Emo kids

[Macht]

Re: Emo kids

I think when they have a lot of experience that magnifies our perception of their mistake, as well. To use a FFXI analogy, when you get a bad tank in Valkurm you think "geez, what a newb" and brush it off. When you're in a level 60 party and your tank is a rank 9 guy with a bunch of haijin gear, and he does a crappy job tanking you think "omg what a retard! How did he even get to be high level?" and have a stronger reaction because in your mind he should have known better. At least that's how I tend to react. Incidentally, I recently saw the worst tank I ever had strolling through Jeuno in an O-hat, Koga Chainmail, and a bunch of other pimp gear the like of which I will most likely never see, even though I'm the skilled player and he's a well-connected asshat. Many things in real life are the same way. Advancement is made through time and contacts rather than raw skill or talent. It may be that exceptional ability may earn shortcuts, but it's entirely possible for someone less deserving to reach a higher professional standing by playing his cards right, and that's just the way the world works.

The other thing is that experience grants a greater capacity for making mistakes. You're not going to ask a new member of your HNMLS to tank your first try at Jormy, but the guy that has proven himself against other targets is nonetheless in a position to get a lot of people killed.

I thought you said you quit reading my mind

Yeah, hit on a lot of points there. As far as people being in ranks or poisitions and expecting them to know it, that's one thing I am different on. I really don't expect the person to know his job or position no matter what level or how long they've played it. What I care about is how receptive they are, genious solutions often come from the least expected places.

As for as advancements I say it goes by one of the following combinations:

Contact & Time
Contact & Skill
Contact & Talent
Contact & Knowledge

Sadly contact is just such a huge aspect that the more contacts you have the more likely you are able to advance faster even if you have not a single bit of knowledge in the field. What's sad about it then is that the person's relying only on experience and as long as he's in the field he's considered gaining experience, but experience is no were near as measureable as knowledge. Guy could spend 1 year learning how to create a single string of code and be valued as having as much experience as a guy who can develop modules, class modules/daemons, effectively use API code and various other stuff in that same 1 year.

That's why considering experience is just way overrated to me.

[WishMaster3K]

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Also a conflict that college students have. Coming out of college, getting recently certified, we have been trained to troubleshoot from the bottom up, regocnize things and understand the latest technology.

Yet, even with the latest knowledge, it's tough for us to get hired because we don't have experience. But how can we get experience if no one is hired. As eager as new graduates are to get into the market place, it's a shame that there are not more jobs out there. Then it comes down to not "what you know," but "who you know."

And everyone at this forum knew what I was going to say, which goes to show that it is, unfortunately, common knowledge. It's a stigma that we feel more at safe with the experienced doctor than with the fledgling graduate.

However, taking my field of Network Engineering, we must always advance ourselves. Even after college, I'm going to be getting a new certification every 2-3 years if I intend to stay at the top of my game.

While there are definately certain instances where experience would have an advantage, to totally discount someone who merely hasn't had as much tenure as another person is unfair.

I've had Professors who were in their mid-late 20s, and they were much more fun to learn from than the elderly scholars who could remember when the University's founders were professors when THEY went.

Even my karate instructor, who has been at the art for 40 years, changed the way he trained us 3 years ago because the dynamics of the tournament setting were being revamped. He even taught us to live by this:

When change is necessary, not to change is destructive.

-Ren

[Taskmage]

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I thought you said you quit reading my mind

Sorry, but if I set both you and neighbortaru I get the Warning Points Up trait, which gets me more one-shots when I get ban farming. Hard to turn that down.

When choosing someone for a job, seeing a steady work history speaks volumes for a person's reliability. That's a major factor right beside knowledge/skill. So it's not just a matter of experience or tenure. I know where you're coming from about catch 22s in the job market though. After our first baby, my wife was going stir-crazy around the house, so when I lost my job and the little one was drinking from bottles, she wanted be the one to go out and earn a living. That worked fine for a while, but when her sales job dried up and it was my turn to win bread again, nobody wanted to hire me because they were "uncomfortable with the gap in my work history" even though they appeared to accept my expanation. And of course, every potential employer who gave me that line made that gap get larger.

