X-Men Origins

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Check the video at 1:38

Probably some dream sequence merged with a flashback, again, Wolverine's memory isn't the most reliable thing.

Of course, they never said in the movies that he didn't have claws before the experiment and for a long period of time in the comics, Wolverine had bone claws minus the adamantium. He even took on a more animalistic look for a while. Again, they can take liberties with this just as much as making Spidy's webbing organic rather than stuff he shoots out of cartridges.

Also, I'm sick of ppl going on about the Dark Knight >_>

Yes it's very good movie, but I still love Tim Burton's movies and Mask of the Phantasm (arguably the best batman story ever)

Now you know how other people feel when various people continue to go on and on about how awesome they think FFVII is compared to other RPGs. Except The Dark Knight came out this year and is very relevant and topical when it comes to the discussion of comic book movies.

Gushing about the first game to pop your RPG cherry 11 years ago, however, gets old really fucking fast.

[Caspian]

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Well crap on a stick. I'll look at it tonight when I get home and send you the gil, TGM.
No, they didn't say he wouldn't have them, but I'm surprised they talked about them and showed them.

Did anyone remember that comic book series I talked about in my first post? Curious is someone has a better memory for it than myself.

[TheGrandMom]

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Probably some dream sequence merged with a flashback, again, Wolverine's memory isn't the most reliable thing.


Of course, they never said in the movies that he didn't have claws before the experiment and for a long period of time in the comics, Wolverine had bone claws minus the adamantium. He even took on a more animalistic look for a while. Again, they can take liberties with this just as much as making Spidy's webbing organic rather than stuff he shoots out of cartridges.

Check out the picture. They do look rather "boney". They definately aren't shiny or metal looking. It will be interesting to see what direction they take though.

Now you know how other people feel when various people continue to go on and on about how awesome they think FFVII is compared to other RPGs. Except The Dark Knight came out this year and is very relevant and topical when it comes to the discussion of comic book movies.

Gushing about the first game to pop your RPG cherry 11 years ago, however, gets old really fucking fast.

For this you get my thanks! I'm so sick of "FFVII IS THE BEST FF EVER!" that I could puke.

[Malacite]

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Gushing about the first game to pop your RPG cherry 11 years ago, however, gets old really fucking fast.

You speak as though I'm not already sick of the FF7 fanboys. To be fair, it has stood the test of time as an epic RPG classic.


I know this movie is about Wolverine, but god damn I really hope the guy playing Gambit does a good job... Gambit


Also I second the Triple H for Sabertooth nomination

[Ziero]

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Probably some dream sequence merged with a flashback, again, Wolverine's memory isn't the most reliable thing.

Of course, they never said in the movies that he didn't have claws before the experiment and for a long period of time in the comics, Wolverine had bone claws minus the adamantium. He even took on a more animalistic look for a while. Again, they can take liberties with this just as much as making Spidy's webbing organic rather than stuff he shoots out of cartridges.

Wasn't one of the biggest questions about Wolverine whether or not his claws were a natural mutant power or related effect of the admantium bonding? Which was answered when he lost the metal but kept the claws. While they are taking liberties with a lot of the story, the basic background seems to be kept in tact, and the bone claws are technically part of that now.

Now you know how other people feel when various people continue to go on and on about how awesome they think FFVII is compared to other RPGs. Except The Dark Knight came out this year and is very relevant and topical when it comes to the discussion of comic book movies.

Gushing about the first game to pop your RPG cherry 11 years ago, however, gets old really fucking fast.

My first RPG was actually Phantasy Start II, but FFVII was still one of my favorites. While people gushing over it can get annoying fast, people who dislike it because so many gush over it can get annoying just as fast.

Did anyone remember that comic book series I talked about in my first post? Curious is someone has a better memory for it than myself.

I knew of X-factor, but I never really read the comics. Maybe a few issues here and there but never enough to to understand fully story arcs.

Check out the picture. They do look rather "boney". They definately aren't shiny or metal looking. It will be interesting to see what direction they take though.

I doubt they'll do much with them, prolly won't even see em past that scene is my guess. But it's a quick and easy way to answer that "where did they come from" question before it actually pops up for this film.

[BurningPanther]

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Wolverine's memory wasn't previously reliable, but it is now. The aftermath of the "House of M" crossover left him with with full retention of his memories. Every detail from the manifestation of his mutation up to now. The series "Wolverine: Origins" details him revisiting some of the blacker parts of his past.

And the nature of his claws was answered both when he lost the adamantium("Fatal Attractions" climax), and in the "Origin" limited series. His claws are part of his mutation.

I don't make the connection between X-Factor and this movie. The team Wolverine previously belonged to was Weapon X, an splinter of a larger organization(Weapon Plus), designed for Black Ops for Canadian Intelligence. Team X(Logan, Creed, Maverick), were a unit of Weapon X. And Gambit was never a Weapon X subject, though it wouldn't surprise me that he'd have crossed paths with them at some point. Personally, I think it's just fan service. They threw Gambit in because people have been drooling over him.

