So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

[Kailea]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

Oohhh that's harsh. Too bad I have been trying to find stuff myself. Again, my deepest apologizes for not being a computer wizard like you

Anyway I was just hoping to get a laugh or some I don't knows, not all this crap. Maybe this off-topic forum has different people than the other ones

I posted a very good alt to your problem.... and realy there is a diffrance of being a "wizz" and common since -.-

[Medalink]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

I have seen FFXI running on Red Hat 9, I can say this, unless your a programming give up now with linux, if you cant figure out how to get these basics done, and you cant find the awsners on google, go back to windows.

Windows is for everyone who cannot understand 101.

Linux is for everyone who can.

Im being harsh not mean, not an ass, and not a jerk. You wont ever get linux, im simpley pointing that out to you.

Medalink

P.s It took 9 months to get FFXI workong on Red Hat, and theres still a problem with updates (Wont auto-update right). Not worth it...

[steveyos666]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

Heres an Idea, create 2 partitions on your hardrive.

On first install Linux, do all you work and internet browsing, flesh browsing etc on that.
On the second install windows, solely use that for FFXI.

How do you install 2 partitions, well google is your friend, its too complicated to explain.

My friend's bringing me back his PS2 which I have all the FFXI stuff for. It runs better on the PS2 anyway.

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Wine can emulate most anything, it comes down to how well you can tweak it, however you have a few other things to figure out before you hit the Wine stage.

You're still working with video and LAN drivers. Personally I'm not impressed with Fedora, but I do know a few people that play WoW, Quake, Half-Life 2, and Unreal on it.

For your first time in Linux I used to recommend Mandriva, however I'm less and less impressed with them as of late. Another viable option for a first timer would be SuSE. Either way, start searching at http://www.google.com/linux, start hitting the mailing lists and IRC channels for help, and search for your local Linux Users Group. (LUG) They often have meetings, do projects, and are a local source of help.

I haven't done any gaming in Linux for about 5 or 6 years, and have since migrated to BSD, but it can be done. However you have to realize it's not going to be easy at first. As you become more experienced things may work faster for you, and having less problems.

It may cost you some money, but once you have your video card running up to speed, and have your LAN working, check out Transgaming. Used to be ~$30 last time I used it, dunno how much it is now, but this will most likely be your best bet for getting FFXI running under Linux of any flavor. It's a very customized Wine for gaming, and was very easy last I used it. I don't know anybody personally who has FFXI up and running on Linux, but I can't find anything that says absolutely that it cannot be done. I wouldn't mind doing it myself, I just don't have the hardware for it.

Well the reason I chose FC5 is becase I know someone online who's been a Linux user for at least 2 1/2 years, and recommended it for me. He's also doing his best to help me.

As far as gaming goes, this laptop really isn't powerful enough for most games anyway, and Wine will run Half Life 1-related games so that'll be good enough for me.

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I posted a very good alt to your problem.... and realy there is a diffrance of being a "wizz" and common since -.-

I was replying to the other person, hence them being quoted. I'm thankful for your suggestion, but I'm sticking with this because I do like the challenge, and I guess I'm just too sick of Windows to try anything at all related to it.

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Does Linux somehow make you immune to spyware and viruses?

I'm pretty sure you're still vulnerable.
I mean, most viruses are probably windows-specific, but I fail to see why Spyware won't effect you, and there maybe viruses that will affect you out there.

Defragging takes a relatively short period of time, and you don't really have to do it that often. I'm not sure what's to deal with.

Not trying to dissuade you, but I thought this bit was a bit odd.

Also, I've never used Linux, but it seems to me like Linux is to stick-shift as Windows is to automatic.

You're going to have to learn a whole lot more manual control to deal with it, and it's unlikely without the basics you'll be able to get what anyone is saying. I can't speak for how much you actually know, but you may want to figure out how the clutch operates.

The reason there's no viruses is because you have to control every single thing that happens, which is why it's driving me insane. There are no ".exe" files. It is stick-shift, which means in the long run it'll go much faster. And would you rather have to defrag, or never ever ever have to defrag at all?

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I have seen FFXI running on Red Hat 9, I can say this, unless your a programming give up now with linux, if you cant figure out how to get these basics done, and you cant find the awsners on google, go back to windows.

