Your favorite Disney hand-drawn animated feature o.o/

[Armando]

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Wouldn't be a Disney animated feature if something didn't happen to the parents.

I can't think of a whole lot of 'em. Lion King is the first to come to mind, I'm drawing a blank elsewhere, but it's kind of late and I don't really wanna think hard right now.

[Ketaru]

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I can't think of a whole lot of 'em. Lion King is the first to come to mind, I'm drawing a blank elsewhere, but it's kind of late and I don't really wanna think hard right now.

I meant a lot of the main characters in Disney movies seem to come from single parent (or no parent) family for one reason or another, usually unexplained.

[Yellow Mage]

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Bambi, of course. Though, running down the princess-involved movies, the only thing that comes to mind is Cinderella.

EDIT: Didn't make my post before Ket's, I see his point now.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Well, for this parent it was more of a natural death, it seems. He wasn't killed or anything. People complain that the prince isn't black, but I thought in terms of personal character, her father was a pretty positive role model and clearly important to Tiana.

I think one of the things Disney is guilty of is shoving the other or only parent into the background after a certain point in the movie and that does happen here. I think they established Tiana's mother well in the movie, but she does get left behind after a certain point and isn't really seen again til the end.

[Nandito]

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Lilo & Stitch, naturally. Gave me new hope for Disney!

Then again~ Mulan did come before it... eh, I pick both.

[fairyoracle75]

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I meant a lot of the main characters in Disney movies seem to come from single parent (or no parent) family for one reason or another, usually unexplained.

The reason is the source material. All of those stories had one parent die in the original fairytale before and Disney reproduced that component into the Fairytales. Most fairytales were written when high mortality rates, especially for women were common and this was reflected in folktales.

Case in point
Cinderella has ancient origins but was written in 1697 before Disney existed and when average life expectancy was only to age 35. Its estimated that out of all people born between one third and one half died before the age of about 16 which means there were a lot of orphans and children with a single living parent from a young age.

Saying every or even most of Disney's movies do something to parents is a gross over statement. When the source material called for it the parents were alive. Mulan had both her mother, father and even her grandmother. Wendy's mother and father were alive the entire movie. Lady and the Tramp featured a happy family of mother, father and baby. We are even told Dumbo's father is alive though we don't see him. Both of Sleeping Beauty's parent were alive the entire movie. 101 Dalmations featured an entire family of Dalmations with 2 parents. Heracules parents were alive. Plus I happen to know the next princess Rapunzel has both parents alive.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I haven't seen much on Rapunzel, but it sounds as though they're going for CG work with that one. I will give them credit for trying a more water-color style with it, though, I'm just getting tired of realism in CG. And it will be a musical, too, so that's at least skewing to traditional Disney.

Rapunzel doesn't seem conventionally pretty, either, more like a Kirsten Dunst, I guess. She just looks spunky, which I like.



And the more I look at that, I think that's a style of CG I can really get behind. Kudos to Disney for thinking of a way to think of a way to make it look more classic. I think my disdain for most CG just comes from being a gamer, I'm so familiar with pixel-shading, bump-mapping and all that that I spend a lot of time just comparing it to video games. I guess most of it just doesn't feel "magical" to me like handdrawn does unless they get creative with it.

I guess if I were to put it in terms of games, I like the style of Ico, the "Celda" games, SMT: Nocturne or the most recent Prince of Persia. When done right, cel-shading can have this magical, dreamy or even surreal quality. Ico actually was hand-animated, too.

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There's practically nothing on The King of the Elves, though. Just some backgrounds and that's it. That sounds like another handdrawn candidate.

[fairyoracle75]

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I haven't seen much on Rapunzel, but it sounds as though they're going for CG work with that one. I will give them credit for trying a more water-color style with it, though, I'm just getting tired of realism in CG. And it will be a musical, too, so that's at least skewing to traditional Disney.

Rapunzel doesn't seem conventionally pretty, either, more like a Kirsten Dunst, I guess. She just looks spunky, which I like.