X-Factor was completely different, originally a team of the original five X-Men, masquerading as mutant hunters. The movie could play the Weapon X program as a mutant hunting organization(which isn't a stretch, given it's last incarnation as well as it's parent program), it all depends on where they wanna go with it.


On the subject of Sabretooth, I'm a bit disappointed that Tyler Mane won't be resuming the role--I thought he had the look and the intensity to match the character in the first X-Men movie. Although, Liev Schreiber is not a terrible choice(I imagine his resume is a bit longer than Mane's), he's not the sort of guy I envision playing a cold sociopath like Sabretooth.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Going back over the image...



And that night after Joe Chill shot young Bruce Logan's parents, he swore to fight superstitious and cowardly criminals as...

THE DARK CLAW!!



And yes, I have a copy of this. Jubilee plays "Sparrow" his cheeky sidekick.

[TheGrandMom]

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On the subject of Sabretooth, I'm a bit disappointed that Tyler Mane won't be resuming the role--I thought he had the look and the intensity to match the character in the first X-Men movie. Although, Liev Schreiber is not a terrible choice(I imagine his resume is a bit longer than Mane's), he's not the sort of guy I envision playing a cold sociopath like Sabretooth.

I'm VERY disappointed with their choice of actor for Sabertooth. He just doesn't scream Sabertooth to me one bit....at all.....zero......ziltch.......nada!!! Mane was the PERFECT choice and I hear he wasn't even asked.

THE DARK CLAW!!

I choked when I saw this.

[LilithAngel]

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THE DARK CLAW!!

Awesome.

[Caspian]

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Yeah, I remember when they did that one. DC also did one on their own where Kal'El crashed on the Wayne grounds and became Bruce Wayne. Batman with Superman's powers.

[w1nddancer]

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Actually ,as an avid collector of wolverine comics .. ( owning every wolverine comic made because i own a comic book store) Wolverine never had bone claws till issue number #75 where magneto took his admamantium from him. Then when he saw his claws and they were bone , he said , maybe i always had them but never knew it.

He never became an animal until issue #100 where they tried to give him his metal back and it didn't turn out so well.

The characters you see , are prolly the weapon X project , which had wolvy , sabertooth , creed and maverick who worked for the government as assassins and special work task force. Lady deathstrike was the first to get adamantium put inside of her. it ruined her mind and she almost didnt live threw the process. they realized they can proceed with more perfect weapons , but they needed mutants with super healing powers , thast when both wolvie and sabertooth were to get them next. Howver , Wolvie left weapon X already so they had to kidnap him. Wolvie however destroyed the lab and sabertooth never got his metal. They were all friends until the lab incident , then Sabertooth blamed him for the loss of his wife/Gf who died then and wolverine hated Sabertooth for killing omega reds wife and lying to him about his memory implants and thats when there war started that we know of today. I have the Origins mini series that came out almost 10 years ago for wolverine. i WAS assuming that the movie was going to be based on that , but now im not sure if they will. I wont say what his real name was tho cuz thats part of owning comics >>



As for wolvies memory , it was always perfect until the weapon X project started to do experiments on him. the only documented thing done to him was the metal graph but there were many undocumented tests done on him that messed with his brain, Mostly memory implants. Im hoping they show Wolvie in Aplha flight After he left weapon X . should be interesting seeing those guys in real life. Im really glad gambit is in the movie , but gambits timline is screwy because he never know wolverine until xmen days , so i dunno

There is a SHITTON of history with wolverine , long long before he became a part of X-men , i could go into detail , but honestly its easier to pick up a paperback and read up on it =)

i saw that they are showing off his world war 1 and 2 days , im hoping we get to see Captain America the original Weapon #1 and wolvie is #10 .. as well as all the other Weapon projects

And did i see Deadpool >> i think i did! drool

[BurningPanther]

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Actually ,as an avid collector of wolverine comics .. ( owning every wolverine comic made because i own a comic book store) Wolverine never had bone claws till issue number #75 where magneto took his admamantium from him. Then when he saw his claws and they were bone , he said , maybe i always had them but never knew it.

It's called retcon, kind of. From the first appearance of Wolverine(Hulk 180-181), his past has been ambiguous. It wasn't until issue 75(the aftermath of X-Men 25, where Magneto removes the adamantium), was a long-held(since Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X mini-series in Marvel Comics Presents) fan question answered, of whether or not the claws are natural or came with the adamantium. Of course he wouldn't know whether or not he always had them--he didn't even remember his own beginnings.

He never became an animal until issue #100 where they tried to give him his metal back and it didn't turn out so well.

Not quite. From the reader's perspective, yes, that was the first time he was fully beastial, but since his introduction to the X-Men, he's always resorted to a feral state whenever he manifested his once-famous "Berserker Rages."

The feral state in 100 wasn't his first, though. In-continuity, his first feral state was seen at the end of the "Origin" mini-series, where the mental trauma of losing his friend(and Crush) Rose reverted him to a wild mindset, where he retreated into the Canadian wilderness with some wolves he befriended.