Windows is for everyone who cannot understand 101.

Linux is for everyone who can.

Im being harsh not mean, not an ass, and not a jerk. You wont ever get linux, im simpley pointing that out to you.

Medalink

P.s It took 9 months to get FFXI workong on Red Hat, and theres still a problem with updates (Wont auto-update right). Not worth it...

Well I'm not worried that much about FFXI, and I believe I've managed to figure out the ATI drivers.

I also plan on taking Devry's college course for gaming, which is why I figured I'd get my brain into gear before starting that. This stuff is a real bitch to figure out, but like I said, I enjoy the challenge.

I didn't mean to come here to go through all this, I was just trying to make a dry-humor thread. I guess I'm too tired to add sarcasm

[forster]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

Well out of all of the above a couple of good points have been raised inbetween all the semantics of Linux Vs Windows.

Firstly, it has been made clear that FFXI wont run properly under WINE, so its not an option.

Secondly, you seem to have procured an alternate (PS2) means of playing FFXI in the meantime.

This only leaves you with the OS that you run on your main machine. As suggested, partitions are one way to ease you into Linux without losing your familiar windows OS while you look for similar apps that have been created for the *nix system.

I suppose the question is, what else do you do on your windows box that you will need Linux to do too? Perhaps we can offer assistance on other programs for Linux now we know that FFXI wont be playing ball.

Also (and I didnt read all the above) have you considered using alternate Linux distro's? Debian, SUSE, and Gentoo I can recommend, infact, if you want to learn about Linux then it might be best to have a look at creating your own Gentoo install, building and installing it from the command line, and you will probably learn a lot pretty quickly.

I used to know a lot of Linux-newb sites, cant seem to remember any now, but your local library / Amazon should be able to supply you with a few books to read up on.

Anyway, good luck.

[Feba]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

go back to windows, or get a PS2. Also 360.

[steveyos666]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

Well out of all of the above a couple of good points have been raised inbetween all the semantics of Linux Vs Windows.

Firstly, it has been made clear that FFXI wont run properly under WINE, so its not an option.

Secondly, you seem to have procured an alternate (PS2) means of playing FFXI in the meantime.

This only leaves you with the OS that you run on your main machine. As suggested, partitions are one way to ease you into Linux without losing your familiar windows OS while you look for similar apps that have been created for the *nix system.

I suppose the question is, what else do you do on your windows box that you will need Linux to do too? Perhaps we can offer assistance on other programs for Linux now we know that FFXI wont be playing ball.

Also (and I didnt read all the above) have you considered using alternate Linux distro's? Debian, SUSE, and Gentoo I can recommend, infact, if you want to learn about Linux then it might be best to have a look at creating your own Gentoo install, building and installing it from the command line, and you will probably learn a lot pretty quickly.

I used to know a lot of Linux-newb sites, cant seem to remember any now, but your local library / Amazon should be able to supply you with a few books to read up on.

Anyway, good luck.

I'm not bothering with FFXI on this laptop, because I only have the Zilart expansion for one, and also because the laptop could barely run it on Windows so I'd say an emulator is out of the question. I know how to dual boot and all, I just have no reason to go back to Windows.

The reason I chose Fedora Core 5, well actually at first I chose Ubuntu, but then I went to FC5 because a guy I talk to online said he use/used both this and Gentoo, and said I'd be better off with FC5, and that he knew it a bit better. The reason I'm sticking with it now, not only because it took 5 CD-Rs, is because he's the only person walking me through all the minor steps on AIM. If he ends up giving up on helping me, then I think I would have to switch to something easier. However, I really do like FC5 so far, it's just he doesn't come online for most of my day, and I think the people at the other forum I went to aren't as friendly as he said they would be.

And also, really, doesn't every version of Linux have it so you have to type in all sorts of commands to install things? There are no .exe's, that's why there's no viruses. Unless Gentoo somehow makes that easier, or maybe there's a better chance of it supporting my graphics card / wireless card, I don't know of a reason to switch after all this work.

Heh, actually, if there's not already a .iso burning program on my computer right now, I have no idea how to install one. Also, I only have two CD-Rs left, so Gentoo couldn't come with a million things like FC5.

