I declare jihad on FFXI

[Hyrist]

Re: I declare jihad on FFXI

Kailea-D

While one could applaude you for adhereing to your own personal morals, the largest flaw in your argument is your expectation to adhere others to those morals.

Yes, JadeNightshade got caught cussing and was sent to GM jail for it. While it was her fault for breaking to ToS. Howerver, it was also the fault of the petty person who was vindictive enough to use the GM as a means of hurting Jade's reputation in the game for somthign as simple as song lyrics. They could have just easially sent her a tell telling her not to shout it in Jueno. If she was approached respectivly asking her to stop doing somthing that was insulting someone, she most likley would have accomidated them. This was not the case, otherwise she would have known what was going on when she got sent. The person who called the GM pourposly attempted to hurt Jade though a very cheep and dishonerable method.

You are displaying the same pettyness and self-centered idealism that causes so many unessary drama issues in the game. You are also agreeing with the slimy scumbag's false reasoning, which wont earn you any brownie points here. While the MAJOIRTY of the people in the crouded Jueno would have laughted it off, filtered shout, or chat language, etc. You here are screaming that it is wrong and terrible.

If you cant tolerate such activity I recomend going to your little fairy club back on Gaia Online, and send a call to the moderators there each time on of the 'leet assassins guilds' decide to remove your self-rightious air bag you call a head form your character's neck.

/rant

Jade, either you got some serious enemies, or someone as ethnocentric as Kailea-D here just happened to be in Jueno at the same time as you. It sucks, but don't attack the GMs' for it. They do what they have to do and untill we can get them to chance policy through letters to the sugestion box, we are stuck with it.

But I woudl watch my language more in the future, simply because someone might be after you.

[Baldrik]

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maybe I'm retarded, but if this is about stupidity, shouldn't one just blacklist all the dragoons? *stabs kailea*

Anywho, lets not get this out of hand people. It's okay for people to curse in game, better it be in public, mainly for the simple fact that English is one of the few languages that has such strong words that aren't used in formal speech. This, to me, is something we should take to our advantage.

Actually, I would like a quote of what was said (ie: the lyrics to the song) that way I can dechiper what the best course of action would be.

The truth is, one could easily report someone for botting in the past, even if they don't do it anymore. I don't think Kailea would like that very much, now would you.

[Aeni]

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I hate it when others give this as a salution....I should not have to filter anything because of some morons..... if you are breaking the TOS..I report plain and simple

If someone digs his nose on the bus, will you call the cops because you were "offended?" No. You'd look away and mind your own ****** business. That's what you do in this game.

I have cuss filter off because its ok to throw one or two in normal chat, and I dont want it cencered, because it looked stupid, but when you act like a moron in shout/say, you get reported.

You obviously do not know why SE included an option to filter or censor. Go read the game manual. -_-;;

and to hell if I turn off shout, yeah it gets anoying, but then I miss out on some of the important stuff being tossed in shout.

Yes, it does get annoying, but are you going to call out every single person who uses shout for something other than what you think is right or wrong?

act somewhat adult and you should never have problems, but act childish and do something stupid, well you get the point

Touche. Look at yourself. You're acting every bit as immature as the person who's misusing the shout feature. I think in this situation, it's better to look in the mirror before you.... you get the idea.

[TheGrandMom]

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While it was her fault for breaking to ToS. Howerver, it was also the fault of the petty person who was vindictive enough to use the GM as a means of hurting Jade's reputation in the game for somthign as simple as song lyrics. They could have just easially sent her a tell telling her not to shout it in Jueno. If she was approached respectivly asking her to stop doing somthing that was insulting someone, she most likley would have accomidated them. This was not the case, otherwise she would have known what was going on when she got sent. The person who called the GM pourposly attempted to hurt Jade though a very cheep and dishonerable method.

Hmmm....so do you know the person that reported her? They told you they were doing it to be vindictive? You know the exact lyrics that she shouted? You know for certain that if they had approached her and asked her to stop she would have? So basically, you were there when it happened and know all parties involved? You have both sides of the story and are a totally neutral party?

