Your favorite Disney hand-drawn animated feature o.o/

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Sometimes I have to wonder if palm can ever leave face.

I was reading over on Moviefone to see where it was playing in town - apparently only in our biggest and most expensive theater. Oh well, goin' anyway. But I came upon this "controversy" about the movie.

There are people actually riled up abou the fact Tiana doesn't have a black prince to match her ethnicity. Well, first off, what's the message behind Princess and the Frog?

Don't judge a book by its cover, its what's inside the counts.

Talk about your classic WHOOSH. But I guess the princess is supposed to go "You're really a black man under all that, right? I'm picky."

People said Mulan was sexist. Well, first off, its a period piece and second of all its main character shattered gender myths by reembracing her feminine nature. The point of the story was a woman saved all of China from a Hun invasion. You don't have to be big, burly and strong man to make a difference. When she was posing as a man, of course gender stereotypes are inevitable, women and men do not socialize the same way.

"Punch him, its a man's way of saying 'hello," was actually kinda true. Whole point of her joining the army was to save her father, but to succeed she'd have to learn how differently men socialize.

The sexism is kind of needed when you want to show sexism being overcome. If the whole movie was politically correct and women were portrayed as equal to men then the message wouldn't really fly. It would be a bad interpretation of history and the legend, too.

They said Gaston portrayed what "a man is" in Beauty and the Beast. No, he showed the bad side of men. If anything, he actually was a narcissist and nobody ever thinks that's a good thing save for his closest friends and those he would manipulate anyway. I don't remember anyone sitting there saying, "Man, I want ot be like Gaston." Instead we celebrate him for the glorious bastard he's being because I guess we have to feel something for the guy before he gets himself killed. We needed someone to hate and Gaston's that guy.

The list goes on and one, but it really never ceases to be amusic when some kid needs to write a college thesis on how Disney movies are racist, sexist and whatnot. They take a snippet, blow it out of context to the rest of the movie and I guess professors pass out As for that shit, because it keeps on emerging. There are youtube videos full of this stuff.

Thank god I can watch this stuff in context and take these laughable criticisms for what they are . That or a brief facepalm.

[Ketaru]

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You know, I often read comments like that sometimes and I just don't get how people can take things so out of context.

The worst is the claim that all the Disney "princesses" are hungry for a man to save them ala the recent Twilight saga phenomenon (if anything too, the Twilight fad made it even more prevalant).

I'm glad you brought up Mulan and Beauty and the Beast because those were, in fact, contradicting of what these bored college kids are saying. Mulan is a gutsy young lady who joins the army and goes to war to spare her ailing father, not to get more cozy with the general. From the very beginning, Belle is a portrayed as a very independent woman who, like Mulan, takes her father's place to spare him a cruel fate. She didn't know The Beast was really a prince underneath it all. And she wants to live a life of adventure, not a cozy housewive's life.

The only recent "princess" I can really think of that is dying for her man's attention is Ariel, but to be honest, I'm not a big fan of her anyway. Not even others like Jasmine, who is repulsed by all the men around her making a trophy out of her, are like that. Ironically, very few of the Disney heroines are actually "princesses".

A class I once took on the Psychology of Gender once had a small workshop hosted by one of the Teaching Assistants who tried to talk about how Disney movies were sexist. We students quickly give her a laundry list of reasons why she was wrong, not dissimilar to Omgwtfbbqkitten's reply.

[Armando]

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In Ariel's defense, Whatever-his-name-was had legs. And a dick.

And her dad kept trying to stunt her sense of adventure and we all know how that works out.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Angry now.

Princess and the Frog won't been in town til December 11th. Now what am I going to do with this rainy day?

[TheGrandMom]

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Yeah, I think my parents are baffled over why I never really "grew up" myself. Could be, oh, custody battles and stuff like that which robbed me of the normal childhood. That and I don't really give a shit what other so-called "adults" think about me, as they often prove to be more childish than I am. There's a difference between childish and child-like, after all.

I read comic books, play video games and watch cartoons more often than live action television. Hell, I don't really even watch TV anymore. After so many years of MMORPGs, I stopped caring about TV. Technology eventually caught up to what I wanted, now I can just watch feature length films that I don't have to really have make time for like so much of whats on TV. If there's a TV series, it comes out digitally or on DVD/Blu Ray not too long after the season is over. No need to even bother with DVRing stuff.

Ya it drove my mother batshit insane that I wouldn't grow up. She REFUSED to buy me anything video game/anime/comic book related. She'd belittle me....like call me and say "Oh did I interrupt you playing with your toys??" in a snide voice. Then my sisters took their cue from her and followed suit. I became the family joke, and I still am. Even though I'm the most level headed, non addicted, and educated person in the family, I'm made fun of at every family event. Can you guess how many I attend? lol

I have to say the friend aspect of it has been hard. You probably won't have that issue though. There are a lot of young people that will continue to "act young" so they'll grow with you. In the era I grew up in, that really wasn't popular so there are very few grannys playing video games, collecting toys, watching anime, and reading comic books. lolololololol My attention wanes at gatherings where people I know talk about this pretty cross stitch pattern they have or how low their golf score was the other day. I have to say that most of them don't even know what my hobbies are and I'm going to keep it that way. I don't need another group of people mocking me! And having a group of friends that are 30 and under is pretty much frowned upon, so its hard to have really close friends in my situation.

