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  • The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

    I recently got back into reading comics. Looks like I've picked a hell of a time to return to one of my favorites, too - Batman.

    The "R.I.P" storyarch has only just begun. This time, unlike 1994's "Knightfall" its not a full on assault of Arkham's inmates wearing Batman down for him to be broken, the entire basis of his mission and some of the people closest to him are brought into question.

    Years ago, Batman took a fall and fractured his skull. He's treated by a mysterious doctor, who uncovers his identy, but more insidiously implants a hypnotic trigger in his mind. On top of this, a recent bomb scare withn Gotham leads to a long-lost dossier. This dossier not only bring's Batman's butler's identity into question, but also that he possibly fathered Bruce Wayne and also that the incident that defined Bruce Wayne's life wasn't a random mugging gone awry, but a hired hit on Martha Wayne by Thomas Wayne and suggests Thomas Wayne's death was faked.

    Of course, there's also a mysterious hand behind all this and Batman is desparately trying to figure out who it is, all he has to go on is the name "Black Glove." Batman is stalked by the henchmen, he questions some of his biggest enemies. When asked in Arkham, the Joker didn't speak, merely dealt a dead man's hand (8,1,8,1 or, in letters "H.A. H.A.").

    Buttons handed out at a recent comic convention have brought a lot of speculation as well. The buttons picture Nightwing (Dick Grayson, the first Robin) Robin (Tim Drake, the third Robin), Jason Todd (the second Robin, resurrected in Infinite Crisis) and Hush and the quote "I am Batman" is on each button.

    There's a grim sense of finality to the start of this story. Some think Bruce Wayne will die, that he'll go into hiding or that someone will replace him as Batman. Whatever the case, he's being attacked from within and everything we know about Bruce Wayne is questioned. This wouldn't be the first time Batman was replaced, though, it happened after Knightfall by both Jean Paul Valley (aka Azrael) and Dick Grayson. Both were temporary.

    This also comes in the midst of Final Crisis, the last part of the Crisis storyline that began in 1984 and following up 2004's Infinite Crisis and 52. In a way, the idea of Bruce Wayne as Batman ending is kinda sad, but considering all the DC comic book heroes that passed on thier mantle to others, perhaps its finally time for a new guy to be Batman. After all, he's been at this for like 60 years now.

    Passing on the mantle isn't so much of a Marvel Comics thing, if they fuck a character up, they restart his comic from #1 (see Spiderman). DC just creates these "crisis" stories to patch things up and creates a multiverse around the characters and timelines so they never have to restart, though Green Lantern and countless others get cancelled then the new Green Lantern comics just pick up where it left off.

    I kinda have a harder time taking the Superman comics seriously, though. Maybe its just me, but I liked evil corporate Lex Luthor better than SuperFriends Lex Luthor, which he seems to have reverted to. Well, Wayne Enterprises did overtake LexCorp, more proof you don't fuck with Batman. Superman just puts you in jail, Batman takes your company.

    That fact leads me to think Bruce Wayne will live and he'll leave the Batman gig a winner.

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    Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

    Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
    but also that he possibly fathered Bruce Wayne and also that the incident that defined Bruce Wayne's life wasn't a random mugging gone awry, but a hired hit on Martha Wayne by Thomas Wayne and suggests Thomas Wayne's death was faked.
    I'd like to be locked in a room with a pair of pliers and the writers of this shit.

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    • #3
      Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

      70 years after a character's introduction is always the perfect time to re-write his origin.

      /sarcasm

      Honestly, I have never been a huge DC fan. I see the appeal, I just don't share it.

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      • #4
        Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

        /nosarcasm

        Sometimes I feel less of a geek because I don't know jack shit about comics.

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        • #5
          Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

          Originally posted by Grizzlebeard View Post
          I'd like to be locked in a room with a pair of pliers and the writers of this shit.
          Take it up with Grant Morrison, but whether this information in the story is true or not is yet to be revealed. This is just where the story is starting from. The story seems like it will be ongoing for the next four months between Batman, Dectective Comics, Nightwing, Robin and also Batman and the Outsiders.

          Also, Murphie, they've retold his origin countless times now, this would be the first time they've actually brought some of the history behind it into question. However, the mugger was a guy named Joe Chill and so far, his involvement was left out of this plot. There's also the possible involvment of the Joker, Jason Todd and Hush to flesh out in the current plot.

