WTC A controlled demolition? WAAAAAAY offf Topic.

[tazirai]

I Was in the airforce and served with many guys in EOD, Explosives Ordinance disposal and and a my friend at work Scott, was Army EOD. I had him watch this with me today to get his opinion, and he came to the same conclusion that I had.

Some Seriosu Sh*T happened on 9/11 that coincided with the planes hitting the WTC. We basically said, yeah the this thing blew up like a Normal Buidling being demolished...

A little about me. Im no conspiracy theorist but I think Humanity is basically full of it.
And certain people , not even just within the government but others have agendas most of us can't even think of.

And when I saw this video It made soo much sense. A controlled demolition means buildings are made to blow from within and fall straight down to lessen collateral damage to those around it. BOTH Wtc towers fell straight down AFTER being hit from ABOVE. Note The WTC was designed to withstand a plane hitting it by Accident.

Check this link to see what I mean.
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/...va_eagar2.html

You dont have to watch the whole video to get the gist of this, But I can't even deny that these People are reporters, police, firemen, survivors who all say the same thing. They Heard explosions from within the building near areas where the planes DID NOT, hit. Its real stuff, Made me very interested.

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Heres the link to a video of a controlled demolition so you can see what i mean.
i cant doubt these peoples words..
http://www.controlled-demolition.com...t/kingdome.mpg

another
http://media.popularmechanics.com/vi...mplosion_2.swf

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BTW Im not trying to start anything about a certain somebody, I just would to one day know the full truth of 9/11.

[Alucath]

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Yeah, I recently watched a pretty amazing documentary-- 911 Loose Change I think it was called. This -mostly- focused on the pentagon attack and all of that, VERY worth the watch, it's about an hour and 20. Anyway.. It touched on WTC being possibly demolished, and it was very intriguing. Thanks for the info, people need to see some of the evidence for themselves.

[Jei]

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video of a controlled demolition - WTC definitely had that look... wow...

[AngryUndead]

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The reason it looks like a controlled demolition is because the fire from the planes raged all throughout the building. This caused 50-90% weakening of all the metal structrual members in the buildings as well as the concrete itself.

Essentially the same things happens in a demolition as the structure would be strategically weakened by explosives.

It stands to reason that when a floor bearing 90% of the weight looses 50% of the structural integrity it will fail, causing a failure cascade, the same principle applies in both the fire and demolition scenarios.

Also, the building 11 that collapsed had a huge scoop taken out of it, and it fell because the bottom floors were 30-50% gone on the side nearest the trade centers.

...or you could just wear a tinfoil hat.

[Rodin]

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It wasn't so much bombs, as it was the structural design of the Trade Centers. The inside of each building was built with an extra steel segment diagonally across the frame, which supposedly would stop the building from tearing itself apart in high winds.

A cross section of your average skyscraper is something like this:
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The lines represent steel beams. I'm sure we're all familiar with what one of those would look like, expecially with all that you would see in a Burger King Commerical. >.>

Now, a cross section of the World Trade Center would look like this:
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Notice the steel bar in the middle. Now, the bars were positioned in a Zig-Zag shape, since this one is descending, the next one would be ascending, the one after that would be descending, and so on.

Now, fires caused by the crash, which burned at thousands of degrees actually melted these bars, which were holding an enormous amount of weight, buckled, and bent. The bending caused the diagonal bars, to bend the lateral bars inwards. Which is why the building appeared to collapse on itself.

At least this is what I was told in my Structural Engineering class anyways. ;>.>

(Help, the governments got our schools Tazirai, they're out to get you, RUN!!! j/k)

And LOL @ the Tinfoil hat.

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Orz, that didn't come out as well as I planned ; ;

[AngryUndead]

Re: WTC A controlled demolition? WAAAAAAY offf Topic.

I think the focus is more on the fact that the fire was hot enough to reduce the structural integrity of the metal even where it didn't melt, moreso than the design of the beams.

But... I'm not a structural engineer.

[Rodin]

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I think the focus is more on the fact that the fire was hot enough to reduce the structural integrity of the metal even where it didn't melt, moreso than the design of the beams.

But... I'm not a structural engineer.

Neither am I. I am just telling everyone what I was told. And it was really more a combination of things. The design of the bars and the fire.

[AngryUndead]

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The important thing to realize is that when metal gets really hot, it may not melt and flow, but it gets weaker.

Like a plastic spoon does if you leave it on the dashboard, it droops or deforms easily. Metal is the same way, at about 60 times the temperature.