I'll read up on it while I'm waiting for my friend to sign on, and if you (anyone) wanna tell me how Gentoo would be better than FC5, maybe I'll switch before he signs on. Chances are it won't be for another ten hours anyway

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go back to windows, or get a PS2. Also 360.

That, my friend, was probably one of the dumbest replies you could of ever replied. Be gone from my thread.

(Unless you wanna buy me a 360 )

[Mhurron]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

The reason there's no viruses is because you have to control every single thing that happens, which is why it's driving me insane. There are no ".exe" files. It is stick-shift, which means in the long run it'll go much faster. And would you rather have to defrag, or never ever ever have to defrag at all?

There are viruses for Linux. All this 'power' you believe protects you, since you have no idea how to properly configure it makes you more vulnerable. Do you know what daemons are running in the background accepting connections? Do you know if Sendmail is acting as an open relay? Do you have any idea at all?

man fsck

Linux filesystems will fragment just as much as NTFS, with the added bonus of there being no real stable one beyond EXT2 so the chances of random file corruption is higher then NTFS or FAT32. Linux performs filesystem operations all the time, whether you want it to or not. On top of that, it will do a major, often long, check depending on the options passed when the filesystem was created.

There are executable files, how do you actually think that anything happens. They don't have a file extension that tells *you* what is and is not executable, but the system knows, and will happily run anything its told to if it can.

You have no idea what your talking about, you should really keep the garbage your spouting to yourself.

[Balfree]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

and to add, viruses dont allways come in the shape of executable files

[steveyos666]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

oh ok cool

[Feba]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

That, my friend, was probably one of the dumbest replies you could of ever replied.

No,

once I figure it out it'll run better for me. I don't like having to deal with viruses, spyware, defragging, and all that fun stuff.

was



If you don't know crap about even google, give the hell up.

I don't want to be rude, but seriously, if you can't even google for the info you need, info someone else found in a few seconds, you really shouldn't be screwing up your system.

[tdh]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

Linux systems are only as secure as you make them. The same can be said for Windows systems, however in _my_ experience a fresh install of Linux is more secure than a fresh install of Windows. But by no stretch of imagination does this make you safe. Virii are less of a concern for Linux than they are for Windows, but they are still a concern. I don't have any personal experience with SpyWare in Linux, as I've never had a problem with them. But do some research for things to look for.

You have to secure your box after ever install, and check your security regularly. You don't need to become an expert in Internet security, but you need to know what your box is doing, and make sure that doesn't change from week to week.

Linux file systems will fragment just as much as NTFS, with the added bonus of there being no real stable one beyond EXT2 so the chances of random file corruption is higher then NTFS or FAT32. Linux performs file system operations all the time, whether you want it to or not. On top of that, it will do a major, often long, check depending on the options passed when the file system was created.

With the advent of Journaling File systems, this is no longer an issue that needs monitoring. With EXT3, XFT, and ReiserFS having matured this is no longer the case.

The Linux community can be very helpful and friendly, we can also be harsh. Look at in these terms. Why should I spell out something, hold your hand through the steps, when it's pretty apparent that you didn't even try to use the tools available to you, and try yourself? If I see that you tried a few steps, you documented them, and got stumped, I'll step in and help you out. But it's a community, if you're leeching off the communities knowledge you're not contributing. Learn to RTFM. Learn how to address problems and ask for help. If you don't know these things your transition into Linux is going to be a painful one.

[Mhurron]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

Linux systems are only as secure as you make them. The same can be said for Windows systems, however in _my_ experience a fresh install of Linux is more secure than a fresh install of Windows.

Most fresh installs of Linux have Apache and Sendmail listening on all interfaces, with Sendmail being more then happy to relay any message sent to it. A fresh install of Red Hat is a spam relaying machine. Most users of 'easy' distros will never learn how to shut these off or properly configure them, let alone even find out if they're running. On many, GDM, KDM or XDM are listening for and allowing XDMCP sessions to the local box as well. The only secured daemon that is running on most default Linux installs is SSHd but not through the actions of the distro maintainers, and who would try and attack that when you don't have the system enforcing strong passwords and every other service under the sun is waiting to serve up connections.