Another point kindof on a tangent: skill, knowledge, experience and what have you do not trump common sense. I have this IT-type friend who I have to keep reminding myself not to discuss technical problems with. Trained and certified from here to kingdom come, but I am convinced that if I unplugged my box from the wall and called her over to see what the problem was, she would completely disassemble my computer, swapping out part for part, testing different configurations, before finally coming to the conclusion that my bios was fried or my power supply was faulty without ever checking the power cord was attached. I just made that example up, but trust me, it's completely in line with her previous performance. So sometimes, no amount of skill or experience or training can make you good at something.

[Macht]

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Yep, totally understand all of that. Just is so messed up how those things occur, just like a point in another thread. You go train a Martial Art to protect yourself but then also have to register yourself as such with police and now taken away a little danger by having knowledge to protect yourself only to replace it by more danger that a cop could end up being the one to hurt you.

Just so messed up how some of these things work...

[EthosPathosLogos]

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[WishMaster3K]

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Lol. Squall ftw.

in other news, Hitler is emo.

http://hitlerareemo.ytmnd.com/

[Telera]

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Unlike someone who has a real emotional problem, emo's are just walking contradictions. Give them some Place For My Head or Somewhere I Belong (I'm running out of Linkin Park songs >.>) and a couple of razors and they'll be perfectly modest. I also think that if someone was truly comfortable with themselves that they would not harm their body.

That's just. . .wow, wierd. No matter how much anxiety about something I'm feeling, or how much pressure is on me, I couldn't bring myself to intentionally inflict a wound. There are many outlets for pent up rage/depression/energy, and it all starts with mustering self confidence to do something.

"We cannot rise about our convictions." If we tell ourselves we're useless sacks of shit, then, hey, we are.

Hmn. My first post. o.o

Anyway, I agree. I think everyone has been through some rather rough patches in their life, but I could never see the sense in hurting myself to somehow make an outlet for that pain or frustration. In my teen years, I simply turned to writing. I churned out alot of fantasy stories and fanfictions during my more turbulent years, and that seemed to work just fine for me. (No, I didn't do angsty poetry. I suck at poetry. x_x)

There's another thing though, I do believe we've got two kinds of emo on our hands. The 'media' kind, which is evidenced by these people going on about some bs meaning behind dead birds and slitting themselves...

And then the people who are simply more darkly emotional, but don't resort to pathetic attempts to 'make themselves feel alive.' They simply exist, but tend to have a darker outlook on life. I prefer to call them pseudo-nihilists. My boyfriend classifies himself as emo, or so he says. But he doesn't slit his wrists or write any poetry at all and doesn't look for ridiculous, asinine meanings behind dead avian creatures.

He just is rather jaded about life and society. Which, to me, like I said seems more just like typical teenage-ness or nihilism to a lesser degree.

So I think you've got the attention whore emos who slit themselves and cry and blare LP. And then you've got the other ones.

[Brodrik]

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I never used to get "emo" references until Wikipedia told me that the common use on the Internet is using something more like the alternative use of "emo (slang)" and not referring to "emo (music)", which is elsewhere properly described as hardcore punk on estrogen.

This is the confusion you get for associating with college radioheads and geek rockers that liked emo music.

In high school we called the guys you're referring to "a little too melodramatic". Now we just call them "those damned kids".

By the way, get off my lawn.

[Suichi]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2wKJ...rd%20Ohio%2022

OMG That was SO funny.


I rofl'd SO hard.

EDIT: Ironically enough, emo kids were around me too.

[Rodin]

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There is a difference between being Emo, and having depression.

Depression is an actual mental illness, cause by the deficiency of a chemical called seratonin in the brain. Think of seratonin as a "happy pill". When we're going through puberty, the fluctuation of seratonin is what causes mood swings.