The characters you see , are prolly the weapon X project , which had wolvy , sabertooth , creed and maverick who worked for the government as assassins and special work task force. Lady deathstrike was the first to get adamantium put inside of her. it ruined her mind and she almost didnt live threw the process. they realized they can proceed with more perfect weapons , but they needed mutants with super healing powers , thast when both wolvie and sabertooth were to get them next. Howver , Wolvie left weapon X already so they had to kidnap him. Wolvie however destroyed the lab and sabertooth never got his metal. They were all friends until the lab incident , then Sabertooth blamed him for the loss of his wife/Gf who died then and wolverine hated Sabertooth for killing omega reds wife and lying to him about his memory implants and thats when there war started that we know of today. I have the Origins mini series that came out almost 10 years ago for wolverine. i WAS assuming that the movie was going to be based on that , but now im not sure if they will. I wont say what his real name was tho cuz thats part of owning comics >>

how can you own every Wolverine issue produced and get it so wrong?

Yes, the majority of the characters introduced are Weapon X operatives/associates. John Wraith, Wolverine, Sabretooth, Silver Fox, and maybe Maverick. Everyone other than Wolverine and Sabretooth have more association with Departments H and K than with Weapon X, however. They were conditioned at the behest of Canadian intelligence by Weapon X to make better operatives.

Lady Deathstrike was not the first to have adamantium, not even close. Deathstrike is known as Yukio Oyama, daughter of Lord Darkwind, the man who developed the adamantium bonding process. Darkwind would die under mysterious circumstances, and the bonding process, stolen by Weapon X, would be used on Wolverine. Yukio sees Wolverine with adamantium bones, and assumes he is to blame for her father's death. In her quest for vengance, she appeals to Donald Pierce, who enhances her cybernetically, and coats her claws(pay attention, her claws only), with adamantium. She develops a fixation on Wolverine.

Team X, the Omega Red debacle, and Sabretooth's "murder" of Silver Fox all came well before the Weapon X project. Sabretooth would rape and kill Logan's lover, Silver Fox, on his birthday. Many years and some memory modification later, Sabretooth(Creed), Logan, and Maverick would find themselves part of Team X, a black ops unit. On a mission to extract a double-agent(Janice Hollenbeck) holding Russian super soldier Omega Red's Achillies Heel, Sabretooth callously and needlessly murders Hollenbeck, inciting Wolverine's fury. This is just one of many reasons(as well as the aforementioned rape/murder), Wolverine comes to hate Sabretooth.

Sometime afterward, Wolverine is selected for the Weapon X program, kidnapped, experimented upon, and then breaks free to kill almost everyone in the facility in a Berserker Rage. He escapes to the Canadian wilderness, living like an animal until found by James and Heather Hudson, who rehabilitate him before returning him to the Canadian military. It is at the point we see him in Incredible Hulk 180-181, and shortly thereafter, he joins the X-Men(Giant Size X-Men #1).

As for wolvies memory , it was always perfect until the weapon X project started to do experiments on him. the only documented thing done to him was the metal graph but there were many undocumented tests done on him that messed with his brain, Mostly memory implants. Im hoping they show Wolvie in Aplha flight After he left weapon X . should be interesting seeing those guys in real life. Im really glad gambit is in the movie , but gambits timline is screwy because he never know wolverine until xmen days , so i dunno

No. Read the "Origin" mini-series. Wolverine's memory issues were a product of his healing factor. In his formative years, his mind would "scar over" the memory of any events that were traumatic to him. Any major loss or pain he felt would simply be healed away from his memory to keep him from breaking down. The memory modification would not come until hundreds of years after his mutation manifested. It's entirely possible that his natural "healing" of memories made the memory modification experiments smoother, but as the "Wolverine" series progresses, it is shown that his healing factor was eroding the implants anyways.

I'm not aware of prior run-ins between Wolverine and Gambit. All I know for certain is that Gambit and Sabretooth have had a long, bloody history. It wouldn't surprise me if Gambit--being a world-traveling, skilled thief--ran afoul of Weapon X at some point. That's why his appearance in this movie isn't such a stretch.

There is a SHITTON of history with wolverine , long long before he became a part of X-men , i could go into detail , but honestly its easier to pick up a paperback and read up on it =)

i saw that they are showing off his world war 1 and 2 days , im hoping we get to see Captain America the original Weapon #1 and wolvie is #10 .. as well as all the other Weapon projects

And did i see Deadpool >> i think i did! drool

What it looks like is that this movie will be a mash-up of varying events in Wolverine's history: snippets from his youth, his time served in the war, but mostly detailing his relationship with Weapon X and it's operatives.

And Deadpool's appearance doesn't surprise me, either. He to was associated with Weapon X for a brief--it was either Department H or Weapon X that gave him his abilities, if I recall.

[Durahansolo]

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admamantium

Well since there is Admamantium I wonder if there is Dadamantium as well.

[Ziero]

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Comic books.

Serious Business.

[w1nddancer]

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Well Panther , it was 2am , and because i watch the cartoons , read the comics , and watch the movies , sometimes comic book history gets joggled. Anywho im excited to see the movie , wolverine has always been my favorite comic book hero , long before the x-men craze.

I stand corrected , but im sure that much of his history is going to be fubar'd in the movie anyways :/