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    Originally posted by Game Politics
    California 2005 Video Game Law Ruled Unconstitutional

    Read the ruling here .
    A federal district court judge has ruled California’s 2005 video game law unconstitutional, ending a legal fight which lasted nearly two years.
    The bill, championed by then-Assembly Speaker Leland Yee (D) was signed into law by Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (left) on October 7th, 2005. The video game industry filed suit to block the law 10 days later.
    Judge Ronald Whyte issued a preliminary injunction on December 22nd, blocking the California law from its planned effective date of January 1st, 2006. Since then, both sides have been waiting for Judge Whyte’s final ruling. Today it has come.
    A lot has happened since the suit was filed. The main plaintiff, the Video Software Dealers Association, no longer exists. The organization merged with the Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association last year and is now known as the Entertainment Merchants Association, representing video game retailers and renters.
    Doug Lowenstein, of course, is no longer with the video game publishers’ association, the Entertainment Software Association, another plaintiff in the case. Mike Gallagher now heads the ESA. And Leland Yee moved from the California Assembly to the State Senate in November, 2006.
    From Judge Whyte’s ruling:
    The evidence does not establish that video games, because of their interactive nature or otherwise, are any more harmful than violent television, movies, internet sites or other speech-related exposures.
    Although some reputable professional individuals and organizations have expressed particular concern about the interactive nature of video games, there is no generally-accepted study that supports that concern. There has also been no detailed study to differentiate between the effects of violent videos on minors of different ages.
    The court, although sympathetic to what the legislature sought to do by the Act, finds that the evidence does not establish the required nexus between the legislative concerns about the well-being of minors and the restrictions on speech required by the Act.
    This entry was posted on Monday, August 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pm and is filed under Politics & Legislation, Video Game Industry/Economics, Court Cases, Game Consumer News. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

    Originally posted by Game Politics
    BREAKING: Schwarzenegger Will Appeal CA Video Game Ruling

    It’s not over until it’s over in California.
    Although gamers were high-fiving and game industry types were taking a victory lap following news that U.S. District Court Judge Ronald Whyte struck down California’s 2005 video game law, GamePolitics has just received word that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will appeal today’s ruling.
    In a press release, the Guv said:
    I signed this important measure to ensure that parents are involved in determining which video games are appropriate for their children. The bill I signed would require that violent video games be clearly labeled and not be sold to children under 18 years old. Many of these games are made for adults and choosing games that are appropriate for kids should be a decision made by their parents.
    I will vigorously defend this law and appeal it to the next level.
    This entry was posted on Monday, August 6th, 2007 at 9:04 pm and is filed under People, Politics & Legislation, Video Game Critics, Court Cases, Game Consumer News. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

    I don't really see this appeal getting off of the ground.

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    Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

    Erm can i cnfirm what he was fighting for, a ban on these games or just a law that puts an age certificate on them?

    If its the later, whats the problem, as here in the Uk, games like grand theft Auto, Manhunt etc. have an 18 certificate and other games have 15 ratings (i.e. HL2) and 12 rating (i.e. FF12) dependant on content. There is no problem with that.

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    • #3
      Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

      I believe it's the later one. The main issue, as was put as a comment under that article, was that "You can’t restrict the First Amendment rights of anyone, including minors, without good cause. This law does not have the proven harm to constitute a good cause."

      In other words, there's no proof that video games causes harm to children, so there's no reason not to let them buy them. Personally, I don't care either way -- being 21+ rocks.
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        Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

        I think that if they treat the game rating system the same as movies, then it could work.
        A person under 17 can not buy a ticket to an R Rated movie without an adult present.
        A person under 21 can not buy a ticket to an M Rated movie at all.

        If the legislation was worded this way, I would see no problem with it at all.

        The rating system for games is already in place. This would just be adding to it.

        As a parent, it is my job to know the content of what my kids are playing. This will just help in that kids can not go out and buy the game without an adult presence.

        Will this stop kids from buying games? Absolutely not.

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          Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

          Originally posted by Jonastb View Post
          I think that if they treat the game rating system the same as movies, then it could work.
          A person under 17 can not buy a ticket to an R Rated movie without an adult present.
          A person under 21 can not buy a ticket to an M Rated movie at all.
          If the legislation was worded this way, I would see no problem with it at all.
          The rating system for games is already in place. This would just be adding to it.
          As a parent, it is my job to know the content of what my kids are playing. This will just help in that kids can not go out and buy the game without an adult presence.
          Will this stop kids from buying games? Absolutely not.
          Technically a kid should *not* be able to buy a Mature game now with the current rating system in place. Stores are not supposed to let that happen. The problem is there is no one policing the stores making sure they follow these ratings, the rating are often arbitrary and based solely on a small handful of people's opinions about a 5 minute clip fest about the game and that as of now a game's rating can be altered by after market hacks that have nothing to do with the original content of the game. The ESRB is a private company and has no authority over anything *except* forcing a suggested rating to a game that parents, children, and the stores selling these games more often ignore.

