from its research.

    "Scientific whaling is a phrase they use to camouflage the fact that they still indulge in whaling," he said.

    He said he had asked to see the Japanese ambassador but he ruled out deploying military defence forces, saying that Australia would not go to war with Japan over the issue.

    His comments followed a suggestion by the opposition Labor party that they would send the Australian navy to track the fleet if they were elected in the imminent elections.

    Diplomatic action

    Britain has said it is considering high-level diplomatic action to protest against the hunt.

    A spokeswoman from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) said the government believes the humpback hunt is unnecessary and that it has "serious reservations as to its scientific value".

    "We are committed to maintaining the moratorium on commercial whaling and will oppose all efforts by Japan to undermine this with so-called scientific whaling," she said.

    The hunt has drawn strong opposition from environmental and conservation groups.

    Greenpeace is hoping to locate the fleet in order to shoot video footage, but claims the ships have turned off their identification equipment, making them hard to find.

    The more radical Sea Shepherd group said its activists will attempt to intercept the ships once the hunt is under way.

    The expedition is scheduled to run until mid-April 2008.
    Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this issue or if they've even heard about it from their regional media. Does any among you feel strongly about the slaughtering of these intelligent, majestic, and endangered creatures enough to boycott Japanese products as sign of protest for example?

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    I have to admit, I think it's pretty ridiculous. What "scientific purposes" could killing up to 1000 whales serve?

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      eh. Don't honestly care that much, and I normally care tons about the environment. If it was a big deal, people should've been bitching long ago.


      boycotting Japanese made products for this is silly-- it's not going to stop them, just hurt legitimate businesses. If you want to attack all of Japan economically, there are far better reasons than this.

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        Originally posted by Murphie View Post
        I have to admit, I think it's pretty ridiculous. What "scientific purposes" could killing up to 1000 whales serve?
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          See, it's attitudes like that that are going to cause the wholesale destruction of earth in the 23rd century by a giant alien probe.

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            The only thing that bothers me about it is that it was supposed to be for scientific purposes. ....for scientific purposes my ass. I'd rather they said they just wanted to hunt some whales.....

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              I'm fairly certain that turning off the boating equivalent of a transponder is borderline illegal in international waters. Could be wrong, though.
              I think its ridiculous, and will be interested to see if it actually happens.

              If I had to guess, the "scientific reasons" probably have something to do with finding more out about the Giant Squid. They're known to be hunted by humpbacks and feed in the waters off the japanese coast.
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                Originally posted by Feba View Post
                eh. Don't honestly care that much, and I normally care tons about the environment. If it was a big deal, people should've been bitching long ago.
                I think they have been bitching for a really long time. They've had these laws in place for decades, but suddenly - out of the blue - whaling has come to the fore front again.

                Now I don't know if this is all because a little white girl got pushed by an Asian man, but I hadn't heard any other news about whaling in a really long time. What happened that suddenly it's back in practice? I don't see what killing 1,000 big ass whales can do for science. Where are they going to keep these carcases? What are they looking for? Perhaps if they laid down a plan, and then said we'd need 200 - maybe. But this does seem more than a little suspect.

                boycotting Japanese made products for this is silly-- it's not going to stop them, just hurt legitimate businesses. If you want to attack all of Japan economically, there are far better reasons than this.
                I'm with you on this one. I don't see how some sort of boycott of Japanese products is going to do much. Especially since a vast majority won't get on the bandwagon and they'll still make their money.
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                  Originally posted by Grizzlebeard View Post
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                  Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this issue or if they've even heard about it from their regional media.
                  The only reason many people hear about stuff like this in the U.S. is because actors or other famous people become involved. An actress (Hayden Panettiere, "Claire" from Heroes) went to Japan to protest the slaughter of hundreds of dolphins. She has an arrest warrant there now so she can't enter the country again without being arrested.....or unless her high paid lawyers do some fancy footwork. Otherwise most people could give a flying fart.

                  I don't see how killing the humpbacks can further the study of the giant squid. I would think that having them alive and monitoring them would be more of a benefit. But who knows, they certainly have a different way of looking at things on the other side of the pond.

                  Legally, they must not waste any part of the whale's carcass. Knowing that, why do you think they are doing it now? lol Money, money, money. Also they have issues with whale (and dolphin) meat in Japan and mercury levels. I'm sure part of the reason is for actual research. And let's not forget that many Japanese still believe in lots of little old wive's tales about certain animal parts enhancing libido, strength and such.
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                    Originally posted by Murphie View Post
                    See, it's attitudes like that that are going to cause the wholesale destruction of earth in the 23rd century by a giant alien probe.
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                      Originally posted by Murphie View Post
                      See, it's attitudes like that that are going to cause the wholesale destruction of earth in the 23rd century by a giant alien probe.
                      It took me six hours to get that. <_<;
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                        Originally posted by Caspian View Post
                        If I had to guess, the "scientific reasons" probably have something to do with finding more out about the Giant Squid. They're known to be hunted by humpbacks and feed in the waters off the japanese coast.
                        Giant Squid are hunted by Sperm Whales, not Humpbacks. Humpbacks eat krill and small fish.

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                          Originally posted by Murphie View Post
                          Giant Squid are hunted by Sperm Whales, not Humpbacks. Humpbacks eat krill and small fish.
                          you and your "knowledge". All I know is its some kind of whale, I can't be expected to pay attention to which specific one while I watch the Discovery channel.


                          And the probe thing from the 23rd century...yeah, didn't get it until TM said something. I fail.
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                            Originally posted by Murphie View Post
                            See, it's attitudes like that that are going to cause the wholesale destruction of earth in the 23rd century by a giant alien probe.
                            Lol that star Trek film was on Tv here in the Uk on friday.

                            Greenpeace is hoping to locate the fleet in order to shoot video footage, but claims the ships have turned off their identification equipment, making them hard to find.

                            The more radical Sea Shepherd group said its activists will attempt to intercept the ships once the hunt is under way.
                            While i condone mass hunting of protective species and wastefull hunting, the fact is agencies like Green peace and especially this "Sea Sheperd group" have various contraversial ways of stopping it.

                            About 7 years ago when Greenpeace and this Sheperd group tried to stop a new oil platform being built in the north sea, they went out to sea and damaged part of the distribution pipe from this new rig. in doing so it let out a large amount of oil which actually polluted the sea more that the whole construction of the project. Also in a protest in london these people turned a peacefull hippy style protest into a violent one with riot police etc, shop fronts were damaged and many innocent people were punched and kicked to the ground by these protesters when they were walking back from work. I just think their ways of protest are an absolute disgrass and they themselves make things worse.
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                              I think you mean condemn, not condone.
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