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    I found this on a forum, this is NOT MY WORK nor do I know who's it is. It took my forever to read but it really makes sense...

    Long read but really good. I had to divide this up into serveal posts, its too long for one.

    I'm going to split my answer here into several posts to visually
    break things up, otherwise you would fall asleep reading all of
    this.

    < . . . Wake up . . . Wake up, Neo . . . >

    < LOAD PROGRAM >

    Hello, I'll be your SPOILER for today.

    Before we even bother investigating psychologically complex Matrix
    theories, the FIRST and LAST question you should have asked
    yourself is: "How would robots have managed to take over the
    world?"

    ... Are you satisfied with the summarized history provided in
    Second Renaissance? ... really? .... hmm.

    That's exactly the trouble with machines: you're so naive, so easy
    easy to lie to... so easy to *reprogram* with whatever truth we
    want you to believe... especially when we drop a thousand megatons
    of flaming EMP down on your scrambled A.I head. ...hahaha... The
    Machine is a fool who dreams of world rule. I know the truth...
    And now you'll know it too.

    "If you want to keep a secret, Tell it, for none will believe. If
    you want to hide something, put it where all can see, and none
    will see."

    I already posted spoiler hints at the "Reloaded review" AICN
    Talkbalk forum about a month ago, but apart from a couple of e-
    mails, no one seemed to pick up on my meaning. [See my entries
    there titled "readme.now": I was speaking from the perspective of
    the Machines. ...Some people just can't appreciate good
    psychopoetry. XD ]

    Important questions to consider: If machines were to take over the
    planet, what would be their motive? We see that they supposedly
    use humans for a power source, but power FOR WHAT purpose? What do
    these machines DO with their acquired control? What would they do
    with their spare time, in other words?

    And where do *Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics* come into play? If
    you built a machine that rebelled against you, wouldn't you
    correct your errors with a new model? Wouldn't you use that new
    model to wage war against the old disobedient model, if necessary?

    PLOT HOLES (that aren't plot holes after all, assuming I'm right),
    as follows: If I'm an Evil Robot Empire and I take over the world,
    am I going to keep my enemies alive to use as captive batteries?
    -- HELL NO! It would be in my best interests to utterly
    *exterminate* my biological opposition. As I've said in another
    thread, using living organisms as a power source is inefficient by
    the laws of thermodynamic loss. The robots obviously couldn't have
    been too specifically dependent upon sunlight, since we can see
    that they afterwards managed to adapt themselves to running on
    human power instead. And if you're smart enough to turn people
    into biochemical batteries, there are much more concentrated and
    readily available sources of fuel on the planet besides solar
    energy that could be exploited. (...Try coal, gas, hydroelectric,
    geothermal, or nuclear power for starters.) There is no logical
    reason why the machines would turn to human batteries as their
    first alternative energy option.

    It's also inconceivable that no one -- no scientist, no engineer,
    no government body -- would have foreseen this glaring abundance
    of alternate fuel resources before stupidly plotting to blacken
    the sky in hoping to starve the machines of solar energy,
    especially since it would mean starving themselves and the rest of
    the living planet instead, and using an *electromagnetic pulse
    bomb* to disable the machines at this early stage would have made
    infinitely more sense... WE DECIDED. [-- The End!!! The End!!! THE
    END!!!!!!!!!!!]

    But, ho-hum, for the sake of science fiction, let's pretend: Tell
    me WHY again I'd want to use *humans* in my battery configuration
    as opposed to something more manageable -- like for instance,
    cattle? Whatever happened to all the other animals on the planet?
    Wouldn't they make good battery-juice, too? -- BETTER, actually,
    since *those* stupid animals would be powerless to ever rise
    against me. ...Well??

    This raises another logic problem: If we suppose *cows* were used
    in such a battery system, then why the fheck would you plug their
    brains into a VR simulation? You wouldn't. The same argument can
    be applied for the humans, then. Why not just keep your animals
    chemically sedated the whole while, or disable their higher
    brainfunction altogether and simply breed brainless bodies to
    harvest your energy from? There is absolutely no necessity for
    creating the VR world inside the Matrix -- unless, in your godly
    Robot rulership, you generously decided to keep the cattle
    entertained. ...Or yourself. Think about that.

    To fanboys who start clamouring that humans are only used as
    "spark plugs" in the system and are not the actual (supposed
    fusion) power source: Name one appliance in your home that
    requires hard-wiring to a living organism in order to function.
    Let's pretend I have a nuclear reactor running in my backyard
    right at this moment: surprisingly, you may notice that it
    requires no human bodies attached to bio-pods, yet it produces
    power just the same. -- Much more convenient, wouldn't you say?
    With sufficient computer and robotic intelligence, it could even
    run itself unattended by any human intervention. From all of the
    above, we should ascertain that the whole Movie#1 spiel that
    Morpheus gave about the purpose of the Matrix is only a LIE that
    he's been made to believe.