          Brief explaination about Jason Todd. He was the second Robin and the Joker killed him. Well, actually the readers did, in 1988 readers got to vote whether he lived or died. Joker beat him with a tire iron, locked him in a shed with a bomb. Boom. During Infinite Crisis (too much to explain here) aspects or reality are shattered and Jason's alive again. He's pretty ticked off about how he died and angry that Batman didn't kill the Joker. Thus begins his career as a villian. He takes on Joker's original criminal persona - The Red Hood - for his new identity and has since cause a lot of problems, including an attempt on the Joker's life and attacks on Nightwing.

          Hush is a newer villian. Dunno much about him, really, other than he's definately got a reason to get involved if the Joker shows up outside of Arkham. Seems they clashed when working together and somehow Joker placed a peacemaker on Hush's heart that he could manipulate by remote control for a time. Yeah, that would piss me off, too.

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          • #6
            Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

            I was a fan of the Knigtfall storyline back in the day. So on that note is the R.I.P storyline worth the investment?

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            • #7
              Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

              Seems like its on the scale of Knightfall, but the writers are going in a very different direction with this, I'd at least pick up Batman #677 and see if you like it enough to continue from there. The cover art is by the totally awesome Alex Ross and main art by Tony Daniel.

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              • #8
                Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                I'd be completely shocked if it all actually ended with Bruce Wayne nolonger being Batman. He was paralyzed once before and came back and Superman died before coming back and then became an energy being before being returned to normal. I hold atleast a little faith that DC isn't stupid enough to fuck with one of their two biggest cash cows. Just based off what you wrote, I imagine he faked his own death to throw people off and so he could investigate his history further.
                Does sound like I need to pick it up and see what I think for myself.
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                • #9
                  Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                  Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                  Brief explaination about Jason Todd. He was the second Robin and the Joker killed him. Well, actually the readers did, in 1988 readers got to vote whether he lived or died. Joker beat him with a tire iron, locked him in a shed with a bomb. Boom.
                  I remember that as it hit the shelves, the decision stunned a lot of people. I always thought it was kind of twisted the way he made his sidekick wear bright colours while he slunk around in the dark. "Hi, I'm Robin, the walking target..."

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                    Comic book writers are just as bad as Hollywood. Honestly I don't know how there can be long time fans of these series.
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                    • #11
                      Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                      Well, my sneaking suspicion really is that he'll probably stay Batman, but that something about his past or someone close to him will be forever changed. Revisiting the idea of ending Batman's career wouldn't be done lightly, seeing as Knightfall was a very memorable storyarch, which was followed by Knightquest and Knight's End. Even though that storyline was fourteen years ago, its fresh in the minds of readers.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                        If they did kill him off, at first readership would be up, its a change everyone wants to see how it is, but before too long it would drop considerably. I don't think its the first time that they've made changes to his past, though nothing as big as this. I remember reading on the wiki that the guy who murdered his parents switched back and forth between just some random guy to Joe Chill a couple times.
                        In regards to the voting on killing Jason Todd, I saw the numbers on who voted for what, the vote to kill him won by only about 100 votes. And most of the outrage over killing him came from people who hadn't read it in years and thought they killed Dick Grayson.
                        I don't know if I've seen the conversation here, but we used to have it quite a bit when I was doing dynamis: Nothing is permanent in comic books. Magneto has died only a few dozen times in X-Men, but there's always some loophole. Cyclops has died and returned along with Phoenix and Xavier. Superman died, came back. He became a being of pure energy, returned to normal. Batman became paralyzed, got better and resumed being Batman. Gotham was utterly destroyed by an earthquake, now everything is all better. Tbh, I'm surprised Oracle is still paralyzed and Hal Jordan isn't Green Lantern again. Those are about the only big things just about any comic company has done (smaller, edgier companies not withstanding) and kept to it.
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                        • #13
                          Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                          Well, if the fixed Oracle's paralysis, she'd become Batgirl again. I like Barbara Gordon as Oracle, though, she's made for a great character since she took on that role.

                          Hal Jordan is a Green Lantern again. Oa and the Corp were restored as a result of Infinite Crisis. Guy Gardener left the JLA to rejoin them, mooned Batman from the outside of the JLA Watchtower. Batman told Kyle Rayner to tell Guy he needed a shave.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                            Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                            Hal Jordan is a Green Lantern again.
                            Oh, nice. Its been ages since I've read a comic book, even longer since I read JLA.
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                            • #15
                              Re: The Knight Falls Again? - Batman: R.I.P

                              Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten View Post
                              Seems like its on the scale of Knightfall, but the writers are going in a very different direction with this, I'd at least pick up Batman #677 and see if you like it enough to continue from there. The cover art is by the totally awesome Alex Ross and main art by Tony Daniel.
                              Hows the art style looking for Batman these days. ITs been awhile since I thumbed thru one.

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