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    Online TV spats mean fewer free shows on Web - Yahoo! News

    LOS ANGELES – Broadcasters took a big step toward eliminating free TV shows on the Web after they blocked access to their programming online this month to enforce their demands to be paid.

    Recent actions by Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS in two separate fee disputes suggest that after a few years of experimenting with free, ad-supported viewing, broadcasters believe they can make more money from cable TV providers if they hold back some programming online.

    That could mean new limits on online viewing are coming: Broadcasters might make fewer of their shows available to begin with, or delay when they become available - say, a month after an episode is broadcast, rather than the few hours it typically takes now.
    It would make it tougher for viewers to drop their cable TV subscriptions and watch shows online instead. If cable and satellite TV providers can hang on to more subscribers, broadcasters can then demand more money from them to carry their stations on the lineups.

    Last weekend, News Corp.'s Fox made TV programming history by blocking online access to its shows, including "Glee" to 2.6 million Cablevision Systems Corp. broadband Internet subscribers. It was part of a fee dispute over how much Cablevision pays to carry the signals of Fox-owned TV stations.

    At around the same time, ABC, NBC and CBS turned off access to full episodes when accessed from the new Google TV Web browser, which became available this month.

    Both actions sent the message that broadcasters are demanding to be paid for their shows wherever they are seen - just as new devices are making it easier to watch those shows on regular TV sets.

    "Basically, they're trying to work hard to ensure that 'cord-cutting' is not an attractive option anymore," said analyst Derek Baine of research firm SNL Kagan, referring to the phenomenon of people cutting their cable subscriptions and catching shows online to save money.

    BTIG Research analyst Rich Greenfield put it more bluntly in a blog post on Monday.

    "Consumers must be made to realize that nothing is free anymore," he wrote.

    Fox's tactic wasn't entirely successful. It inadvertently drew into the dispute the Cablevision Internet customers who got their TV feeds from other companies such as DirecTV Inc. Fox abandoned its Internet blockade after about 12 hours following protests from several lawmakers, including Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., a senior member on a House subcommittee that oversees technology and the Internet.

    Fox TV stations have remained off Cablevision lineups since Oct. 16, though, as the two companies remained locked in dispute. Cablevision has about 3.1 million TV subscribers in the New York area.

    The Walt Disney Co.'s ABC, General Electric Co.'s NBC and CBS Corp. also have been blocking Google TV's Web browser from playing their full shows on websites such as ABC.com and TV.com. The Sony television that came pre-installed with the Google software package can still access their channels like any other TV.
    Google Inc. conceded that it could not force the broadcasters to make their content available, even though they do so freely through other outlets.

    "It is ultimately the content owner's choice to restrict users from accessing their content on the platform," Google said in a statement.

    In fact, the free Hulu online video site is already blocked from mobile phones. To watch shows on such devices, you need the $10-a-month Hulu Plus subscription plan.

    ABC, NBC, CBS and Cablevision declined to comment. Fox only reiterated its reason for lifting the online blackout.

    The online blockades showed that the broadcasters can target certain Internet users with blackouts based on their Internet providers or services. It also revealed how important it is for them to control who is watching - and paying for - their shows.

    For the past several years, broadcasters have been pushing cable and satellite operators to pay more to carry broadcast programming that can also be received over the air with a digital antenna. Because most people now get broadcast stations through subscription services, the cable and satellite operators have been grudgingly paying for the retransmission rights.

    Such fees have become an increasingly lucrative revenue stream that makes free over-the-air TV more closely resemble cable channels that require paid subscriptions.

    But broadcasters find they now must justify those payments. One way is to limit access to their shows for free online, just as Time Warner Inc.'s HBO and other cable channels limit access to their programs on the Web. Access requires passwords tied to cable subscriptions. Baine and Greenfield said broadcasters would likely move to this "walled garden" approach as well.

    Time Warner is pursuing such a model, called "TV Everywhere." It would allow paying TV customers to watch shows from its channels including TNT and TBS online after proving their identity. In a similar move, Time Warner Cable Inc., the nation's second-largest cable TV provider, announced Friday that subscribers who pay for plans that include ESPN would also get access to live sports shows online through ESPN3.com starting Monday. Video on that site is restricted to customers of participating subscription TV providers.

    Separately, broadcasters are selling their shows online for as little as 99 cents through places such as Apple Inc.'s iTunes store and on Amazon.com - another method that ensures they get paid.

    Collins Stewart analyst Thomas Eagan said Fox's inability to exactly target customers that relied on Cablevision for both video and Internet access could prompt it to simply withdraw some programs from the Web altogether. "At the end of the day, you're more likely to end up seeing content companies changing what they make available for free online," he said.
    TL;DR:

    Repeat of the MP3 panic of ten years ago, just on a larger scale. No one learned anything. Take RIAA and Napster, replace them with Entertainment Industry and online streaming. Replace winner Apple with Netflix.

    Times have changed and they'd prefer you just watch TV the old way with overpriced cable packages or adopt their incredibly stupid, convoluted alternative rather than the most sensible one. People want their entertainment containable and these media giants still just can't wrap their heads around it.

    They care not your new-fangled Google TV, Hulu, Netflix and watching TV shows for free online. Instead of conforming to the times and the needs of the consumer, they intend to work against them. Of course, the large point the AP story doesn't cover in-depth is that the ad industry still hasn't come up with a competent answer to getting TV companies the ad revenue they need, particularly since no one wants to watch commercials. The solution should be obvious - subtle product placement, but they're just scared to adopt it.