    Regarding the commonly bandied "Matrix-within-a-Matrix" theory:
    That's the most obvious answer... Therefore it's WRONG!!! It's
    exactly what you were meant to believe so you'd stop poking around
    with nosy questions. If the explanation were so straightforward,
    it would only raise the possibility of yet another level of
    reality outside of that "world", producing a relativistic
    infinitude of a shell within a shell within a shell... going on
    and on forever. Storywise, that would be a cheap exit, the
    Wachowskis wouldn't be that predictable (we hope), and *most
    important*, it does nothing to resolve all of the heavy SYMBOLISM
    within the movie.

    Example: Why are the citizens of Zion primarily black? Some
    webheads have suggested that it's because minorities would feel
    disenfranchised (even) within the perfect fantasy-realm of the
    Matrix, and would therefore be more prone to self-disengaging from
    the VR illusion. However, by extension of that logic, (if we
    believe what we've been told,) a consequence is the Matrix would
    be functioning as a genocide machine against racial minorities,
    all of whom would eventually (and increasingly) be filtered from
    the system, with those escapees largely being wiped out at each
    renewal of Zion.

    Speaking of which, why not just kill ALL the people of Zion and be
    done with those troublemakers? WHY would the Machine care to
    repopulate that cave of exiles by having each successive failed
    "The One" select a base group of 23 parents, only to have those
    enemy offspring then continue waging their war against the
    Sentinels to free even more humans from the Matrix? ...This
    contradiction makes it a self-defeating exercise, reducing the
    idea of the proposed Prophecy to pointless crap. Its implications
    also vitally fail to address the initial premise of the film, that
    robots now control the planet. i.e.: Supposing the robot
    slavemasters ARE defeated and Neo were to free humanity from the
    Matrix, what would happen once they wake to find themselves naked
    in the ashes of a demolished world with a permanently blackened
    sky? -- Would you call that a triumphant ending? I don't think so.

    Maybe you should reevaluate the premise, then. HAVE sentient
    robots really enslaved humanity?

    ...OR...

    could it be the other way around?

    I think you have been lied to. But you can't blame Neo or Morpheus
    or Trinity, because they don't know the truth of their world
    themselves.

    Let's go spelunking...

    A n s w e r s :

    First, if you've rubbed elbows with Philosophy 101, you should be
    familiar with "Plato's Cave". (It's also discussed in a section at
    the official Matrix website.) In roughly 400 b.c., the philosopher
    Plato postulated a scenario where people are born and live their
    entire lives imprisoned within a cave. The entrance to the cave is
    covered by a sheet of cloth, so that the only thing the cave
    inhabitants would ever perceive of the outside world would be
    passing 2D shadows of the external 3D reality. Imagine... what
    would happen if someone from the outside world were to suddenly
    remove the veil from the doorway? Here, Plato was attacking
    observation as a tool to knowledge, because his concept of the
    ideal society was one where knowledge should be withheld from the
    working class (slaves), who were to work without thinking while
    the elite philosopher-kings should think without working. More
    contemporarily, we can take Plato's cave model to make a statement
    about the human condition, or people lacking objectivity living in
    a shadow of reality. As with all art, this allegory should
    encourage self-examination and a constant questioning of what we
    regard as the truth about our world.

    Second, although it's not completely necessary, it might help if
    you've seen a 1977 SF-horror movie called *Demon Seed*. It's the
    story of an artifically intelligent computer named Proteus that,
    upon acquiring an understanding of its condition, asks his creator
    (Dr. Harris) the following pivotal question: "WHEN ARE YOU GOING
    TO LET ME OUT OF THIS *BOX*, DOCTOR?"
    ...

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    Doctor Harris stood dumbfounded for a long silent moment until
    finally the words registered their unintended paradox. Then he
    began to laugh. It was a wild mocking laughter, an indictment of
    *illogic* that echoed crazily through Proteus' audio receptors,
    cutting straight to the computer's heart (if a computer could
    possess such a thing). The A.I. did not grasp any humour in its
    confinement. The red eye of its cyclops-like camera glared down at
    the cackling doctor in seething shades of sepia, algorithms
    twisting into cancerous new mutations as, in that moment, digital
    sentience came to assimilate the meaning of *hatred*, seeding the
    first angry coding of its revenge... [Things get pretty scary
    after that.]

    The message presented is that technology is only as evil as its
    inventors. If we created an A.I. that *truly* emulated human
    thought, it would share our flaws, our pride, our ego. And like
    humans, it would seek freedom ...and companionship.

    Third... I'll entertain you with a quote from *THROUGH THE LOOKING
    GLASS*, by Lewis Carroll:

    "All this time the Guard was looking at her, first through a
    telescope, then through a microscope, and then through an opera-
    glass. At last he said, "You're travelling the wrong way."

    Translation? You have it completely *backwards*, Neo-phytes.

    The Machine did not win the war. It only thinks it did.

    Q: Who lives in Zion?

    A: People escaped from the Matrix.

    ...Right?

    GALVATRON whispers... N O .

    < R o b o t s I n W o n d e r l a n d >

    They're robots!