Enjoy yourself Kitten! I did and my kids REALLY did! I have such a wonderful connection with my kids because I'm still young at heart. Now my grandkids are reaping the benefits too. I spent the entire afternoon the other day playing with them and my old Hot Wheels race tracks! It was a riot! lol

Are they really? I've been quite skeptical about the Blu Ray remakes.

Well Mal, I think with a great HDTV they really are so much more crisp and vibrant than the DVD's. I started by buying Monsters Inc for my grandsons since I didn't own it yet on DVD. My daughter brought over her DVD version and we did a little comparison and I do think its better. Now is it so much better that you should run out and buy all new Blu-ray versions? I would say no. It would be cheaper to buy a decent upscaling DVD player because they really do give regular DVD's a nice boost in quality on a HDTV. If I didn't have the movie on DVD would I buy it on Blu instead? Yes, probably. I'd wait for a good sale and pick it up. It might take a few months for the price to drop though. I prefer to buy my blu's closer to DVD release prices. lol (Absolutely loving some of the blu sales this Christmas season!!)

[fairyoracle75]

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Yes and there's also some "religious fundamentalist group" that pauses every frame of a disney movie, runs the dialogue backwards and peers into every frame looking for sexual innuendo and finds it. They do this when they're released onto DVD/VHS and it gets me everytime. They claim ever Disney movie ever made is trying to encourage children to have sex...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fCLx-mFLg&feature=fvw"]YouTube- Subliminal Messages in Disney Movies[/ame]

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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When you play the Dora the Explorer theme backwards, she says "Bow down to me." I saw it on Flipnote Hatena.

But its the same whether its a some too-liberal college kid or hyper-conservative religious group - they just take one instance and blow it out of context or read things into it that aren't there, just like people can hear Dora say "Bow down to me" so long as they play it backwards and listen really hard.

[Feba]

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In Ariel's defense, Whatever-his-name-was had legs. And a dick.

where cock go?

[Ketaru]

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You know, after reading the replies, I was thinking about Disney and exoticism and how a few select characters of Beauty and the Beast speak with a French accent. And I randomly just realized...

...I wasn't aware, up until just now, the double meaning of "I've been burned by you before!" I always just took it for the literal meaning of Lumiere's candles burning the feather duster and not that he broke her heart at one point.

I feel pretty stupid now.

[Durahansolo]

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where cock go?

NSFW

[fairyoracle75]

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Yeah. Honestly if you looked hard enough you could see or hear what you want. That's why it makes me laugh when I see these claims.

As for the line in Beauty and the Beast I think its funny this group never pointed that obvius innuendo out. If Disney actually wants to make an innuendo they will they wouldn't resort to subliminal idiocy. I mean these people have no clue how much effort goes into animation and how much adding stupid extra layers would be.

The only other thing I can think of directly, which was unintentional, when Who Framed Roger Rabbit came out on Lazer Lisc it sharpened the picture enough to reveal a naked Jessica Rabbit under her dress in one shot. Apparently the animator did it as a joke and it was covered up by paint etc in the shot in the movie but the Lazer picture (DVD HD prototype format really) sharpened it more than a projector or video would so you could just make it out under the not so thick layer. Disney recalled the discs, corrected it and apologized. If those so called messages wouldn't you think they'd of done the same?

[Queen Uma]

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Actually the artist's joke in Who Framed Roger Rabbit was that they drew her without knickers during the scene when the car crashes. Jessica spins out of the car, legs apart and faced the camera for two frames. The British animators got sick of the American art director constantly berating them for delays that weren't even their fault. He also flew to England on more than one occasion to tell them about a tiny problem or have a go at them in person when he could have simply informed them over the phone and they would have rectified it some 12 hours earlier.

The joke made it into a few spools during the initial release but they quickly edited in some knickers once they found out.

[fairyoracle75]

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Actually the artist's joke in Who Framed Roger Rabbit was that they drew her without knickers during the scene when the car crashes. Jessica spins out of the car, legs apart and faced the camera for two frames. The British animators got sick of the American art director constantly berating them for delays that weren't even their fault. He also flew to England on more than one occasion to tell them about a tiny problem or have a go at them in person when he could have simply informed them over the phone and they would have rectified it some 12 hours earlier.

Ah, I'd never heard exactly what the nudity was. I guess what happened when the Lazer Disc was released is one of those spools with the undieless shots wasn't destroyed and used for the first batch of lazer discs. I remember the uproar and recall of the discs. I bet the animator was pleased it caused problems 2x.

[Empedocles]

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Lazer

The correct way to spell this is with an S. It's not a matter of US English vs UK English, as LASER is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. There is no 'Z' in there whatsoever.

/grammarnazi.

[Aksannyi]

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Well the "take off your clothes" bit in Aladdin actually does exist, so it's not just a subliminal thing. But you have to have the volume up so damn high that it hurts the shit out of your ears to watch the rest of the scene unfold around it.

Probably someone heard it while watching it with some half-deaf kid or something. Anyone who actively goes out looking for these things has way too much time on their hands.