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[Taskmage]

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The first article says flatly that beta carotene, an antioxidant, increases the risk of smoking-related cancers. It doesn't say "risk of developing" but what else could be talking about when it goes on to say "also cancer mortality?" The second article shows that vitamin C increases the growth rate of cancer. When was the last time you had a cancer screening? Because if you've developed cancer since then, your tumors have been growing more rapidly and you'll be that much worse off when the disease is detected.

If you won't be satisfied with less than a direct link between C and cancer, here's another article: Vitamin C cancer fear | Mail Online "Test-tube experiments at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia suggested that vitamin C can actually trigger a biological process which damages the DNA - or genetic code - in cells. This could create a potential risk of cancer and other diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis." The article goes on to say that while the study does not explicitly prove that C causes cancer, "far more caution should be taken over dietary supplements" and "diet experts strongly advised people to stay close to the recommended daily allowance of vitamin C." That's just common sense. Just because something is good in small doses doesn't mean more is always going to be better. Ffs, drinking too much water can kill you. If you're taking 4 grams of C, that's the equivalent of eating one hundred oranges a day.

This is why I'm cautious about the prescription of Omega-3 in large doses for such a wide range of complaints. My doctor says that getting too much Omega-3 would be "like eating too much fish" and that he personally takes 4 grams a day, but the FDA recommends that total dietary intake of n−3 fatty acids from fish not exceed 3 grams per day, of which no more than 2 grams per day are from nutritional supplements. That seems like a wholly prudent precaution for a substance for which the long term ingestion of high doses hasn't been examined for potential risks.

[Lmnop]

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Fuck. I need a bacon double cheeseburger now.

[Pwnagraphic]

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The first article says flatly that beta carotene, an antioxidant, increases the risk of smoking-related cancers. It doesn't say "risk of developing" but what else could be talking about when it goes on to say "also cancer mortality?" The second article shows that vitamin C increases the growth rate of cancer. When was the last time you had a cancer screening? Because if you've developed cancer since then, your tumors have been growing more rapidly and you'll be that much worse off when the disease is detected.

Beat carotene has got a lot of bad rep for a while. I don't take it period and it's not in any Multi-vitamins I take. Also, maybe you're getting the wrong impression of how much Vitamin-C I take. I take the regular amount of 90mg twice a day in my Multi-vitamin. I don't take 1g 4 times a day everyday. When you're immune system is down, it helps give you energy and fight off that sickness. That's when I take more Vitamin-C than average and it helps A LOT. Much more than chemically made cough serums that only suppress colds more than curing them.

The article goes on to say that while the study does not explicitly prove that C causes cancer,

Look there.. I even said last page that too much of vitamins is bad for you, but when your body NEEDS it, they're not. Any Doctor will tell you when you're sick, a little more of something helps till you get back to normal.

If you're taking 4 grams of C, that's the equivalent of eating one hundred oranges a day.

As I said.. only when I get sick do I do this.. I never said anywhere that I do it day by day religiously.

This is why I'm cautious about the prescription of Omega-3 in large doses for such a wide range of complaints. My doctor says that getting too much Omega-3 would be "like eating too much fish" and that he personally takes 4 grams a day, but the FDA recommends that total dietary intake of n−3 fatty acids from fish not exceed 3 grams per day, of which no more than 2 grams per day are from nutritional supplements. That seems like a wholly prudent precaution for a substance for which the long term ingestion of high doses hasn't been examined for potential risks.

This is why I'm cautious about the prescription of Omega-3 in large doses for such a wide range of complaints. My doctor says that getting too much Omega-3 would be "like eating too much fish" and that he personally takes 4 grams a day, but the FDA recommends that total dietary intake of n−3 fatty acids from fish not exceed 3 grams per day, of which no more than 2 grams per day are from nutritional supplements. That seems like a wholly prudent precaution for a substance for which the long term ingestion of high doses hasn't been examined for potential risks.

Listen.. I do MMA.. and 3g of EFA(Fish OIl)is nearly not enough.. No athlete or bodybuilder I know takes in just 3g of Fish Oil a day.. most top out at 10-15g and they been doing that for years. Also, I never heard of prescription Omega-3's. That doesn't mean it doesn't exsist, I just never heard of that. I buy my Fish Oils from walmart for 8 bucks in the vitamin isle.

[Feba]

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Listen.. I do MMA.. and 3g of EFA(Fish OIl)is nearly not enough.. No athlete or bodybuilder I know takes in just 3g of Fish Oil a day.. most top out at 10-15g and they been doing that for years.

People who lift heavy things and get punched in the head a lot are clearly the best source of medical information you can find. Who needs people who practice, research, study, and test medicine for a living?

[Mezlo]

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People who lift heavy things and get punched in the head a lot are clearly the best source of medical information you can find. Who needs people who practice, research, study, and test medicine for a living?

LMFAO...

[Pwnagraphic]

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People who lift heavy things and get punched in the head a lot are clearly the best source of medical information you can find. Who needs people who practice, research, study, and test medicine for a living?

You're right dude.. No doctor pr scientist has ever been wrong.. Also, I said Athletes. I don't know if you know this or not, but athletic sports go beyond MMA. And a lot of them don't require getting hit in the head.