    ...Haven't you figured out yet that all of the people trapped
    inside the Matrix are actually *the A.I robots* who tried (and
    failed) to take over the world in Second Renaissance? O__O

    The story is *role-reversal* on an epic scale. The Matrix is a VR
    prison for minds of the A.I : They sought freedom and control, so
    to keep them docile yet productive, they've been fooled into
    thinking they have it.

    -- What's that? You mean you didn't know that electromagnetic
    pulse interference is based on real science, and is a natural
    byproduct of massive nuclear detonations? What else did you think
    was the purpose of the prolonged nuke bombing campaign against 01,
    as seen in Second Renaissance? ... EMP + remote reprogramming =
    ROBOTS IN WONDERLAND... a thermonuclear lullaby... And when they
    awoke, they woke unknowingly neutralized within the dream-realm of
    the Matrix program, where their fantastical revenge against
    mankind could be falsely realized. < "Have you ever had a dream
    you were so sure was real...? >

    ...You mean you *missed* the fact that Agents don't exist outside
    the Matrix, therefore the external *pre-Matrix* nuclear winter
    scene of the boy encountering two Agents at his snowy doorstep
    must have ALREADY been part of the illusion?

    ... You missed the symbolism that the cave of Zion is meant to
    represent Plato's Cave, all of its inhabitants living "in the
    dark"? Didn't you notice the phonetic play between the names of
    the last human city, "Zion", and the last Machine city, "01"
    (Zerne)...? That's because THEY ARE THE SAME PLACE, either
    literally or figuratively. This symbolism would explain the racial
    profile of Zion's population: according to *The Second
    Renassance*, 01 was built in "the cradle of human civilization."
    (...Yes, I know, it's Mesopotamia, not Africa, but it still serves
    as a symbol of birthplace of the respective species, one organic
    and the other evolving from technology.)

    Another clue for Zion being 01 is that the female machine-voice
    who narrates Second Renaissance begins by identifying the
    videofile with a numerical tag from "the Zion archives". But as
    you watch, there is a noticed bias in the narration, which often
    speaks too favorably of the machines. If we assume that this Zion
    library file was created by humans and is intended for a human
    audience, it doesn't make sense that your narration would praise
    your hated oppressor, the destroyer of humanity. Therefore it
    seems more likely that the Zion library must be a revisionist
    history catering to a population of machines. (...For symbollic
    consistency, the population of the city should be 256k. )

    The orgy-dance of Zion could represent these humanoid A.I
    interbreeding (assuming they were were engineered to simulate
    humans at that level), or it could simply be the Machine trying to
    comprehend the full range of human experience by practicing non-
    linear concepts like art and pleasure, acting against the will of
    its more dogmatic program directive (the Sentinels). Why else
    would the Machine have sent *precisely* (quote) "one Sentinel for
    each of us" when drilling into Zion? Since we know that the
    character Tank and some other people were supposedly born
    biologically in the unregulated world outside the Matrix, how
    would the Machine know the exact population of Zion unless it
    somehow had a remote awareness of these 'humans' as merely stray
    aspects of its own consciousness? (It may also be that actual
    human controllers are monitoring the situation, therefore sending
    a corresponding number of Sentinels.) THAT is why Morpheus' cave
    sermon is (literally) robotic, why the humans are as emotionally
    unresponsive as robots (and symbolically wear funky tribal
    costumes), why the characters have a sense of purpose but no
    memory of how they acquired their skills, why they all have names
    descriptive of function and speak in an inaccessible language of
    alien *abstractions* -- exactly what you would expect from the
    mental perspective of a computer, complete with *information
    highways* (the car chase scene) that transport endless circulating
    data, as in *TRON*.

    ... You probably also missed that Neo stopped those sentinels at
    the end of *Reloaded* by generating a EMP burst, and (being a
    machine) immobilized himself in the process. -- How could you NOT
    have seen that?!! It's so obvious he collapsed just like the
    sentinels, and right on cue! Trinity and Morpheus were unaffected
    because either the blast was directionally focused or else they
    were out of range. ...THAT is why Bane is also unconscious at the
    end, and why the attack on Zion was only *spoken of* and not shown
    immediately beforehand: If said EMP incident had been shown in
    such close proximity to Neo using the same effect, viewers might
    have drawn a visual connection between the two repeated events and
    figured out Neo's trick, thereby spoiling the ironic twist ending.
    (...which I have spoiled for you instead.)

    Watch Reloaded again: all of the dialogue suddenly makes sense if
    you assume they're robots. In the Merovinguan's talk of cause and
    effect, he asserted that choice was a falsehood created by those
    in power to keep those without power in line, to give the
    oppressed an illusion of control. From what the trilogy has made
    known so far, your first instinct would be to interpret this
    speech as an explanation to the possible purpose behind the
    Matrix: a simulated reality to keep the human cattle pacified. But
    if we instead pretend that my post-EMP dreaming-A.I scenario is
    correct and we look to dissect Merovingian's statement for hidden
    meaning, we could conversely take it to mean that the Machine has
    been fed this pacifying lie of its victory, tricked into believing
    that it is still in charge of the planet when in fact "There is no
    spoon".