With the advent of Journaling File systems, this is no longer an issue that needs monitoring. With EXT3, XFT, and ReiserFS having matured this is no longer the case.

EXT3 is just EXT2 with some Journaling support thrown in as a afterthought. If the journal becomes damaged, it takes just as long to check the filesystem, any power outage can cause that damage. Reiser is not as mature as EXT2/3 or XFS, and while the circumstances that lead it to doing an ungodly fsck, the chances of file corruption on Reiser 3 are very high. Also on both, after X number of mounts they will do a complete fsck even if nothing bad has happened. Its required to clean up the filesystem because of things like free space being marked as used. In short, to do all the things a regular chkdsk and defrag would do on Windows.

XFS is fantastic, if you run it on Irix. On Linux it is very much a POS. It is very fragile and its corruption rate is as high or higher then Reiser. On top of that, XFS in an attempt to keep very high throughput caches data for up to 10s in RAM before trying to write it to disk. Think of all the files that are open at any given time (right now on my desktop that's over 3000 files), every last one of them can be corrupted by something that interrupts the final write. XFS was a straight port from systems that were designed to have the fastest possible performance while being as solid as possible. They had things like battery backed up RAM (in addition to UPS's) to ensure that that final write happened. Linux machines, especially your desktop, do not.

High availability Linux installations are Clusters with the filesystem being under the control of a SAN device for a reason. Linux on your desktop or any single node is not the rock of stability that people like to pretend it is.

[tdh]

Re: So I got sick of Windows and got Fedora Core 5....

Most fresh installs of Linux have Apache and Sendmail listening on all interfaces, with Sendmail being more then happy to relay any message sent to it. A fresh install of Red Hat is a spam relaying machine. Most users of 'easy' distros will never learn how to shut these off or properly configure them, let alone even find out if they're running. On many, GDM, KDM or XDM are listening for and allowing XDMCP sessions to the local box as well. The only secured daemon that is running on most default Linux installs is SSHd but not through the actions of the distro maintainers, and who would try and attack that when you don't have the system enforcing strong passwords and every other service under the sun is waiting to serve up connections.

Again, I stated that a machine is only as secure as you make it, and did not say that Linux was as tightly closed up as something like OpenBSD where you can't get in or out of your box at first install. I have had Red Hat servers hacked before I could start transfering updates after the 1st reboot. I've also had the same problems with NT and XP. But in _my_ experience the former has been more frequent. Then again when I have a *nix build, I install the very base minimum out of the box, which isn't exactly an option with a Windows build.

EXT3 is just EXT2 with some Journaling support thrown in as a afterthought. If the journal becomes damaged, it takes just as long to check the filesystem, any power outage can cause that damage. Reiser is not as mature as EXT2/3 or XFS, and while the circumstances that lead it to doing an ungodly fsck, the chances of file corruption on Reiser 3 are very high. Also on both, after X number of mounts they will do a complete fsck even if nothing bad has happened. Its required to clean up the filesystem because of things like free space being marked as used. In short, to do all the things a regular chkdsk and defrag would do on Windows.

I won't argue that EXT3 is EXT2 + journaling, but let's face it, it was the fad at the time. I did very minimal toying with Reiser with no problems to speak of, but my usage and testing was not extensive. EXT3 has been solid in my experience, never having any problems with the journaling. I know there are the chances, but I've seen EXT2 and a power outage completely ruin an install. Personally I have not run into that problem since journaling, and I've lived in areas with quite frequent power outages.

XFS is fantastic, if you run it on Irix. On Linux it is very much a POS. It is very fragile and its corruption rate is as high or higher then Reiser. On top of that, XFS in an attempt to keep very high throughput caches data for up to 10s in RAM before trying to write it to disk. Think of all the files that are open at any given time (right now on my desktop that's over 3000 files), every last one of them can be corrupted by something that interrupts the final write. XFS was a straight port from systems that were designed to have the fastest possible performance while being as solid as possible. They had things like battery backed up RAM (in addition to UPS's) to ensure that that final write happened. Linux machines, especially your desktop, do not.

I never touched XFS, and didn't know anybody else who would even tempt it on Linux. It wasn't built for the Desktop in my opinion, so I never wasted the time to toy with it.