What do you want to see in Windows 7?

[Feba]

Personally, nothing short of a complete 180 in MS policies would ever get me to even consider switching back, but most people here are using Windows, and a rather old version (XP) of it at that.

The way I see it, the biggest problems they have to fix are bloat (there's just no reason it should use that much in terms of resources. If OS X can do graphics effects on an original iMac, and Compiz Fusion works great on an MX440, the most powerful software corporation on the planet can make something run superbly on old hardware), UAC (sudo for Windows = good idea. Horrible implementation, though), and not confusing consumers.

What I mean on the last one is basically:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RsOIdF_DdY]YouTube - Vista many versions, Apple's Leopard 1 version. Why?[/ame]


Anyway, what do people who have switched to Vista want; and if you've avoided switching, what does MS need to fix?

[KingOfZeal]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

I use Vista, but I don't think you can consider me "switched"... it was more or less forced on me by Dell. I'm actually not having near as many troubles as other people, and I'm probably one of a few not paid by MS who say good things about it (limited, granted, but I am loving Aero).

I'm also probably one of the few who hasn't disabled UAC -- I understand the reasoning behind it, and I do plan on using it for a little while longer. But, after a few months of having to approve opening the same program it does get a little annoying. I almost wish that it were possible to have a "remember this option" set for each specific program, but now that I'm thinking about it I suppose it would be relatively easy to abuse. Still... having to say "continue" whenever I want to delete a folder out of my own documents folder is rather absurd.

As far as everything else.. I agree with it being bloatware. But, the little things in Vista have started growing on me, like the modified start menu (though the bubble is rather weird when you first start using it) and the way that directory paths are displayed and navigated. Stability isn't too bad for me either... interestingly enough, I have found it keeps track of system and program crashes, and even makes that information readily available if you want to see it.

However, as I said, you can't consider me switched to Vista... I still use XP primarily. I think that, in both systems, the overall best thing that could be done is to try to make it more efficient... stop with the bloatware already, and give us something that is efficient, secure, and user-friendly. They've got 2 of the 3 down, I think (at least 1.5), but the one point always seems to be toughest when it comes to MS.

[Akashimo]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

Windows, and a rather old version (XP) of it at that.

Its proven stable. Its consistent, and it does not have multiple versions.

UAC

End the headaches and just switch it off. Really, a good anti spyware antivirus and firewall programs can easily take its place.

Anyway, what do people who have switched to Vista want; and if you've avoided switching, what does MS need to fix?

For me on Vista, I just want it actually be less Vista and roll back to more of the system style of Win2k and XP put together. With more of 2k's interface and Xp's use of resources. I'm stuck with Vista on my laptop sadly. I've tried to put XP on it, no dice.

Now, after having it since October 2007, its ok, still annoying how it seems to enjoy locking up opera for a strange reason or eat up my memory to 1.4gigs out of 2gigs. Network settings, its fine if I don't change networks, but since I have to use this thing at school, the wireless settings aren't exactly my piece of pie to mess around with trying to set up wireless for home or school.

Then its the whole find solution thing does work nicely, at times it just ends up being total crap. Mostly when it comes to configuring from dhcp to dynamic ip settings. Just keeps not fixing it and gives the same options.

For interface; While I did try the Vista style GUI, its just so, unappealing to me how I can't make title bars duo color like in XP/2k and how it seems to slow down more with it on.

Guess what I want is a Vista that just brings out the best of what 2k and XP has just with easier time to get into the back files and a real administrator account to actually admin on. Oh and my USB webcam to actually install on this thing, which apparently has Vista drivers, just vista can't seem to put two and two together from plug in and drivers provided.

[Feba]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

it was more or less forced on me by Dell.

Uh, dell is actually one of the better manufacturers about that. They still allow you to buy computers with XP on them, as well as ones with Ubuntu.

Its proven stable. Its consistent, and it does not have multiple versions.