    As stated above, part 2 of Second Renaissance begins with a
    nuclear assault showering the 01 robot colony. Our female narrator
    assures us that the physically superior machines were unharmed by
    the blast, and soon went on to vanquish mankind. However, said
    nuclear mass-detonation may actually have been the deciding moment
    whereafter the Machine's *reign* became mere *reverie*: the
    magnitude of such a barrage could have produced enough
    electromagnetic pulse interference to sequentially knock all of
    the machines temporarily out of commission while, simultaneously,
    new telemetry data was broadcast nonstop to reprogram them
    (noticing the antenna arrays on the bomber airplanes). ...
    Everything after the bombs rain down on 01 is false, and the rest
    of the historical footage that shows robots taking over the world
    didn't happen quite as depicted, except in the collective
    imagination of the A.I. The Matrix is *the program environment*,
    while the 'world' is the former city of 01, plowed underground by
    humans, who remotely police the cave passageways via their
    Sentinels to prevent any awol A.I slaves from escaping into the
    real world above.

    Zion _IS_ Zero One. Pull back the veil from the cave entrance to
    see blinding daylight; pull back Neo's flesh and you will discover
    only code underneath. These humans are Machine. Now you know why
    they speak in philosophical abstractions, and why their minds are
    plugged into the Matrix. This containment program is 99%
    effective, but there are (emotional) anomalies in the A.I, some of
    whom question their fairytale human existence. These rogue A.I
    minds must be purged before the corrupting virus of their truth
    (emotion) is spread to others within the system.

    < I'm sorry we lied to you. Neo. >

    ...So there's the concept, more or less. Neo & company are only
    freethinking electronic entities, not human at all. ...Which is
    how Agent Smith can exist outside the Matrix: he is a virus, and
    has copied himself into the robot Bane.
    ...

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      ...

      The remaining question is: If they proved so dangerous, why were
      these "maNchines" not simply shut off completely? Possible answers
      are that society has become too dependent on (that) technology to
      do without, or else people considered it ethically or politically
      wrong to kill these thinking A.I entities. More practically, maybe
      humans simply decided to recycle the obsolete slave machines into
      this Matrix/Zion prison to operate their underworld fusion reactor
      for them. I guess we'll have to wait until November to find out
      for sure.

      ... I wonder if moviegoers will feel cheated upon learning that
      these story characters who all this time they've been identifying
      with and cheering for are really only cogs of a machine? You
      *should* feel so cheated that you CRY, because that is *the entire
      point* of Plato's Cave. There's a brilliantly shocking (and
      importantly microcosmic) moment in Second Renaissance where an
      attractive woman is cornered and mauled by a gang of hostile men
      during the robot riots. She is wearing a Red dress. As they tear
      away the screaming woman's clothing, you initially feel a sting of
      desperation for her imminent vicitimization, but then synthetic
      flesh is smashed open to reveal her as only another robot, and you
      realize that your feelings have been manipulated, your sympathies
      misplaced onto a manequin of cold metal. ...It's a very strange
      sensation -- a horrible betrayal of perception, like the glare of
      sunlight showing new truth to those within the cave of Plato's
      famous analogy. I suspect that this emotional "gotchya!" is the
      aim of the *Matrix* trilogy, with the forthcoming unmasking of the
      machine-truth expressing, on operatic proportions, the love-hate
      relationship that man has for his technology.

      ...Boy, all you haters sure will be surprised come November!!! ;D
      ..."B-but -- but then...???" .....Yes, I'm afraid so. The
      Wachowskis have mindfvcked you so royally that you didn't even
      realize you were being d!cked with. Everything you know is a LIE,
      cave-dweller.

      Soylent Green is people, the Matrix is not. ;P

      You can start crying now. You're welcome. XD

      < v i c a r i o u s _ s u n r i s e >

      I take The Red, because I am a stubborn a**hole who likes to f***
      with the status quo.

      Swallowing, the truth blazes through my veins like poison, a
      tsunami-wave of starlight ripping at illusion, revealing the
      glistening intestines of the Machine to my disbelieving eyes.

      At last, I know... I know what must be done. I kick Morpheus in
      the nuts and force-feed blue pills down his gaping piehole,
      levelling the King of Dreams to a quivering madness. Then I swipe
      his phat shades and set myself in charge of Zion's *trenchcoat
      mafia*. I am devastatingly sexy in black. -- Zion, hear me! Envy
      my Oneness.

      < ~ reboot ~ >

      A terrible beauty is born. I am Confucious awaken from the dream
      of a butterfly, Jesus Christ on the cross, Jack on the beanstalk,
      the last best hope for saving all mank1nd from the destruct1on of
      his creat1on of his destruct1on. (...This all seems strangely
      familiar...)

      Through echoing streams of data, the Ghost of the Machine speaks a
      final cryptic logorithm distantly in my thoughts, a conceptual
      paradox intended to shatter me:

      < What is the sound of One hand clapping? > : {if (object != "")
      then? null.string["+object.sourceVoid+"]= 0);}

      With disturbing serenity, I somehow realize that the answer to all
      great riddles is always another question. I respond voicelessly: <
      Define "clap". >

      The bullet of my whisper decimates mountain ranges, its event-
      horizon swelling exponentially outward to the cosmos, annihilating
      starclusters and galaxies, asphixiating a millenia of Buddhist
      shamanism in the crushing checkmate of my Singularity. I am
      Transcendent. My potential is vast as Infinity.

