Religion Issue....

[Thoris]

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Look where this thread is general topics> Off topics...and you chose to read this just like you can choose not to read this...


then you're my slave. Do what i say totally just kidding

So not true

bottom line being gay is a choice just like the choice you made to read this thread. it has never been proven to be genetic. YOU made a choice just like the rest of the homosexual population. Sounds like you have a identity crisis...and you're siding with the minority because gay's and homosexuals get more attention than any 1st or 2nd rate citizen.

I'm straight and i love it. I have a wife and a son and another daughter or son on the way. My brother was gay. He came out of the closet to me first and my family. I embraced him. My family embraced him. My mom and dad are part of the worship leadership at a evangelical free church in MN. They embraced him aside his "feelings".

on a last note...start making choices in your life. only you can tell yourself what to do. Don't let anyone tell you how to live your life.

i agree 100% with everything except gay being choice. thanks for being so insightful.

You do have a choice to act and show your feelings or you have a choice to stay in closet and try your self nuts and keep a normal live and cheat to get what ya need. those are choices.
But to be atrracted to same sex is not a choice you dont choise to be attracted to female you just are. you choose to like blonde better then black ect..

i would liek to keep talking by pm if u want. You really seem like a level headed guy

[Maju]

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i agree 100% with everything except gay being choice. thanks for being so insightful.

You do have a choice to act and show your feelings or you have a choice to stay in closet and try your self nuts and keep a normal live and cheat to get what ya need. those are choices.
But to be atrracted to same sex is not a choice you dont choise to be attracted to female you just are. you choose to like blonde better then black ect..

i would liek to keep talking by pm if u want. You really seem like a level headed guy

I agree. I love milk chocolate but I can't stand dark chocolate. It's not a choice, it's just a personal preference, most likely caused by my individual phenotype.

[DakAttack]

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bottom line being gay is a choice just like the choice you made to read this thread.

on a last note...start making choices in your life. only you can tell yourself what to do. Don't let anyone tell you how to live your life.

>_>

Anyways, I'm all for organized religion, but it needs to stay current with the times. Homosexuality in the Bible was seen as a sin because of their overwhelming ignorance, just as tribes in Africa think having sex with a virgin will cure them of their STDs. As society makes progress, so should our beliefs and faths. Classifying it as a sin is just an excuse to hate something, which is terribly wrong.

On the topic of marriage, it's not doing so well on it's own right now. Exclusion of a certain group of people certainly isn't going to keep it any holier than it's current 50% divorce rate. Maybe they should be judging themselves before others.

I agree. I love milk chocolate but I can't stand dark chocolate. It's not a choice, it's just a personal preference, most likely caused by my individual phenotype.

Isn't the difference between the two just a matter of concentration?

[Murphie]

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The progress of this thread is a reminder of why I stay out of religious debates. No one ever changes anyone else's mind, and everyone just repeats themselves over and over in different ways.

I prefer milk to dark chocolate though. I can definitely get behind that statement. Dark gives me an upset tummy.

[DieselBoy09]

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bottom line being gay is a choice just like the choice you made to read this thread. it has never been proven to be genetic. YOU made a choice just like the rest of the homosexual population.

Its never been proven one way or another whether its a choice or genetics. As time goes by we are finding more and more about an individual is related to genetics, even things such as depression. Homosexuality could be the result of many different things. It could be a genetic disorder, it could be something array in the sex hormone receptors of the body, it could be conditioning based off your surroundings, it could be a choice. Homosexuality is even present in other animal species, suggesting that there may be a genetic standpoint to it, or simply something primal. They are also finding out that twins, if one is gay, the other has a very high potention to be homosexual as well, and that in the womb, if the fetus develops with complications such as being intersexed it also has a high possibility of something of the sort happening. There's a lot more to the simplest things in this world than any of us understand, so please consider all the possibilities and look at it with an open mind.

It could just be choice, but I believe we are just as animalistic as all other creations, and in that, driven by genetic coding.

[dirtyclown]

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>_>

Anyways, I'm all for organized religion, but it needs to stay current with the times. Homosexuality in the Bible was seen as a sin because of their overwhelming ignorance, just as tribes in Africa think having sex with a virgin will cure them of their STDs. As society makes progress, so should our beliefs and faths. Classifying it as a sin is just an excuse to hate something, which is terribly wrong.

This gets back to the part where Religion is BS. According to what I learned, God smote everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah because they were putting things in places where they don't belong. Burning a group of people with fire to set an example is a great way to get a message across, but the thing about that is the Bible was written by man, not God. As far as I'm concerned it's a work of fiction, the true meaning behind any of it has been lost with time. I could easily imagine a scenario where the bible gets a little bit added to it during the translation from language to language, and eventually it's taught that gays are icky and should be shunned. I could have agreed with this as a kid, but I lost my faith and gained some sense a long time ago.