    TL;DR2: Just kill your TV, you'll be glad you did eventually. Or make cuts to your expensive cable packages, reducing it to "just the internet." I did that seven years ago, eventually dropping Time Warner entirely for another, cheaper ISP. Apparently I'm just part of the problem, though.

    Now, excuse me as I go watch the 9th season of the X-files on Netflix. I hope some Fox exec weeps about it.
    Last edited by Omgwtfbbqkitten; 10-25-2010, 05:47 AM.

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    Haven't had a tv in years here.
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    • #3
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      This is just sad. Corporations still can't figure out how to accept the existence of the internet and incorporate it into their business strategy in this day and age?
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        I wouldn't mind finding some alternatives to television, but what are my options? The classic TV in the living room would require a console or computer with an internet connection. I think we're so addicted to the DVR that there's no way we could ever make the switch unless we still had access to all our favorite shows.

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        • #5
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          Dinosaurs be Dinosaurs.

          They are boycotting the only thing in this world that can save them.
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          • #6
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            So instead of me helping them out by watching the shows on their website, that do have ads and generate them money, I just go watch it on megavideo.

            Sure. Okay. I do avoid watching things on megavideo / youtube if the show is supported online by the broadcast company to, you know, show my support. Oh well.
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            • #7
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              No worries! I'll just download episodes of said shows from a torrent site. Then they won't even see revenue from advertising!

              Besides, they blocked Canadians from watching anything on their websites anyways.

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                I must be old-fashioned. I'd much rather watch it on my TV than anywhere else ... especially my cell phone. Holy crap, my eyes are bad enough. I can't sit there straining to look at that tiny screen just to watch a TV show I could have watched at home. I only watch online if I somehow missed a show I wanted to see. And I hate it, because they take forever to load, lag all to shit, and are too small to really see. No, thanks.

                More power to you guys if you like it, though. I'm keeping my cable subscription. :D
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                  Originally posted by DakAttack View Post
                  I wouldn't mind finding some alternatives to television, but what are my options? The classic TV in the living room would require a console or computer with an internet connection. I think we're so addicted to the DVR that there's no way we could ever make the switch unless we still had access to all our favorite shows.
                  The thing is that the infrastructure is already there, they just want to make profit on it ASAP and it can't work that way. See, they like their money in one big chunk.

                  Record companies didn't want to sell songs separately for cheap when they could sell the CD overpriced. Instead they tried to persecute the people that downloaded MP3s for a while, which didn't work out. Oh sure, they got Napster after Apple hit it big. Apple saw a legit format and started a real business around it. Eventually, everyone had to play along because it was what the people wanted.

                  And this is the lesson companies are going to have to learn over and over again.

                  TV companies don't want to put out their TV shows after they broadcast them because there's all that money to be made on DVD collections in retail and syndication down the line on top of the ad revenue for the initial run.

                  They're going to hold back, hold back and hold back some more, find ways to punish the viewers rather than realize they themselves need to change and stuff like Netflix is going to become so popular and so successful they will eventually call the shots. I will not be surprised when they have the money to buy up some studios.

                  Even the gaming industry is guilty of it. They've started sharding off content from games to get the promise of a retail sale every time. Its not working, but they're punishing the consumer anyway.

                  We know what the answer here is for games, its adopting a model like Valve created with Steam. They're only going to get bigger because they're the ones people go to now on PC - Its what Nintendo, Sony and MS are going to need to do. Right now, Steam is THE online gaming storefront and no one will beat them.

                  But regardless of the obvious, all these companies want to treat us like the horse and dangle the carrot out in front of us when they're the fucking horse and its our carrot they should be chasing.

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                  Also while I have a TV, its just a glorified LED monitor I could watch TV on, but instead run Netflix and video games on. Got it a few months back, I could figure out how to pick up digital signals for the basic network channels, but really can't be bothered to try. If I really need to know what's going on the the immediate area, I have a radio.

                  Radio will never die.
                  Last edited by Omgwtfbbqkitten; 10-25-2010, 10:00 AM.

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                  • #10
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                    I'm with Aks on this one, call me old fashion. I love watching TV with cable packages. The advertisements don't bother me at all, and they give a nice break to digest what was seen. And the commercials usually come in logical places, so it's not that jarring.

                    I love just sitting on the couch channel surfing.
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                    • #11
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                      I must be old-fashioned. I'd much rather watch it on my TV than anywhere else ... especially my cell phone.
                      An issue easily fixed by connecting your laptop (or any other device) to your TV.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Ufgt View Post
                        I love just sitting on the couch channel surfing.
                        This too.

                        And connecting my laptop to my TV doesn't fix the lag issue. I'd rather watch a show that's going to come in smooth from the cable company than a free stream that skips every millisecond rendering my show unwatchable.
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                          We have the best of everything here. I d/l shit and stream to my tv perfectly fine. I also have a HUGE cable package so I have tons of channels to surf through if I feel the need. More often than not I DVR shit and can zip past ads. There are always shows/movies on the DVR because my husband is constantly saving stuff. My husband is the Darth Vader of couch potatoes. He's got everything at his fingertips and sits watching TV from 5am - 8pm/10pm. Tell him he has to get off that tv and I swear he can shoot lasers out of his bionic eyes (he's had corneal replacement surgery so we tell him he has bionic eyes).
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