WTC A controlled demolition? WAAAAAAY offf Topic.

[AngryUndead]

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Yes, I've watched loose change and I'm not impressed, I've watched every version that has come out.

They may have examples of building fires, or firemen saying they could get to the 80th floor., but they also have people saying that there was a pod on the plane and that it was a military plane, or some special missile plane (???).

Here is a picture of the elevators.

A source either lies or does not lie. Loose change lies, and is just as manipulative as any other source.

Also, these planes were carying 6,875 galons of fuel. That is around 36,631 pounds of fuel, 18tons in case you were wondering. I don't think that any significant amount was burned in the flight to the trade center (these planes have a 6,000 mile range, with a safe buffer) and not all of that fuel could have been used in creating those fireballs, I mean we're talking litterally tons of fuel, which would need to be vaporized in order to explode. Only what was atomized during the crash would have been able to suport combustion, and I doubt that all of the at least 13tons (conservative estimate) of fuel remaining would have atomized on impact.

We've already established that 2000degF didn't need to be reached by the fire, and that a fire wouldn't spread quickly on its own, but a plane compromised the integrity of the saftey systems, making conventional wisdom unreliable.

And lets not even get in to the pentagon crap... but here it is.

Furthermore, Occam's Razor. Most of the theories of "what actually happened" are so freaking complex that they don't even make any sense.

[Brodrik]

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The reason the WTC looks like a controlled demolition is that it collapsed the way well-designed buildings are supposed to.

There is extensive third-party engineering analysis of the situation that is a lot more reliable than some conspiracy theorists and a video. Unfortunately the interest in the topic in engineering fields is no longer too popular, as it's been done to death, so you can't wander over to your local university mech eng colloquium and hear about it as readily. There is, however, a large body of analysis from third parties in print (meaning peer-reviewed journals).

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"Crazy shit went on in the 60s we didn't know about until 5-6 years ago."

Sure, secret files are released generally 40 years after the fact.

"Who's to say that our government, that fixed an election twice in the past 6 years, is without evil?"

Provide evidence.

"The Exxon CEO had among the highest profit margins last year, despite the fact that the industry is being "Hurt" by Oil prices."

CEOs don't have profit margins.

"Our entire system of Checks and Balances is non-existant for at least the next 20 years, and there are still people who want to fool themselves into believing that our government is without evil, and would not resort to the mass-scale self-terrorism that can initiate change?"

Evidence?

Saying things and then fitting reality to your newly-invented theories does not make them true.

[Rodin]

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Whoa, hey bro, I know the government has been bullshitting us with a lot of things. I just don't think that the World Trade Centers had a controlled demolition....BUT...Now that you mention it, I remember seeing a show about how the WTC was constructed. They actually had to block off part of the Hudson River to build the site. They constructed a stress bearing wall called the "Slurry Wall". I remembered the engineer saying that if there was an explosion or a "plane crash" that the wall would have a 90% chance of breaking apart, and flooding NYC with water from the Hudson River. But IMHO, that is the ONLY argument I still find valid for the Government to have a controlled demolition.

[AngryUndead]

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For the theory to be dubunked, every aspect has to be proven otherwise. The American government has been accused, and they are guilty until proven innocent.

I'm pretty sure its the other way around big guy.

Have you SEEN the crap they tried to pull? They released like 5 frames of something hitting the Pentagon. In 1 frame we can see a metallic object, but this object is small and looks nothing LIKE a 747.

In fact, it looks like a god damned Cruise Missile.

I hope it looks nothing like a 747, as it was a 767, I mis-read earlier and use figures from the 737, a similar plane. A 747 is much larger and distinctively shaped... and has 4 engines. After watching all the videos I still don't see this "cruise missile".

Here are some more facts about the design of the WTC. Talking about load bearing walls, and such.

Who's to say that our government, that fixed an election twice in the past 6 years, is without evil?

I just see stupid voters.

The Exxon CEO had among the highest profit margins last year, despite the fact that the industry is being "Hurt" by Oil prices.

Ethanol Oil has been around since the 70s, and America has such an excess of corn that the goverment pays farmers to not plant on their plots of lands on certain years. Yet, why are we being forced to pay 3 dollars a gallon without any hope for relief? I put gas in my dads car, less than half a tank, and it came out to 29 dollars. I haven't physically pumped gas since it was about half the price, and to see that put the whole fiasco into perspective on a physical level.

Europe has been paying more than us for years, and the Exxon guy is making money hand over fist, but watching the newscasts from 9/11 over again, I see the little ticker bar complaining about Gas Prices as the second plane hits the tower. This is the devil we all see and almost everyone is focused on to the exclusion of all else, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

NSA

Homeland Security

Iraq

Afghanistan

Majority of the House and the Senate is Republican.

The Judicial System is now majority Republican.

NSA has been around for years, DHS is a cashcow for the government, Iraq and Afganistan had it coming... one way or another. And the rest is stupid voters.

I don't "feed myself bullshit" to sleep at night, I just refuse to buy in to the theory that all of this was orchestrated to opress me or some shit. As a mater of fact... I'm doing rather well. Gas prices don't hurt that bad, and I'm making plenty of money, I own a house and two cars. I really don't see what else is going on here.