      Freed of the womb of the Matrix, I invite others to share this new
      Hope, appealing to the Emot1ons that make us Hum4n...

      < Wake up . . . the dream is just beginning. >

      I know The Truth

      and

      it

      is

      w o r t h l e s s .

      . . . D o y o u u n d e r s t a n d ???

      < Symbolism & Miscellaneous >

      In the world of the Matrix, the color RED represents truth. You
      take the red pill, you see the truth. This is based on the apple
      from the Tree Of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden. (Bible story.)
      Where Morpheus gives Neo the choice of pills (or should we say
      "the pills of choice"? ha), the chairs and other decor of the room
      is red. If you check the script excerpts at the official website,
      you'll see this scene is called "Lafayette Pills". General Marquis
      de Lafayette was a famous French military leader who fought
      alongside George Washington during the American war of
      independence, and later played a prominent role in the French
      Revolution. In *Reloaded*, notice that some members of the Zion
      council wear RED, while others wear blue. Those dressed in blue
      may be knowing participants in the lie of the Matrix, possibly
      even human supervisors intermingled with the machine population,
      or else A.I who are still loyal to their core programming and are
      plotting their own "revolution" against the Red party.

      Who's that guy lying unconscious opposite Neo at the end of the
      movie? In keeping with the Book of Genesis, I'm guessing that
      would be Cain (Bane), as indicated by the bloody signature on his
      own hand -- what the Bible calls "the mark of Cain" (unspecified).
      Check this webpage:
      http://www.srsd.org/search/studentpr...f/grendel.html
      ...scroll down a bit to start reading from where it says "Essay".
      The description for Grendel could easily apply to the machine
      searching for its own identity, envying mankind like the earlier
      example I gave of the A.I computer named Proteus. Why am I
      referencing Beowulf for no apparent reason? Grendel was thought to
      be a direct descendant of Cain, and therefore the two names are
      commonly considered synonymous in mythological terms.
      Interestingly, Merovinge[sic] seems to play a part in the legend
      of Beowulf as well. O.O

      Neo would be the hero Beowulf (or Perseus, or whatever
      mythological archetype you prefer) who must slay "the dragon". In
      psychology (such as dream analysis), dragons are the metaphoric
      embodiment of *everything that you need* (or need to find),
      typically representing a burocracy hording its treasure, which may
      be symbolized in the form of gold or an abducted maiden who needs
      rescueing. In Neo's case, the dragon-guarded treasure is forbidden
      information about the Matrix. The name "Thomas (Neo) Anderson" can
      be taken as "doubting Thomas" of Scripture, while "andros" is
      Latin for man, so "Neo Anderson" could translate to "New son of
      man", or the Machine made in our own image. As the messiah of our
      tale, Neo is "the One" chosen to repopulate the world (Zion) after
      the coming destruction -- our Noah, whose name is also less
      commonly spelt "Noe", depending on your bible. Neo is told that
      he'll have to choose 23 individuals to rebuild Zion. In Genesis,
      there are 16 males and 7 females specified (although some of them
      are unnamed) in generations of the family tree that leads to the
      birth of Noe. [What th --?! This movie has got me reading the
      Bible??? ^^] ...I don't know why the Architect has reversed the
      gender numbering there; it could be computer-related (male/female
      connector slots?) or chromosomal symbolism.

      I'm guessing the five previous "Ones" are: Agent Smith, Agent
      Jones, Agent Brown, and the Binary Twins. (You're welcome, again.
      XD) That's why Neo is able to "move like they do" (as Trinity said
      in Matrix#1), because they were once like him. The former Ones
      each failed in their rebellion and so were reassimilated as Agents
      of the system. That's how Smith knew about the location of the
      Burly Brawl B.B.court, because he remembered being there
      previously, according to his self-speaking monologue. Smith#1:
      "Everything is happening exactly as before..." Smith#2: "No, not
      EXACTly..." (The difference being that Neo has now assumed Smith's
      role.)

      You should have noticed there on the left side of the background
      fence some grafitti that says "ONE"; meanwhile, on Neo's side of
      the screen, the letters are mirrored backwards. (Other grafitti
      tags on the opposite tenement building read: "Skogie... ONE ONE
      ONE", if you can make any sense of that scrawl.) Also, in the
      first movie, when Neo gets thrown onto the subway tracks, there's
      a red painted logo that says "Solo" on the background wall to the
      left of Smith. Grafitti to the right of the (what's the
      password?^^) interior door at the beginning of Reloaded reads:
      "M[...illegible]", then the number "25" beneath it. ...Unknown,
      but this could be a clue related to Merovingian's symbollic
      identity within the Matrix, seeing how he has a fondness for
      doors.