I don't think anyone in this thread beside the OP was there, which means we only know 50% of what happened. The only thing we know for certain is that shouting obsenities in public is against the TOS and therefore you can be punished for it. It was also stated that other people were shouting song lyrics also so its quite possible that the person that called the GM called because someone elses shouting offended them. But since GM's are never "johnny on the spot", the GM just happened to show up when the OP started shouting. Bad timing and bad judgement = a slap on the wrist. It's not like the OP was banned, all that happened was that they have a mark on them for what they did. So before we go around using this thread and people who post here to vent, lets remember that none of us were there, none of us know both sides of the story, and none of us know who the person actually reported or if it was just a generic report about offensive language being shouted in Jeuno.

[dirtyclown]

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I think you guys are listening to the wrong rap music.

Sugar Hill Gang ftw?

[Aimes]

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you have the right to do whatever u want (sing rap) as long as it doesnt conflict with the rights of another (someone who doesnt wanna hear rap music)

i myself dont mind if somoene swears, i just dont like it used excessively

[Kailea]

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Aeni....... there is a big diffrence from what I think is wrong and right, as you put it, and plain common sense, big diffrence there, I mean come on what do you think would happen if you sat there in Jeuno and typed out a rap song, that has all kinds of slang and racial comments and cuss words...... DUH!....... -.-

I am very open minded about most everything, but what I hate is a lack of common sense.......and I am sorry but if asking for some common sense is childish...then count in alot of others here -.-

[Tirrock]

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This happened in behemoth's dominion, according to the original post. I just thought I'd clear that up.

At 6:01 pm est time in the middle of camping Behemoth spawn I was sent to GM jail.

And Kailea-D, I'd like to ask once this again: Where you're getting your information? Sure, rap songs are sterotypically offensive, but we don't know what song the lyrics being shouted were coming from. And although the odds are that it was semi-offensive (if you're offended very easily), we don't know for sure.

It seems a bit silly when you're basing your arguement on how offensive what was shouted was, and how common sense would say not to shout something like that. When you don't even know what it was.

Based on the limited information we have, all we know for sure is:
People were shouting song lyrics (including a song from "Team America" that swears every line) in behemoth's dominion.
The original poster joined in with "a rap song" with at least one swear word in it.
The original poster was jailed for the swear word in the shout, and got talked to by a GM in jail. (I don't know about you, but I'd be fairly intimidated if I just got ripped out of a zone and put in jail with a less than polite GM infront of me.)
Then JadeNightshade got sent back to her home point. Losing her wyvern she just summoned, as well as forcing her to run back to behemoth's dominion.

Based on how long it takes to run back to BD, it probably forced her to miss a behemoth window.

I'll say it again... I think it's silly to argue the sense of her shout and how since her shout was rap lyrics, it must be offensive and/or full of swears.

Honestly, if somebody did shout something offensive, then yes, I agree that the shout would be poor judgement and a GM call was semi-justified. (I doubt I'd call one myself, unless the shout was targeted at me or a friend in specific.) But I don't know if this shout fits that description or not.

Based on what I've heard, to me it seems very much like somebody just wanting to get rid of somebody camping behemoth. As for my opinions on language filters...I stick by what I said, regardless of how many, or few, swears JadeNightshade's shout contained. If you don't want to hear swears, turn the filter back on. (Since it is on by default when you install the game.) If you don't do that, don't come complaining to us when somebody hurts your virgin eyes.

uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh...
can this please be the last reply to this.

I'm sick of reading people agreeing with me then others saying we're wrong..
this is just as stupid as people complaing about howard stern or TV..

no one will ever agree and I'm sorry I brought it up.

I'm going to actually start taking this advice. I'll only reply if somebody directly addresses me in this topic. I'd stop completely...but I seem to have a thing with trying to pound logic into people.