[Blood Red Poet]

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It's cool guys, 5 years from now I'ma get the One Piece and unite the world under the Empire of BRP. It's going to be cool because I'll make a philosopher stone and bring dumbledore back to life. oh snap, spoiler?

[Rodin]

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Shit, don't let Rowling see that or she'll make that her next book series. Also, don't let 4 Kids turn it into an anime series, or they'll put white guys making rap for the title song, and make the guy from Pokemon be BRP's voice. >_<

[Caspian]

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WishMaster, come on, I know you're smarter than this.

For the theory to be dubunked, every aspect has to be proven otherwise. The American government has been accused, and they are guilty until proven innocent.

Thats neither fair or right and you know it. Debunk every theory? Thats a bit ridiculous. Noone here is a certified engineer who had hands on review of the actual debris and was able to test what was left to determine what exactly happened.
It is a conspiracy theory. In fact its even more lame than the one that the American government knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked before the fact.
I don't know why I have to ask, but do you think George W. was in on it? I'm guessing so which brings me to another point. He's accused of always "shoving his religion and morality down our throats", but he'd be cool with killing 20,000 of our own people to go after a terrorist that everyone was telling him we should be going after anyway? He didn't care about the country's support for Iraq, why would he care about support in Afghanistan?

Few other things I'd like to address:

The Exxon CEO had among the highest profit margins last year, despite the fact that the industry is being "Hurt" by Oil prices.

Exxon is a global company. The U.S. only accounts for roughly 15% of their income. Infact their percentage of profits has only increased for something like a quarter of a percent from previous years. Its a private business, who is the government to tell a privately owned company how much they can charge for their product?

Ethanol Oil has been around since the 70s, and America has such an excess of corn that the goverment pays farmers to not plant on their plots of lands on certain years. Yet, why are we being forced to pay 3 dollars a gallon without any hope for relief? I put gas in my dads car, less than half a tank, and it came out to 29 dollars. I haven't physically pumped gas since it was about half the price, and to see that put the whole fiasco into perspective on a physical level.

You're right, and the government is giving tax breaks and lots of other things to companies who can make use of this fuel. Its up to private business owners to open up this market and take advantage of it.

Majority of the House and the Senate is Republican.

The Judicial System is now majority Republican.

Yep, but its all for naught when one person out of 100 can say "I call a filibuster" and whatever was up for approval gets immediately thrown out. You don't even have to filibuster anymore, just say the word and you get your way. Hell of a system isn't it?

[AngryUndead]

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You can thank the South for that, the filibuster.

You know, I love it down here, but some things are damn retarded.

[Rodin]

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Ugh, the worst part is that during a Fillibuster, they can keep reading from a damn cook book, and still hold the floor. WTF? We have such a well planned Senate. >_<

[AngryUndead]

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I'm going to filibuster this thread!

Wait... lost patience.

[Caspian]

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Well, its supposed to only be used when its something you take so seriously that you're willing to stand up and talk, refusing to yield the floor for sometimes days. Now you don't have to do a damn thing. Just say "I want to fillisbuster X proposal" and the proposal is thrown out. Kinda screwed up that 1 person out of a 100 can decide that a proposal shouldn't be done when 99 others say its a good idea. Not only that, but they don't even have to really do anything. Its the ultimate veto.

[AngryUndead]

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We need somthing like the British parliment. They fight and call each other names. That would be great TV.

[Caspian]

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I don't know, we did get to see Kennedy and I think it was Specter argue over sending and receiving documents during the Alito confirmatin hearings. That was entertainment.

[AngryUndead]

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n00bSenator1: "I'm going to filibuster!111"
VetranSenator: "You, sir, are an ass!"
VetranSenator punches n00bSenator1 in the face.
n00bSenator2: "AGGRO!"

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I don't know, we did get to see Kennedy and I think it was Specter argue over sending and receiving documents during the Alito confirmatin hearings. That was entertainment.

The very thought of watching that makes me want to drool on my shirt.

[WishMaster3K]

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While I don't appreciate how you blatantly attacked me on every aspect, AU, you are quite hilarious to converse against.

Huzzah and Kudos all around.

Ok, the only thing I can say about the Pentagon, is that regardless of what type of plane hit it (737 or the 666 Air Bucket), looking at what was released by the pentagon, the flash of metal that hit the Pentagon was too small to be a commercial jet plane.

"Our entire system of Checks and Balances is non-existant for at least the next 20 years, and there are still people who want to fool themselves into believing that our government is without evil, and would not resort to the mass-scale self-terrorism that can initiate change?"

Evidence?

Executive Branch = Republican
Judicial Branch = Republican
Legislative Branch = Republican

That's the point I was making, sorry you mis-read it.

The Twin Towers fiasco is ridiculous no matter which side you take. For two buildings of that magnitude to fall so quickly, in addition to being allegedly designed to withstand things such as accidental building collisions, 70 year Hurricanes, Earthquakes and whatever God or Boeing can throw at it. . . They both fell in less than 90 minutes.

And the second to be hit, I reiterate, was the first to fall.

Then we have the flight 93 ordeal, wherin the footage we were shown was compared to a similar plane crash in Greece, and there were striking differences.

While a lot of things can be mis-proven, other things don't add up. Even if I'll go on a limb and say "Ok, maybe the Twin Towers weren't intentionally demolished by our own government," that still doesn't account for the rest of the day.