Batman Vs Superman

[Caspian]

Re: Batman Vs Superman

Think about it.

Batman and Superman are probably the 2 worst super 'heroes' that anyone has ever come up with, for completely opposite reasons.

Batman has zero powers. None. He's rich so he buys shit. Donald Trump is as much of a superhero as Batman. I mean, how lame is that? "I can't take anybody on, man-to-man, so I'll just buy weapons to kill their asses." Lame.

Superman blows too much for words. He has too many powers to be interesting. Invulnerable, heat vision, x-ray vision, freeze breath, flight, speed, strength, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something here. What crap. The only thing that hurts him is a rock from effing light years away, so you have this lame plot element that won't go away where Earthlings miraculously keep finding this crap and trying to kill him with it. How heroic can he be if his safety is never on the line? Not at all.

Marvel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC. Forever. Amen.

/sigh
Ok, Batman. More than just being rich.
1. He's an absolute super genius. They don't call him the detective for nothing. He has an incredible deductive mind. He can get out of most situations without having to do much of anything.
2. He can take just about anyone on man to man. He martial arts master. No mere mortal can hold a candle to his fighting prowess. And unless they're just absolutely super strong, then he can usually hold his own in that case too. He's brains and brawn.
Superman. He's not invulnerable. Other super strong beings can still fight him. That and he doesn't have the super intellect that people like Lex Luthor and Batman have.

I do like Marvel too though. Cyclops and Cable ftw.

[Grizzlebeard]

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I think Marvel has a more complete universe with inter-related characters and storylines but I still hold a flame for DC simply because of Batman, Superman, The Flash, The Green Lantern, and, of course, the Watchmen.

[Feba]

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Batman is a rich guy who wants to get some toys and fight crime.

http://nodating4batman.ytmnd.com/


Rich kid with issues. Get it right.

[Grizzlebeard]

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He dresses in gray and black and has baggage, he was an emo pioneer.

[Hamlet]

Re: Batman Vs Superman

Think about it.

Batman and Superman are probably the 2 worst super 'heroes' that anyone has ever come up with, for completely opposite reasons.

Batman has zero powers. None. He's rich so he buys shit. Donald Trump is as much of a superhero as Batman. I mean, how lame is that? "I can't take anybody on, man-to-man, so I'll just buy weapons to kill their asses." Lame.

Superman blows too much for words. He has too many powers to be interesting. Invulnerable, heat vision, x-ray vision, freeze breath, flight, speed, strength, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something here. What crap. The only thing that hurts him is a rock from effing light years away, so you have this lame plot element that won't go away where Earthlings miraculously keep finding this crap and trying to kill him with it. How heroic can he be if his safety is never on the line? Not at all.

Marvel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC. Forever. Amen.

I disagree. I think they are two of the best superheroes. Superman is just that, he's "super". He's the most powerful superhero and only has one weakness, really. He is the ideal.

Then there's Batman. He's appeal is his vulnerability. He's completely human, but uses his mind and ingenuity to beat his villians.

I'm more of a marvel fan too, but there's a good reason these two superheroes were so successful. I was a big fan of Spiderman growing up, and I think it was because he was alot like Batman. Spiderman has powers, but really he's not much stronger than Batman. The best thing about Spiderman is his sense of humor, which never really came accross in the movies.

btw, I saw the new Superman and it's just "OK". Great special effects but the script was so so.

[Eohmer]

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Spiderman has powers, but really he's not much stronger than Batman.

"Spider-man actually has the strength of about 100 men. He can lift (press) ten tons. That is lifting ten tons completely over his head, one of the hardest lifts you can do. He could probably pick up over twenty tons off the ground. Assuming that an average man can lift 200 pounds over his head (and as a powerlifter myself, that's being generous), he's about as strong as 100 men."

[neighbortaru]

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some of you need to train harder in your geek-fu

[Ryddr]

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I think strength would be the deciding factor in this one...sure batman's a frickin' genius, but there's only one thing you can use against Superman. He'd need to have weapons made of kryptonite and actual be fast enough to hit Superman with them, or get them close. Best case scenario for batman...Kryptonite laser. Best case scenario for Superman....toss a few houses and industrial buildings at Batman until the muffled groaning stops.

[neighbortaru]

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I'll say it again, you need to read Dark Knight Returns

case closed.

[Awilo]

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what made them fight in the past?
How is kryptonite so easy to find?

various reasons some were rather stupid:

--who's the best? in some of the 50's comics
-- AU Red Son (if you didnt read it, better read it) where superman was born in russia instead of the US and he fights Batman as a Freedom Fighter. Something worth mentionning... in that comic version Batman defeated Wonder Woman and Superman, the two had to ally in order to kill him. Apparently he took on wonder woman one on one without any trick/cheat thingy.

--Sometime superman needed to be put under control/calm down
--Batman personal vendetta vs superman against it

As for kryptonite so easy to find, there is no logical explanation behind it...normally it should be so rare to find but well...since superman in the 40's -50's, they simply came up with the explanation that kryptonite come out of nowhere litterally or Lex luthor is manufacturing it.

[Omniblast]

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On the case of Batman vs. Superman, Batman knows he can't win if Superman goes superspeed and hits him. More recently when Poison Ivy took over Superman's mind with pheramones, Superman still had ethics where he cannot kill, Batman has no such ethics. If those ethics were somehow overridden, he would defently win vs. Batman. Batman had to rely on his brains (and the use of Catwoman) to stop Superman. Batman held off Superman with the Kryptonite Ring in his belt as well as a an assortment of items (ultrasonic device etc.)

Case, Where Superman's mind was taken over by Max Lord, he thought he was fighting Darkseid, but beat the crap outta Batman instead. Batman had to use automated defenses of the watch tower to stop superman and teleport him back down to earth.