1- What planet are you on again?

2- Yes the hell it does. Home, Professional, Media Center, Tablet PC edition. That's not counting the ones for legacy or embedded hardware, or 64-bit.

End the headaches and just switch it off.

When a security feature is poor enough that people would rather toss it, it needs improvement. Again, UAC is basically just ripping off sudo, they might as well just copy sudo as best they can within a Windows environment. The other two major OS out there (OS X, and Linux; especially Ubuntu and it's offshoots) both use it.

[Jarre]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

1. It doesn't resource hog and require the most up to date computer technology to run it.
2. They don't force on you programes like media player, Internet explorer etc. (componants I always remove!)
3. Make it less complex and more user friendly like OSX is.
4. Stop the have to reboot every time you install some software.
5. Get rid of vistas pesky DRM, it stopped my mate from playing a disk he made and filmed himself!
6. Start from scratch, don't use old code that hackers can use as a backdoor. i.e. like windows xp fax bug thats been there since windows 3.1!
7. Sort out the compatability issue with older devices and stop monopolising the world with the "if you don't buy the certificate we wont support your peripheral."
8. When it crashes give me a good explanation of why not reel out a load of digits that mean fuck all to me

Ok well thats a few niggles, but they need to start from scratch and not just bolt on and delete a few things which they have done since windows 3.1

New architecture, new code, yes it will cost a lot and take years to do (its not as if they don't have any money is it!) but if they can do that and bug test it thoroughly (rather than just rush it out like vista was) then I would consider buying it.

Hell at work on a 1Ghz G4 power mac with 1024mb ram and a 64mb ATI graphics card I can run mac osX10.4 smoothly and run a 3D cad program without it slowing down. The same Programe on my pc at home on xp pro with a computer whos spec on paper looks twice as good (Athlon 64 3000, 2gb ram, 256mb FX5600 graphics card) runs slow in comparrison.

So why can't microsoft make it run as smoothly on twice the systems power? They need to get rid of all the useless crap!

[KingOfZeal]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

Feba:
It's true they are better, but when I ordered my laptop, Vista was all that was supported for it. They offered XP on other machines, but you couldn't change the configurations on them, and they weren't as powerful as I needed. So, I was stuck getting it. I'm just glad I was able to get a student discount with it and was able to push the version to Ultimate... it seems to avoid a lot of the problems other people have with lesser versions.

As far as what Jaare suggests, I think a complete rewrite would be a little too much to ask for 7. They're aiming for a 2 year development window (by 2010), and I'd be willing to bet that they want to try to make that timing, especially after Vista. However, I do think Microsoft is resourceful enough to even start 8 right now, and it could easily be rewritten by the time it would be expected out.

Why do I suddenly get the idea they're saving that for 10 though?

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

Get rid of vistas pesky DRM, it stopped my mate from playing a disk he made and filmed himself!

Lies! Everybody knows people can't make movies! They're all too dumb!

a complete 180 in MS policies

Good luck on Hell freezing over.

[Feba]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

As far as what Jaare suggests, I think a complete rewrite would be a little too much to ask for 7. They're aiming for a 2 year development window (by 2010)

Well, Windows 7 has already been shown; and it seems to be much the same as Vista; at least in terms of interface. So yeah, it's extremely unlikely we'll see it in this release.

As to rewriting Windows; it would probably be a good idea, if only to kill the registry. Redoing the file system would be a good idea, if only to kill off those goddamn drive letters (SHOVE YOUR C:// UP YOUR A.).

As to Windows 10, I don't think MS is willing to wait that long, unless they shove a bunch of stuff out. For example, if Vista is the new 95, and then we get 98 (7), 2000 (8), ME (9), and then XP (10); six years of relative nothingness and then six years of lots of new releases seems possible.

Good luck on Hell freezing over.

I'm not hoping for it, I'm just saying that's about what it would take for me to even consider it. I'd much rather see Microsoft crash, burn, and suffer.