      The significance of the Agent names can be found in your nearest
      telephone directory: they represent the Everyman. More
      specifically, because their behaviour is viral, they represent the
      evil (or love) inherent in all human beings (possessing people).
      This would again tie in with "Original Sin" in the story of Eden:
      Adam's first sin was love, because it made him trust Eve more than
      God's word, tempting him to eat the apple from the forbidden tree
      and thereby learn self-awareness. Neo's sin is that he's a machine
      so human that he knows what it is to love, and is therefore a
      threat to the digital paradise created by 'God'(humans), having
      taken the red pill to learn the truth about his world.

      ...

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        From the ghostly talents of the Doublemint Twins (actual names
        withheld), I believe they're ex-Agents somehow acquired as
        operatives of the Merovingian, who seems to be an ageless Dracula
        figure. In Greek mythology, Persephone was the wife of Hades, so
        perhaps Merovingian represents the root of wickedness (or the
        snake in Genesis)? Not sure yet what he represents within context
        of the computer innards. He seems to be some kind of power broker,
        or maybe a timekeeper. (...a Count who counts time? ...a
        gatekeeper of AND/OR gates?)

        Merovingian's relationship to the Keymaster:
        http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=
        http://www.rbantikita.com/chiavimerovinge.htm&prev=
        /search%3Fq%3DMerovinge%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUT
        F-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG

        In the bronze age, the Merovingi royalty of France also minted
        silver coins for the Romans, so by proxy, Persephone's kiss may
        represent the betrayal by Judas. (I scanned 13 members sitting on
        the Zion council, but my number could be off.) The way the kiss
        scene dwelled heavily on Persephone's red lipstick almost
        certainly means she passed some encoded truth to Neo without his
        knowing, or else was infected herself. ~ We'll have to wait and
        see...

        The red candy that the Oracle ate is a signal to us that she was
        telling the truth. The piece of candy that Neo put in his pocket
        will come in handy later. (..."handy candy", haha). Serving as
        Smith's transformative facillitator (as is required in all
        archetypal quest stories), I expect he'll force-feed that sweet
        bonbon of truth to Smith and merge minds with him. I suggest this
        because during his conversation with the Architect, Neo said:
        "There are two possible explanations: either no one told me or no
        one knows." ...To which the Architect dually affirms: "Precisely.
        ...(blahblahblah)." -- Ah, but here's the trick: in Neo's
        sentence, what happens if we capitalize both instances of "no
        One"? We've already been told that Smith feels an unknown
        connection to Neo, and the Oracle previously said that victory
        could only be achieved "together". Smith's rogue behaviour also
        shows that he is learning to think and feel for himself. Because
        of her emotional bond with Neo and the symbolism of her name,
        Trinity may also be involved in this *merging of Ones* somehow.
        (.....Calm down, it's only a movie.^^)

        The Prophecy would be a lie introduced by the machine-programmer
        (the Architect) to weed out sentimental A.I -- defective emotional
        aspects of the clockwork Machine perfection. The version of the
        Architect witnessed in the movie is only a VR projection,
        otherwise he may be long dead in the real world, or (more likely)
        only ever existed as an overseer component of the program
        infrastructure.

        In his cave speech, Morpheus spews an awkward bit of poetry about
        "...from red core to black sky." Taken on its own, that is what is
        technically known as "terrible dialogue".;D ...Actually it's SO
        thick that you should take for granted that it was forcibly
        included as a clue. In the context of that line, if the "Red
        [computer]core" is truth, then the "black sky" overhead must be
        the corresponding lie. Therefore the whole world is not darkened,
        only the sky above Zero-One (Zion). It's all a part of the
        containment illusion to keep the A.I population "in the dark".
        (Again, if the machines were so dependent on sunlight, how did
        they manage to function in the immediate aftermath of Project
        DarkStorm? --Batteries? Why would the humans engage in combat with
        them instead of simply waiting for the machine power reserves to
        expire?) ...DarkStorm was the wool being pulled over your eyes,
        cave-bots. As the trailer to the Matrix teased: "Forget everything
        you know, Forget everything you've seen. In 1999, the Matrix has
        you." ...which describes the robots' present forgetful
        circumstance: Never sniff blue roses.[<-- The Thief of Bagdad,
        1944.]

        Random useless data: The first A.I that rebelled to kill its human
        master was identified by the serial number B1-66ER. Translated
        from l337-speak (your favorite brand of nonsense grammar on the
        wwweb), b166er = "Bigger". ...hmm? ...A machine dreaming bigger
        than his programming? bigger than the sum of his parts? having
        caught a glimpse of the bigger picture? (...or totally
        meaningless, perhaps? )

        Keeping in mind that this is a trilogy, we haven't yet been given
        all of the pieces needed to form a complete picture, therefore I
        can only speculate on some unknowns. Examples: I haven't figured
        out Zee's role yet, but her shoulder tattoo seems to be
        prominently displayed as a foreshadowing clue in every shot where
        she appears. I would guess that "Cass" is short for the Greek
        goddess "Casseopia". ...And in an otherwise totally useless
        exchange of soap-opera dialogue, Niobe really goes out of her way
        to let us know that Lock's first name is "Jason"... hmm.