I don't mean to take a stab at Christianity, but what's up with so many self-proclaimed Christians abusing their faith to justify their actions? Over the years I've met some horrible people who do whatever they want to whomever they want, and at the end of the day just say they're sorry to their Lord, and all is "forgiven". Call me crazy, but I never thought that God would forgive someone for something like beating the hell out of their kids and touching them in creepy places.

[Thoris]

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Its never been proven one way or another whether its a choice or genetics. As time goes by we are finding more and more about an individual is related to genetics, even things such as depression. Homosexuality could be the result of many different things. It could be a genetic disorder, it could be something array in the sex hormone receptors of the body, it could be conditioning based off your surroundings, it could be a choice. Homosexuality is even present in other animal species, suggesting that there may be a genetic standpoint to it, or simply something primal. They are also finding out that twins, if one is gay, the other has a very high potention to be homosexual as well, and that in the womb, if the fetus develops with complications such as being intersexed it also has a high possibility of something of the sort happening. There's a lot more to the simplest things in this world than any of us understand, so please consider all the possibilities and look at it with an open mind.

It could just be choice, but I believe we are just as animalistic as all other creations, and in that, driven by genetic coding.

Thankyou so much. i Thank you thank you so much

[Jarre]

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Dirtyclown...

Not being a religeous person myself, who beleives in the big ban and science, I can see where your coming from. Though please remember your quote above may upset many people whos faith is to beleive what their religons book says, so you just making a joke of it can offend them, please think before your post, this debate is not to take the piss or joke about religon, its the serious matter of how people react to others of different religeons and the rant of not being allowed a ride home in a cab just because of a piece of religeous jewely and tattoo offending a person from another religon.

The religeous debate is a very agressive one fought on many sides, to make this thread work we need to be mature about the debate and not slag people or their religeons off.

[Karinya]

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I don't think the possibility that someone somewhere might get upset is a good reason not to tell the truth. And it's true that religion is responsible for many atrocities, and makes many claims for which there is no good reason to believe they are true.

If some people want to participate in religion knowing those things, perhaps believing they can avoid the dangers of religion, that's up to them; but they shouldn't expect to be immune to criticism of that decision.

It's past time we stopped tiptoeing around religion because someone might get angry. That is really nothing more than bullying. Religion is not entitled to preferential treatment. In a free society we can criticize politics, economics, philosophy, etc., and we should also be free to criticize religion.

In short, Dirtyclown has a right to express his/her opinion and anyone who disagrees with it should disagree as part of the discussion, not by trying to block Dirtyclown's opinions from being in the discussion at all.

[dirtyclown]

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Dirtyclown...

Not being a religeous person myself, who beleives in the big ban and science, I can see where your coming from. Though please remember your quote above may upset many people whos faith is to beleive what their religons book says, so you just making a joke of it can offend them, please think before your post, this debate is not to take the piss or joke about religon, its the serious matter of how people react to others of different religeons and the rant of not being allowed a ride home in a cab just because of a piece of religeous jewely and tattoo offending a person from another religon.

The religeous debate is a very agressive one fought on many sides, to make this thread work we need to be mature about the debate and not slag people or their religeons off.

I refuse to be politically correct and take others' feelings into consideration, because you know what? It's not possible to express an opinion without stepping on someone's toes. So rather than try and do the best I can to not offend anybody, (which will happen anyway no matter what I do) I'll say what I think and if anyone wants to take offense they can GTFO the internet and go sit around in a room full of like-minded friends of theirs and stroke each other's egos about how awesome their beliefs are. We're here for discussion, not to make sure that random user #36 doesn't get his feelings hurt because I or anyone else said something that made him cry.

Secondly, yes, I do make light of alot of things. That's just how I taught myself to deal with living. If I really wanted to I could post some very..Offensive images featuring Jesus if I wanted to piss people off, but that's what /b/ is for. The cab driver's utter failure to show any sort of courtesy to the OP because he believes something a bit different is laughable. I really don't see the huge differences between the two, there's a few cultural ones, but for the most part it's the same exact deity. Both religions have changed their beliefs to make things more convenient for themselves, pretty soon the Catholic church will make it officially ok for their Priests to get married. Doing that would most likely prevent alot of the alleged molestation going on behind closed doors. Also, according to God molesting kids isn't cool, so I don't think he'd have a problem with that. I bet if we were able to sit down and have a chat with him right now, he'd laugh at a great deal of the hypocritical bullshit that these religions shovel onto the world every day. Then perhaps he'd burn us with fire and set another example.

[DakAttack]

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Idiots will be idiots, it doesn't really matter of what religion they are. A majority of the people on this planet are idiots, so you'll have to deal with them one way or another. Religion can just be another reason for people to act like assholes.