[little ninja]

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ahhh yes the classic endgame bullpoop!. anyone who hasnt seen it or done it. might as well get used to it. when you camp an hnm. or pop nm. your basically walking into a room where your 99.9 % of the time going to get voked into saying something, or doing something in the hopes of getting just 1 more player kicked. thus increasing the other parties chances of claiming to pop.

endgame players know that gms wont return you to the scene of the crime, thus why you were called on.

as for the OP thanks for the playonline mail. i guess the next time someone camps ontop of me, or stands in front of me. they are in violation of the ToS.

[Jkid]

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This is what they call the GM CALL GAME on Hades. Essentially, what you do is try to get someone in the act of breaking ToS and then call the GM. If you can get the GM to answer that call as soon as possible, the better your chances to getting someone you don't like banned from the game.

I've lost two friends because of this. Basically what it comes down to is if you've made enemies in competing HNMLS or in any other part of the game. They don't like you for some reason. The moment you cuss -- even just once -- and they'll bring drama down on how they were hurt and emotionally scarred for life. The lies and stories these "victims" tell to the GM range from drama to unholy dishonesty that could send them to hell in the next life.

I've just found this topic out this morning and what it is just sick. Does the GM's know about it?

Out-of-topic: This is first time I've saw a picture of a GM jail. What's a GM jail anyway?

[Jynx_lucky_j]

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Oh, and about the analogy to speeding and gettng a ticket whatever...are you the kind of person that calls 911 b/c someone on the same road as you is speeding?

Actually I've been in several states where they have signs posted on the side of the freeway with a number to call and report aggresive/unsafe drivers (speeders, people weaving between trafic, ect.) and yes they do get used.

So no you wouldn't call 911, but you could still report it. I myself wouldn't bother but there are others out there that will.

[Kailea]

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Seems some of you think of me as a "taddle tale" or something childish like that, but look, I know about 90% of people speed alittle, I do it myself sometimes, and I know that there are times to bend rules or even break them for important reasons, but really, when somone is doing somthing ilegal or against a set rule, and it bothers me, I will report them. There is nothing wrong in doing this -.- When rules exsist, they must be followed, I dont see why some of you dont understand this. Yeah I dont know the contents of the rap song, but for a GM to even bother summoning him and giveing a warning, it had to of been atlest some what bad. A GM will not just go by hearsay, the GM looked at the logs in Jeuno, looked at what he said, and acted like he was supost to.

[Wiseman40]

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Well in the case of speeding, etc, it really depends on how dangerous I think the person is. If someone looks like they may cause death at any moment I report it...

On the instance in question, with profanity in the game, I believe that the profanity filters are there for a reason, and that people shouldn't be punished for doing something that could be filtered out.

People are choosing to see the profanity (I think the profanity filter is ON by default, so they have to turn it off to see the profanity)... Why report something that you choose to see?

I understand that it is policy and all that - but why is it policy?

[Macht]

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Well in the case of speeding, etc, it really depends on how dangerous I think the person is. If someone looks like they may cause death at any moment I report it...

On the instance in question, with profanity in the game, I believe that the profanity filters are there for a reason, and that people shouldn't be punished for doing something that could be filtered out.

People are choosing to see the profanity (I think the profanity filter is ON by default, so they have to turn it off to see the profanity)... Why report something that you choose to see?

I understand that it is policy and all that - but why is it policy?

Thing you have to realize with the filters as well is they don't guaranty prevention of harrasment. even with ????'s replacing the word the context of the message has a chance of being seen as being vulger and with it being a lyric from rap or the like chances are even higher. Which then resorts to ofcourse the use of /blist, problem is /blist seems to have a limit mine won't accept anymore I know that. So both methods are meager methods to resolving such a situation.

This is a community of a wide age range the best action to not offend is to not risk any actions that have high potential of offending, this include words that can be insulting or vulger.

[Wiseman40]

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Well you have a point Macht I hadn't actually thought of it...
I havn't encountered many problems of the nature and don't actually feel the need to make use of profanity myself. I've never seen it as harassment, but I could certainly see how others would...