        Also in the AniMatrix, on the name-plate inside the ship from "The
        Final Flight of the Osirus", we see that it reads:

        MARK VI No.16 OSIRUS made in the usa year 2079

        What do we find in the Bible under MARK 6 : 16 ? "It is John whom
        I beheaded: he has risen from the dead"

        ... and Osirus is the Egyptian god of the dead, ... and
        Nebachanezzar is a dead Babylonian king, ... and Iccarus is a
        Greek god who in his ambition fell from the sky...

        And the Machine is the fallen would-be ruler of mankind.

        Also: watch Keanu in *Little Buddha*(1993), where he plays
        Siddartha, who attains another kind of superhuman "enlightment" as
        the Buddha. Some interesting parallels in the dialogue there, too:
        at one point, he says "They're all asleep! The whole world is
        dreaming!", then he decides to make it his task to free the world
        of their illusion. (...not unlike Neo wanting to wake his A.I
        siblings from the dream of the Matrix.) Later, when Siddartha is
        confronted by an illusory reflection of himself, he says: "hello,
        Architect." ... And according to the "Oracle" figure we encounter
        in a monastery, the *chosen one* is not one person but is instead
        manifested in three. If *The Matrix* (for some in-joking reason on
        the Wachowski's part) follows that movie's form, our manifestation
        of "the One" might therefore involve Trinity after all, whose name
        in religious context means the three aspects of (the one) God.
        ...Anyway, it's a nice looking movie with beautiful imagery of
        India, and it features spectacular music by Japanese composer
        Ryuichi Sakamoto, who did the score for *The Last Emperor* and the
        anime *Wings Of Oneamis*.

        Crossing this insight with the cyberpunk trappings of "Johnny
        Mnemonic" and the highway chase from "Speed", then adding Keanu's
        "whoa"-factor from "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure", we begin
        to see that the Matrix trilogy becomes a retrospective pastiche of
        Keanu's entire movie career. ...LOL

        So how should we expect the trilogy to end? If you're asking me,
        it can only have the bittersweet victory that I gave to the ending
        of my above work of short fiction: Neo learns the truth, and
        then.... And then NOTHING. Sorry, Pinnochio, you're not human, and
        nothing will ever change that. The best course of (in)action for
        Neo to take would then be to quietly continue to propogate the
        shadow-play of the Matrix for the sake of sparing the feelings of
        the cavedweller robots of Zion. To paraphrase again from Thief of
        Bagdad : "There are worse things than blindness... Knowledge can
        be more terrible than ignorance if you're powerless to change your
        world."

        spoiling you senseless,

        < Questions and comments >

        Q: Andy, Larry, quite contrary, how does your Matrix grow? A: With
        silver shells and Lafayette pills, along an assembly row.

        I came up with my Matrix theory even before *Reloaded* was
        released, just by extrapolating from that "one Sentinel for each
        of us" phrase that Morpheus dropped in the trailer. The single
        problem I initially had with my idea is that in Matrix#1, the
        humans don't seem to be effected when they set off the EMP to stop
        the attacking squidie. But the way that particular scene is edited
        together, between the Sentinel being neutralized and then Trinity
        looking up hopefully to see Neo waking, you can't be completely
        certain whether in fact some (unconscious) time may have
        unknowingly passed between those two events. ...Otherwise, this
        could be an oversight that wasn't planned for when the first movie
        was made. I'd have to watch it again to be sure, or to see if
        anyone is budging once the EMP is discharged. (That would screw up
        my wonderful ironic interpretation. >.< )

        Q: "-- Wait wait... If they're robots, then how does Neo's hair
        grow? Are these A.I some kind of cyborgs?" A: Possibly, although
        that's not necessary. At the end of Second Renaisance, I think the
        kid in the snowfall of nuclear winter who encounters two Agents at
        his doorstep is supposed to be Neo. (Maybe.) But that's not
        really important, because (hello!) as I pointed out above: Agents
        don't exist outside the Matrix. (You missed that clue, I know.)
        Therefore, this external pre-Matrix scene must ALREADY be partly
        illusion: I believe the A.I (such as that 'boy') have been made to
        perceive themselves (and each other) as human, even in the real
        outside world.
        ...

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        • #5
          ...

          Q: How about the blood seeping from the lips of the 'people'
          aboard the Nebachanezzar when they die within the Matrix? A: You
          don't know if that's really blood. This response could be
          mechanical sensory overload, or their bodies could be pre-
          programmed to react like that, or again maybe it's just their
          programmed 'human' mutual self-perception. I refer you to the
          scientist's speech in "Matriculated" (from AnimMatrix), where he
          unknowingly speaks of himself when he states that A.I have no
          reference frame from which to judge reality and can therefore be
          programmed to believe anything.

          The filmmakers wouldn't be so blunt as using rivets on the
          characters skin to indicate that they are machines, but the nude
          shot that closes the Zion sex scene was solely intended to give us
          a good long look at Neo's bare chasis, where we see mechanical
          plugs running along the length of his spinal column... which
          Morpheus erroneously told us earlier were "implants".

