Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

[Malacite]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

Windows XP != 32 bit OS. Kthxbai.

For clarity (and this is taken from Wikipedia because it's so simple I don't even need a more reliable source) "Some operating systems reserve portions of process address space for OS use, effectively reducing the total address space available for mapping memory for user programs. For instance, Windows XP DLLs and userland OS components are mapped into each process's address space, leaving only 2 to 3.8 GB (depending on the settings) address space available, even if the computer has 4 GiB of RAM."

You must really love having your foot in your mouth Feba.

also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...al_x64_Edition


Yes, XP is 32 bit. But there are 64 bit versions.


Also see:

http://www.geek.com/windows-xp-maximum-memory/

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt/RAM.html

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html


Interesting stuff.

[Feba]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

The point was that Windows != the sum of all OS. Reading is fun. Not to mention the fact that you mention x64, which technically proves my point that "XP isn't a 32-bit OS" if you take it literally.

As I'm saying for the second time now, that is a limitation of WINDOWS, *NOT* 32-bit OS, not to mention it's a fairly minor limitation, and Microsoft could probably work around it if they wanted to.

If you want to play references, have a look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_limitations

A 32-bit register meant that 232 addresses, or 4 gigabytes of RAM, could be referenced.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,11...1/article.html

Today's 32-bit Intel and AMD chips can address up to 4GB of memory

http://www.brianmadden.com/content/a...t-really-mean-

By definition, a 32-bit processor uses 32 bits to refer to the location of each byte of memory. 2^32 = 4.2 billion, which means a memory address that's 32 bits long can only refer to 4.2 billion unique locations (i.e. 4 GB).

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/294418

(In a table: 32-bit Windows: 4 GB)
...
the operating system does not have to share that 4 GB of space.

To make this extra clear for you, 32-bit systems are perfectly capable of handling 4GB of RAM. Windows not recognizing more than 2 or 3.5 or whatever is windows using that space for other things, and has nothing to do with 32-bit itself. 32-bit goes up to 4GB, and even the simplest of explanations of it would have told you that.

Now please Malacite, you have already shown us that you don't know what you're talking about enough times in enough threads that people are starting to laugh at you in PM. Drop it and save your dignity.

[Malacite]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

Then that post I read on a tech forum (I was curious about this limitation a few weeks ago) was wrong. Either that or I'm just not remembering it correctly.

Basically the guy said 64 bit OS are the answer to RAM limit, allowing up to 8 GB.

[Feba]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

A- yes, it was wrong.
B- That guy is an idiot. 64 bit allows up to 16 (or 64, it's late and I'm not going to look it up. Fairly sure it's 16 though) *exabytes* of memory, for reference, it goes kilo, mega, giga, tera, peta, and then exa. So that's a *lot* of memory. 9.25 exabytes of storage would be enough to store *every telephone communication made in the United States in a year*. That's a *lot* of storage.

Some 64-bit OS might be capped at 8GB, though, I'm fairly sure all 64-bit OS nowadays impose a restriction on memory. The highest I've heard of is a linux kernel that can use up to 64GB of RAM in 64-bit mode. But again, RAM sticks large enough to facilitate that require the budget of a small army, the average person will be just fine using a computer off the shelf today for 5-10 years realistically, unless they demand the latest and greatest in games.

P.S. This is why you don't trust people on forums. People on forums are usually wrong.

[Yellow Mage]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

P.S. This is why you don't trust people on forums. People on forums are usually wrong.

Coming from anybody else, this would have been ironic.

EDIT: Mind if I sig'd that?

[PhiberOpticks]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

The point was that Windows != the sum of all OS. Reading is fun. Not to mention the fact that you mention x64, which technically proves my point that "XP isn't a 32-bit OS" if you take it literally.

Thinking the opposite of what you believe isn't exactly figurative. So I don't see how taking it literally changes anyones perception of it. It's a silly battle of semantics if you ask me and not worth continuing.

But anyways, I would like to proclaim that I bet that Blu-ray would win the format war from the start and damn was I right. Sony's shitting all over Toshiba.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

Technical, 32bit addressing just means directly addressable memory space is limited to 4 GB. If a 32bit CPU is coupled with a memory controller (and OS) capable of using banked memory, though, the system can access far more RAM than 4 GB.

Of course, last time I read about banked memory was a reference to Commodore 128, which uses 8bit addressing but has 128KB of RAM, IIRC. (No, don't ask what that means. It's not really worth knowing.) XD

[Malacite]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

Waay off topic now lol, but thanks for clearing that up Feba.


To be fair though, I've solved a lot of techincal problems with my PC
over the years thanks to forum help.

[Feba]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

EDIT: Mind if I sig'd that?

Not at all.

To be fair though, I've solved a lot of techincal problems with my PC
over the years thanks to forum help.

As has everyone else. There's not a soul alive that's never had to ask for help with a computer problem.

Well, maybe some mac users. Maybe.

[Malacite]

Re: Target Goes the Blu-Ray Route

>. > not true. I can't tell you how many times people in highschool had issues with a Mac.

But then you have to take into account that most of them likely had (and I'd wager they still do) double-digit I.Q.

I have seen a few glitches myself, like a program crashing or freezing, but nothing major (I've never seen the fabled Windows Blue Screen either for that matter)