[Blood Red Poet]

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WTC was planned by the government to gain support for the next election and a war in Iraq, this is old news.

[Alucath]

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One thing that's important to realize when talking about how hot and weak it must've gotten is.. (And this is information I got from loose change, but I'm sure you could find it somewhere) The company who made those beams even said that it was tested up to 2000 degrees fahrenheit and it didn't show any signs of weakening. All of the steel that goes into these buildings has to be tested. And they were quoted saying something in a letter about how even non-fireproof steel could've stood up to that.

Also, I know that WTC is incredibly tall, but these buildings would've been the first buildings in history to fall because of a fire. And usually fires travel accross floors very slowly. If you look at any other skyscraper fire cases, they can burn for upwards of several days before even the top floors burn up and go away. I kind of doubt that the fire itself could've weakened the steel that much.

[Taskmage]

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wtf? Forum butchered my link.

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How damned annoying. The link is guardian dot 150m dot com slash wtc slash how-hot dot html

[AngryUndead]

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Use tinyurl.

If you read the Popular Mechanics link I posted earlier...

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

Also, the elevator shafts made perfect conduits for burning fuel to travel down. There may be fishy things about 9/11... this isn't one of them.

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Unless its a coincidence that the planes "just happened" to be carying jet fuel.

[WishMaster3K]

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Also, the elevator shafts made perfect conduits for burning fuel to travel down.

Despite the fact that the central column and the elevator shafts were vaccum sealed?

Jet fuel is derived from Kerosene, and the hottest that the temperature can reach is 1600 degrees F when constantly supplied with fuel. Not only was the majority of the fuel expelled in a fire ball upon impact, there are radio conversations of firemen reaching the 80th floors and stating that they would be able to put out the fires.

If that doesnt float your boat, they had examples of other building burning for HOURS and DAYS, and not experiencing "Bending" or "melting"

In addition, the second tower to hit was the first one to fall. . .

Believe what you want, but for all the facts you may throw arround, it would be careless to completely pass this off.

Have you even watched Loose Change 9/11 ?

[Rodin]

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Despite the fact that the central column and the elevator shafts were vaccum sealed?

Wouldn't it be possible for a Jet Liner that weighs tons, which is traveling at 600 miles an hour to crash into an elevator shaft, and break that seal?

[WishMaster3K]

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That's a good argument, and people have proposed good counter points. However, the fact that the buildings fell so fast, and the fact that there were other misdemeanors throughout the entire day (I actually had a post about this myself. . . http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/off...n.shanked.html). . .

For the theory to be dubunked, every aspect has to be proven otherwise. The American government has been accused, and they are guilty until proven innocent.

Have you SEEN the crap they tried to pull? They released like 5 frames of something hitting the Pentagon. In 1 frame we can see a metallic object, but this object is small and looks nothing LIKE a 747.

In fact, it looks like a god damned Cruise Missile.

For people to pass this off as another Conspiracy Theory without even bothering to do the research and ask questions themselves reminds me of how we are a nation of sheep and lemmings.

Prove all the theories wrong and I'll retract my speculation. In 50 years, after all these officials are long dead, we'll receive a press release similar to all the shit surrounding Guantanamo Bay and the Bay of Pigs.

Crazy shit went on in the 60s we didn't know about until 5-6 years ago.

Who's to say that our government, that fixed an election twice in the past 6 years, is without evil?

The Exxon CEO had among the highest profit margins last year, despite the fact that the industry is being "Hurt" by Oil prices.

Ethanol Oil has been around since the 70s, and America has such an excess of corn that the goverment pays farmers to not plant on their plots of lands on certain years. Yet, why are we being forced to pay 3 dollars a gallon without any hope for relief? I put gas in my dads car, less than half a tank, and it came out to 29 dollars. I haven't physically pumped gas since it was about half the price, and to see that put the whole fiasco into perspective on a physical level.

NSA

Homeland Security

Iraq

Afghanistan

Majority of the House and the Senate is Republican.

The Judicial System is now majority Republican.

Our entire system of Checks and Balances is non-existant for at least the next 20 years, and there are still people who want to fool themselves into believing that our government is without evil, and would not resort to the mass-scale self-terrorism that can initiate change?

Our government can now do anything, say anything, hide under the guise of Fighting Terrorism, prosecute those that speak against it claiming that we aren't patriotic, and get away with all this.

Truly remarkable the bullshit you guys feed yourselves to sleep soundly at night.