And not everyone who is intelligent has to be an IT guy or a doctor. A lot of MMA fighters and Bodybuilders graduated with Master Degrees and chose to pursue what they love.

Forrest Griffin was a teacher before he won the Ultimate Fighter Season 1.. So.. just sayin.

[Taskmage]

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I don't care much what your personal habits are. You said you would quit seeing a doctor that told you excessive amounts of vitamin C could increase your risk of cancer. I'm saying that medical study has shown evidence that this is the case. It's absurd to say you would quit seeing a doctor for giving you advice based on medical research.

I question the assertion that any amount of fish oil is not nearly enough to be an effective martial artist. I mean sure, many martial arts originated in areas where fish is a staple food, but to say there's a minimum seems going at bit far.

Just because something's been done for a long time doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea, but that's interesting information for me to follow up on. I haven't heard of any hazards to Omega-3 and I'm not saying there are any, but anytime somebody tells me to take a handful of pills I have to cock an eyebrow.

Prescribe means, among other things, to advise or recommend a substance or course of action as a remedy. I was using it in that sense, not to refer to a pharmaceutical grade available only by prescription. I don't think such a thing does exist for Omega-3.

[Pwnagraphic]

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I don't care much what your personal habits are. You said you would quit seeing a doctor that told you excessive amounts of vitamin C could increase your risk of cancer.

I said antioxidants.. I never said Vitamin-C directly. Listen.. I know how cancer works and I don't doubt that Vitamin-C wont increase cancer cells.. it does sound reasonable. I just don't believe it CAUSES cancer. Especially when this.. was stated in one of the articles you posted..

The article goes on to say that while the study does not explicitly prove that C causes cancer,

Your doctor told you it did. Unless you misquoted him which I can see since you misquoted me..

I question the assertion that any amount of fish oil is not nearly enough to be an effective martial artist. I mean sure, many martial arts originated in areas where fish is a staple food, but to say there's a minimum seems going at bit far

Like I said.. It helps with a number of things. Especially joint function. And if you done martial arts, your joints do take a brunt of damage. This also helps football players, sprints, soccer players etc.. I do take Glucosamine here and there which also helps.. but that's not the point..

Prescribe means, among other things, to advise or recommend a substance or course of action as a remedy. I was using it in that sense, not to refer to a pharmaceutical grade available only by prescription. I don't think such a thing does exist for Omega-3

Ah yeah I get you here. I was thinking your doc prescribed it to you form a pharmecist.

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but anytime somebody tells me to take a handful of pills I have to cock an eyebrow.

To be honest.. All I take is a Multivitamin, Fish Oil, and BCAA amino supps. occasionally Glucosamine.

[Taskmage]

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Not that it's really a major point but you did directly say vitamin c.

Yeah.. If A doctor ever told me that antioxidant vitamins like vitamin-c increased your chances to develop cancer, I'd quit seeing him.. or her.

Anyway .. Statistical study is very good at showing correlations between things. When something is cited as a risk factor it usually means that there is a correlation between the action and the condition. But, as with the famous example with the sharks and the ice cream, correlation does not necessarily imply causation and any scientist worth listening to will be careful not to suggest that it does. It would take another study of a different kind to prove that the chemical directly causes cells to become cancerous. But what I said and what my doctor said, that it increases your risk, is true in that populations of people who take megadoses of antioxidant vitamins have a higher incidence of cancer compared to a group that does not.

I think we're mostly disagreeing on language at this point. You read me as saying that C causes cancer, but what I meant was the above.

When I brought up Omega-3 I was hoping someone would reply with some information to help me address my doubts about it, which I guess you have so thank you. I didn't really intend to get in an arguement about it.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Not that it's really a major point but you did directly say vitamin c.

heh.. I didn't mean Vitamin-C directly really.. I just said "like" for an example..

I don't mean to argue either to be honest. Nutrition is like religion and it just shocks me cause I don't always trust what doctors say cause. They're one of the reasons why we stay sick with these meds that have meds for their side effects. You see what I mean? For them to tell us a natural substance can cause this or do that when they inject us with man made shit it really makes me question them.. And everyone has something different to say about nutrition it and it is confusing it really is..

[Taskmage]

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I absolutely agree that nothing said even by an expert should ever be accepted as truth without question.

Changing the subject. Tell me about MMA. I've been looking to take up a martial art as a self-improvement project. I found the Fort Worth Kendo Kyokai which I intended to join as soon as I scraped together some room in my budget for membership dues. Is there an MMA organization around here?

[Feba]

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dude, tell me if you get in to kendo. found a local club here that I'm hoping to join. It's totally free, other than having to buy your own equipment eventually.

[Taskmage]

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I have nerdy interest in kendo and so do my wife and son, but annual dues for the local club are $45 /month for an adult. @_@ So we haven't gotten started yet.

[DakAttack]

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Forty-five a month is cheap, but perhaps their quality of instruction differs from martial art schools that can charge an upwards of one-hundred and fifty dollars.

MMA isn't anything. It's not a school, it's not a style, and it's not an art. At it's best, it's a collection of deft movements that eventually lead to a quick submission. At it's worst, it's Brock Lesnar tackling people and slamming his fists into their skulls with a complete lack of technique.

[Taskmage]

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We don't have a lot of disposable income.