IMO, being Emo is just a cry for attention. While not everyone may fit the stereotypical Emo description, we all have fits of "emoness". Most of the time when you feel sad or depressed, it's a cry for attention. What you're yearning for is somebody's shoulder to cry on. And most of the time, all of this is for naught. Many experts in psychology and psychiatry believe that most "love" before the age of 18 is infatuation. This means that the person only likes being around said signifigant other, and doesn't know what it really means to love the person. Another interesting fact states that Romeo and Juliet, being 14-16 at the time of the play, were just infatuated with eachother, which lead to their deaths. (If you read a plot outline, the timeline of the play was only over the course of a week. Is there really love at first sight? Or were they too hasty?) Many say it's the greatest story of love ever written, but also, it could be interpreted as two emo kids doing their thing.

Many other people say that "One can not know true love, unless one loves oneself." Obviously, anyone who mutilates their own body doesn't love themself. So they can't love.

That ends the "young love" part of my little emo-rant.

I agree with TheGrandMom when she said that most emotional kids come from bad families. BUT, in my own experience with some of these kids, many come from very good families. They either don't get the attention they want, even though they live in compelte luxury. (Many I know have families with 600k+ a year incomes, and live in 400,000 dollar houses, and drive Mercedes. But their parents are too busy working.) OR, they come from well-off, work at home families, whose parents give very good attention. These children seem to say they're misunderstood when they try to tell their parents some-things. Honestly, sometimes it's just a simple mis-communication between parent and child, but it seems to be happening at a very common rate these days. Also, many times, these Emo kids are only children.

To be honest, I think the way to stop children from commiting themselves to this Emo trend (and I do mean it when I say trend) is to talk with them. Don't be afraid to talk with them. Find out what's bugging them. Be their friend. The reason they've become social shut-ins is because they were pushed out from becoming part of any other social-clique. Them having somebody to talk to about their problems will definitely stop them from acting like everything's at it's worst for them. You can attract more flies with honey, than with vinegar. <- That saying's true, don't be mean to them, try and be friendly.

[Taskmage]

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A couple quotes I find relevant:

“Love is only a seeking for love in return, 'Do, ut des' (I give, that thou shalt give).”

“Many an attack of depression is nothing but the expression of regret at having to be virtuous.”

Name the source, Rodin?

[Rodin]

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Wilhelm Stekel, Freudian-era psychologist. Good quote.

Well, let's drag out one of his most famous Quotes, and discuss it.

"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one." -Wilhelm Stekel

Now, does that mean, since many of these emotional kids are suicidal, that they are immature, because they want to die for an ex-girlfriend and their feelings?

[Jekk]

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Lmao, if that guy did research he'd know "emo" used to be when nerds would be in bands >.< It has changed now, and it's "emotional", ah whatever.

I have to admit I do feel bad, but I also find it funny <_<

[Rodin]

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I have to admit I do feel bad, but I also find it funny <_<

I don't, I'd like to see one of these "emo" kids actually do something out of pure love for a girl. They're so "heartbroken" because they can't find anyone to understand them. It's just a cry for attention. The cutting, the "different" lifestyle. If they want somebody to be their friend, they need to open up and act more sociable. Even though, sometimes it's not their fault. Now, about the girlfriend/boyfriend thing.... Give me a break, it's high school. Only 3% of High School sweethearts ever stay together past the 3rd year in college. And even then, only 1% of those will ever get married. I know there's different types of love. A buddy of mine took a bullet for his girlfriend not too long ago. Now, he was willing to give it ALL for her (They've been together for 6 years). So IMO, that qualifies as love, and if she leaves him, then he has a right to be heartbroken. But these kids have only been dating for what? A couple of months? Give me a F*(*&ing break..... I nearly beat a guy to death because he was attempting to rape a girl that I thought I loved. Now, looking back on the way I felt, I wasn't sure if it was love, or infatuation. But either way, I'd have beaten the hell out of that guy even if I didn't know the girl......(Rapists disgust me, they deserve to die in prison). But that's a rant. The truth is, unless you're willing to give it all, it's not considered love. I just think Emo kids are exactly that....kids...Why doesn't anyone hear about a white collar working class emo person? Because they've grown up.