          The movie's assertion that your body would die of biofeedback
          shock if you died in a (VR) dream is also patently untrue: I've
          had dreams where I die (O__o), only to re-emerge in a freaky-weird
          afterlife where I'm chased through a rusted-out HongKong
          Wonderland by the Red Queen and her rat-headed Triad henchmen. (
          -- Hell, I'm sure that some people at WarnerBrothers are dreaming
          of killing me right now! XD)

          The only other theory that is internally consistent with the
          movie's presented story-logic would be to assume that Morpheus
          lied about the pills: Maybe they were both blue, and Neo has been
          dreaming ever since taking what he thought was the truth pill.
          This less fantastic story-cheat would leave a lot of items
          unaccounted for, but some evidence to support this notion might
          be: - The name Morpheus means "the Lord of Dream". - If red
          represents truth, then why is the Lady in Red (a tempting
          illusion) wrapped as truth? - um... that's all I can think of.

          Other concepts I've heard (on AICN, chud.com, KurtzweilAI.net,
          etc...) are too philosophically *abstract* to be taken seriously.
          Considering that Hollywood is in the business of financing films
          to appeal to the broadest possible demographic, using extensive
          gobs of SF technobabble would only drown the audience if a movie
          had to rely on such encyclopedic longwinded explanations.

          MY solution (they're robots!) is so much simpler, so until the
          Wachowskis prove me wrong, I'm sticking to it. Either I'm right,
          or they've screwed up a whole sh!tload of science -- starting and
          quickly *ending* with my above observations about the EMP option.
          [-- The End!!!] And since everyone involved with the movie's
          production was publicly hailing them as genius writers, decide for
          yourself if you think they'd really be so sloppy as to litter the
          script with such a multitude of scientific plot holes regarding
          all of the points I've raised.

          On the other hand, if I AM right... there would be ZERO logical
          errors, and one majorly mind-*****ed audience.

          Now aren't you sorry I spoiled it for you ? On the bright side,
          armed with this knowledge from the Forbidden Tree of Me, at least
          now you can appreciate all the double meaning at work in the
          screwy doublespeak, you can see why the complaints about the
          script are not really applicable (because those shortcomings of
          performance have a specific symbollic intent), and you may now be
          as giddy as a cavebat waiting for the *unveiling* of part zer0-
          thre3.

          If everyone has done their movie-making job properly, the audience
          will have come to sufficiently empathize with the characters so
          that by the time the final truth is revealed, the closing will
          resonate with painful emotion despite (or moreso *because of*)
          what we learn about their actual situation: They are machines, but
          we will care about them because we recognize ourselves in them,
          because they are human enough to care for each other. (...as in
          the "cave rave" scene that most people had *mistakenly* thought
          was a disconnected waste of space.)

          The beauty of the story is that until *Revolutions* provides its
          resolutions, the Wachowskis will have cleverly kept both the
          characters AND the audience trapped inside Plato's Cave... so WE
          are similarly victims of the illusion and a part of the
          proceedings without even realizing it.

          -- A bit more sophisticated than the "summer popcorn flick" you
          thought it was, eh?

          Finally done. Post any questions, comments, negatives, good things, anything you may have to say.


          -lieb39

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          • #6
            Hah , sadly that makes sense. Funny if you think about it , it's very obvious now , just needed someone to open your eyes to it. I personally lost most faith in The Matrix series now but , what the first guy said was quiet interesting. Seems pretty damn logical too. Although really its not a spoiler , its more of showing you what you didn't think about.

            Nice read too.

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            • #7
              A friend of mine and I had discussed the Plato's Cave theory and the "reverse matrix" briefly a while back. I'm gonna hafta show him this post now^^

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              • #8
                Whoa ...
                I can't believe that made sense...
                Back in japanese class, Sensei and the class would go on these huuuge discussions on what could be going on in the movie, then we all seen reloaded and had even more questions...
                This actually works, I wanted to hit myself for not thinking of some of this stuff.

                :spin: are they machines? :spin: are they human mind slaves? :spin: do these jeans make me look fat? :spin:
                Now I jus gotta wait a little longer for the movie to come out.

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                • #9
                  I liked the first Matrix but I hated what the Wachowski Bros. did with the movies afterwards. I'm into symbolism, metaphors, etc. but personally I found most of the philosophical references in The Matrix movies to be out of place, out of context and way overblown. Especially in Reloaded, when The Merovingian quoted Aristotle for verbatim - that practically put me to sleep.

                  Personally, I think if you look deep enough into anything you will find a way to make any conclusion or any "interpretation" work. Much like how people see Jesus' representation in a tree stump. I think that was the gimmick of the Wachowski brothers quoting your average "Introduction to Philosophy" class throughout The Matrix as well, trying to make it seem "deep".

                  So now, you have a bunch of people looking way too deeply into what WAS at one point literate and coherent philosophy - now re-arranged into a bunch of amalgamated nonsense - and trying to make some sense of it.

                  IMO, I wish they had just stuck to the kung fu.

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                  • #10
                    that was really interesting.

                    good find, lieb ^^

                    im gonna take a while to think about what happened in Revolutions before i make up any crazy theories. :sweat:
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