Overall both are very balanced, given if Batman had more preperation time to fight against Superman he could win. If Superman did a surprise attack, then Batman could possibly lose.

[Draco Dagon]

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Think about it.

Batman and Superman are probably the 2 worst super 'heroes' that anyone has ever come up with, for completely opposite reasons.

Batman has zero powers. None. He's rich so he buys shit. Donald Trump is as much of a superhero as Batman. I mean, how lame is that? "I can't take anybody on, man-to-man, so I'll just buy weapons to kill their asses." Lame.

Superman blows too much for words. He has too many powers to be interesting. Invulnerable, heat vision, x-ray vision, freeze breath, flight, speed, strength, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something here. What crap. The only thing that hurts him is a rock from effing light years away, so you have this lame plot element that won't go away where Earthlings miraculously keep finding this crap and trying to kill him with it. How heroic can he be if his safety is never on the line? Not at all.

Marvel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC. Forever. Amen.

Not quite. Bruce Wayne isn't the "rich kid on the block" like you put it, albeit he is rich. He didn't go around buying any of his weapons, he had originally built Wayne Enterprises/Industries to breed new forms of technology for him to use against the city villians. Much of which, are Bruce Wayne's very own creations.


As for Batman v. Superman:

Superman does not have the will to simply kill another person-no matter how evil the person is. Batman does have the will to kill, he has the intelligence and perhaps the know-how to kill Superman. Many people may think Superman is invulnerable-but he's not, as stated, kryptonite weakens him. Bruce Wayne could gain the knowledge to manufacture kryptonite to kill Superman. (Brainiac is from his home planet, and as I recall, Lex Luthor and various others learned from Brainiac how to manufacture it.) Thus, Superman would likely lose to Batman.


P.S. The reason Batman doesn't get any superpowers as it is, is because none of his natural enemies have their own superpowers, they all have been affected by technology or a natural disaster. (Ironically, every technology a villian gets affected by either is/was technology created by Bruce Wayne, influenced by his company, or he took influence from.)

[Hantz]

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Not quite. Bruce Wayne isn't the "rich kid on the block" like you put it, albeit he is rich. He didn't go around buying any of his weapons, he had originally built Wayne Enterprises/Industries to breed new forms of technology for him to use against the city villians. Much of which, are Bruce Wayne's very own creations.


As for Batman v. Superman:

Superman does not have the will to simply kill another person-no matter how evil the person is. Batman does have the will to kill, he has the intelligence and perhaps the know-how to kill Superman. Many people may think Superman is invulnerable-but he's not, as stated, kryptonite weakens him. Bruce Wayne could gain the knowledge to manufacture kryptonite to kill Superman. (Brainiac is from his home planet, and as I recall, Lex Luthor and various others learned from Brainiac how to manufacture it.) Thus, Superman would likely lose to Batman.


P.S. The reason Batman doesn't get any superpowers as it is, is because none of his natural enemies have their own superpowers, they all have been affected by technology or a natural disaster. (Ironically, every technology a villian gets affected by either is/was technology created by Bruce Wayne, influenced by his company, or he took influence from.)

*yawn*

I was trying to get a rise out of everybody, akin to some asshat strolling into a FFXI forum and proclaiming WoW to be the best thing ever.

I'm not qualified to discuss comics, seeing as the only comics I've purchased in the last 15 years were the 3 issues of "Wolverine vs. Electra" that Amano drew.

Batman and Superman both have their good points. I prefer Batman personally, but that may be influenced by the 2 Tim Burton movies a little. Spiderman was my favorite as a kid, years and years before any Spidey movies. I think it was because he was kind of a smart-ass.

On-topic: I think Superman is kind of a dumb-ass. Batman could outsmart him. But Superman is cheap, so he could still probably kill Batman with one of his 101 different powers.



Edit: For what it's worth, I took that Nerd Quiz thing, famously listed in Macht's sig. featuring his stellar score of 96% Nerd. I tried to put the results in my sig, but it didn't work. So to clarify, if comics fall into nerd territory, I only scored 5% Nerdom. I must have retained very little from my comic days.

[Draco Dagon]

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*yawn*

I was trying to get a rise out of everybody, akin to some asshat strolling into a FFXI forum and proclaiming WoW to be the best thing ever.

I'm not qualified to discuss comics, seeing as the only comics I've purchased in the last 15 years were the 3 issues of "Wolverine vs. Electra" that Amano drew.

Batman and Superman both have their good points. I prefer Batman personally, but that may be influenced by the 2 Tim Burton movies a little. Spiderman was my favorite as a kid, years and years before any Spidey movies. I think it was because he was kind of a smart-ass.

On-topic: I think Superman is kind of a dumb-ass. Batman could outsmart him. But Superman is cheap, so he could still probably kill Batman with one of his 101 different powers.



Edit: For what it's worth, I took that Nerd Quiz thing, famously listed in Macht's sig. featuring his stellar score of 96% Nerd. I tried to put the results in my sig, but it didn't work. So to clarify, if comics fall into nerd territory, I only scored 5% Nerdom. I must have retained very little from my comic days.

Ehhh...

I haven't read a single comic since I was about 14 or so. Besides that, I haven't cared for either since then as well. (Eight years ago approximately.) I much prefer Spawn and Blade to any superhero as it is.

[Archemedes]

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you guys have obviously never read Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Strikes Back...

Batman > all of DC's superheroes

Sorry to resurrect this, but I can't help it. Read The Dark Knight Returns, but don't waste your time or money on Dark Knight Strikes Again. Only decent part is the fight between Batman & company Vs Superman.