          In the end a game's rating, no matter how unfair or partial it was decided, should already do what this law is suggesting. But because no one pays any attention to it, the Govenator wants to make it an official law on the books policed by Government interaction. As stated before, video games have no worse an affect then movies, music or other media, as such it should be treated the same way as they are. Though I agree kids shouldn't be playing Mature games, as much as they shouldn't be watching R rated movies, I don't think government control is needed. Nor should video game companies be held responsible if underage kids get their hands on these games or if 3rd party hackers alter content to create more 'adult' situations within the game.
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            Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

            Please don't think that I believe Video Game companies should be held liable for kids getting their hands on any video game.
            Though I do believe that games should scrutinized as much as movies in the ratings system, I understand it would be very difficult to do as watching a 2 hour movie is much easier than going through a game that could potentially take 100 hours. Not to mention that the person would have to be experienced enough in gameplay to actually make it through the game.

            As I advocate lesser government intervention in our lives, it would be nice if a law like this were not necessary.

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            • #7
              Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

              I don't think they'd have to play the game for that long to rate it.

              This article from the British Board of film classiciation (BBFC) describes the process on how they rate games. see here

              The Uk classifications are found here
              The things they look at to decide on a category is found here

              Although they mostly cover films / TV they use this classification system to cover all games Under "digital media"

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                Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

                Originally posted by Jonastb View Post
                Please don't think that I believe Video Game companies should be held liable for kids getting their hands on any video game.
                Though I do believe that games should scrutinized as much as movies in the ratings system, I understand it would be very difficult to do as watching a 2 hour movie is much easier than going through a game that could potentially take 100 hours. Not to mention that the person would have to be experienced enough in gameplay to actually make it through the game.
                As I advocate lesser government intervention in our lives, it would be nice if a law like this were not necessary.
                I'm not saying that you believe game companies should be responsible for who ends up with their game, I'm stating that there is already a rating system in place similar to what you mentioned, that I'm sure you know of. But the problem is *that* system is completely ignored by the majority of those who buy and sell games. The problem lies in the enforcement of the current system more then anything else. We don't need government control of this, we need parents and retailers to act upon the system in place and for people to stop blaming the game makers when this system fails.
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                • #9
                  Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

                  Originally posted by Jarre
                  Erm can i cnfirm what he was fighting for, a ban on these games or just a law that puts an age certificate on them?
                  If you read Arnold's quote, he said it was to prohibit the sales to people under 18.

                  Originally posted by KingofZeal
                  In other words, there's no proof that video games causes harm to children, so there's no reason not to let them buy them. Personally, I don't care either way -- being 21+ rocks.
                  If causing hard to children includes inducing violent behavior, then you'd be wrong. There have been more studies then I'd care to read on it.

                  Originally posted by JonastB
                  A person under 21 can not buy a ticket to an M Rated movie at all.
                  Um, that's X-rated.

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                    Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

                    I can't hit a rated X movie at 18?

                    Wow, Robocop and Total Recall were originally rated X~
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                      Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

                      I think that if they treat the game rating system the same as movies, then it could work.
                      A person under 17 can not buy a ticket to an R Rated movie without an adult present.
                      A person under 21 can not buy a ticket to an M Rated movie at all.
                      1- It's NC17, not "M", the M is just you, Moran.

                      2- Yes, they can. There are no laws against someone of any age buying a book about anything, about anyone watching a movie about anything, or anyone listening to any music they want. Enacting this law is just bias against video games. The reason people under a certain age can't buy tickets to movies with certain ratings is because of a SELF-IMPOSED, INDUSTRY REGULATION. This is the EXACT same as the ESRB ratings we have currently.

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                        Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

                        Arnold's just trying to do the right thing, but damn the poor guy just lost some 'cool points' in my book.
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                          Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

                          Arnold's just trying to do the right thing, but damn the poor guy just lost some 'cool points' in my book.
                          This post got me thinking of how Chuck Norris would've been a kick ass Terminator.

                          Please dear god someone explain how my mind works.

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                            Re: Cali says violent game ban is unconstitutional

                            Originally posted by Feba View Post
                            Please dear god someone explain how my mind works.
                            I think world peace would happen before anyone could explain it

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