And the more I look at that, I think that's a style of CG I can really get behind. Kudos to Disney for thinking of a way to think of a way to make it look more classic. I think my disdain for most CG just comes from being a gamer, I'm so familiar with pixel-shading, bump-mapping and all that that I spend a lot of time just comparing it to video games. I guess most of it just doesn't feel "magical" to me like handdrawn does unless they get creative with it.

I guess if I were to put it in terms of games, I like the style of Ico, the "Celda" games, SMT: Nocturne or the most recent Prince of Persia. When done right, cel-shading can have this magical, dreamy or even surreal quality. Ico actually was hand-animated, too.

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There's practically nothing on The King of the Elves, though. Just some backgrounds and that's it. That sounds like another handdrawn candidate.

My friend who is working on the story committee told me that it is fully handdrawn animated. He showed me the storyboarded sequences he's drawn for 2 sequences and the songs and its so clever. I've promised not to go into details on it since he'd get into trouble if I did and it spread. I'd say the name of the composer if I see its been released.

The pic and info you have are old. Originally it was going to be CG when the handdrawn department was abolished. I've seen current design which is somewhat similiar to the early one posted there.

I only know about Rapuzel since my friend is working on it and have no info on King of Elves.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Oh, well, there wasn't a lot current info on Rapunzel, even from Disney themselves. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing someone try out that style of CG at some point.

Studios might eventually come around on the merits on handdrawn animation, I'm glad Disney is one that's willing to go back and forth as they feel the need now rather stay full-on CG. Hopefully others will follow.

Kinda surprised they didn't use Princess and the Frog as an opportunity to promote Rapunzel. I saw previews for Toy Story 3, Despicable Me, Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakuel and the new Cats and Dogs movie but that was about it.

[fairyoracle75]

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I think it probably isn't being promoted yet since they're release date isn't final on it yet. I'm not sure if they're going with a watercolorish scheme with the backdrops but art does play a part in the story from some of the sequences I've seen and maybe they'll incorporate some things through that. (I'm so tempted to say more so I probably should shut up...)

Anyway, if Princess and the Frog, Rapunzel and King of the Elves do well then there should be no complaint on keeping the handrawn/traditional animation going since the animators and Lasseter is in their corner. Even though he's come from being Pixar's animation he's a huge advocate of 2D. Here's a quote from him in an article on Animation World Network:

And I believe strongly that there are certain things you can do in 2D animation and still can't do in CG. I think, actually, when you look at PRINCESS AND THE FROG and the amazing animation of Louis the alligator, I'm not sure that would be quite the same way in computer animation. And I always say that if you look at SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS, that the animation of the dwarfs themselves is something that's pretty much impossible to achieve in computer animation. That fluidity, that squash-and-stretch, that kind of stuff just works with hand-drawn animation. Also, the rich painted backgrounds, we took a look at the films that Walt Disney made because I asked them to aim high: I said, 'Let's make great art.' So we chose LADY AND THE TRAMP and BAMBI for the bayou scenes, the nature, the way that that was represented there, almost an Impressionistic point of view at times. And then with LADY AND THE TRAMP, the scenes of the humans and the architecture of the character design is just the pinnacle of what was Disney's personal style."

Lasseter Talks Princess and the Frog and 2D | AWN | Animation World Network

Lassater understands both styles of animation are artforms. Computer animation is not like a computer or technology which makes other things obsolete. The problem in this Country is they don't recognize animation as an art form like in most other countries. I've heard people, even critics, complain Disney is going backwards with Princess and the frog and that the traditional animation is being called antiquated. That's like saying because sculpture was invented painting is outdated and no one should do it anymore.

Another thing that makes me sad is how rare stop motion animation is anymore. At least Nick Park (Wallace and Gromit; Chicken Run;Sean the Sheep) and Tim Burton (Nightmare before Christmas; James and the Giant Peach; Corpse Bride)are keeping it alive to a degree because they're so amazing at quirky stories.