[Telera]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

A non resource hog: I am not even going to begin to try to get that OS and then play LotRO. It'd take 2x the RAM it'd take on this PC with XP just to get it running right. (More if I really wanted to yanno, move, in the Ettenmoors.) And that's after you have to go in and modify the registry or .ini file or w/e it is to even get it to launch right because fail Vista is fail.

Stability: Mom's PC has Vista. It's always bugging up somehow and she wants me to tell her what's wrong, and fuck, even I don't know what it's problem is. I usually end up manually shutting the bastard off just to get it to stop being a pain in my ass. It's also infinitely more prone to CTD on various games, likes to freeze up just for shits, and generally runs crappy.

Compatibility: Jarre touched on this. stfu with the 'buy the newer shit!' Mother had to replace a printer she'd bought only weeks before her new PC just because of Vista's fail-shit.

In short: I'll stay with XP. I'm not switching to Vista. Even when I get a new PC, I'm buying XP for it somehow, someway. If the OS after Vista is more stable and less of a pig, I'll think about it. Until then: no.

[Susurrus]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

Well I pretty much have to stick with Windows because I play games on my compy. And I upgraded to Vista because it plays (at least newer) games better.


(And don't say "oh you can dual boot/bootcamp/etc!" cuz that's still using Windows.)

[Akashimo]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

1- What planet are you on again?

2- Yes the hell it does. Home, Professional, Media Center, Tablet PC edition. That's not counting the ones for legacy or embedded hardware, or 64-bit.

Ok, I forgot about that, but it doesn't make that big of a deal since most people I know would get the Professional edition, even my old high schools. Never even saw anyone use the Tablet, Media Center or Home versions.

Stabler than Vista. There's little problems I've dealt with on XP than vista.

[Feba]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

stfu with the 'buy the newer shit!'

To be fair, this is a problem with the manufacturers, not Microsoft. This is the same thing that whole Creative sound card drivers thing was about.

Well I pretty much have to stick with Windows because I play games on my compy.

That statement doesn't really make sense. Linux can play most of the games Windows can. If you go into Linux gaming thinking of it like a console, and not fake windows, and you make sure those games work on it before you buy them (takes about thirty seconds), it's really painless. Of course, if there are specific games you must play (MMOs), it's not quite so simple. But it's kinda like the PS3 and 360-- the PS3 has many of the awesome games that 360 does, there are only a few things in the 360's favor.

Never even saw anyone use the Tablet, Media Center or Home versions.

I used to have Home, my mom's work lappy has Tablet, and there are plenty of machines being sold with Media Center.

Stabler than Vista

Oh, man. There are so many ways to go with this.

Choose your own answer!

That's like saying...

• a two legged table is sturdy because you put wider legs on it.
• your momma is less of a whore than a prostitute.
• Akashimo isn't as retarded as someone who is, in fact, mentally retarded.
• your car is more fuel efficient than a semi tractor.
• your internet is faster than AOL

*breathe*...so many possibilities. I'm too tired to finish this. Someone else care to take over?

[DakAttack]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

I'd like to see MS make an OS that isn't so intrusive and weighty. The only reason Vista has so much crap on it because you need a lot of it to fix all the little mistakes or problems that come up with using Vista in the first place.

You shouldn't have to "use" an OS as much as you do with Vista. It should just sit in the background while I run my programs.

[Kailea]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

I'd like to see MS make an OS that isn't so intrusive and weighty. The only reason Vista has so much crap on it because you need a lot of it to fix all the little mistakes or problems that come up with using Vista in the first place.

You shouldn't have to "use" an OS as much as you do with Vista. It should just sit in the background while I run my programs.

what are you talking about...... I don't have to do anything, of course I turned all that BS off, so my system runs smooth and very well, even with Aero interface running

[Raydeus]

Re: What do you want to see in Windows 7?

I'm not getting Vista, so I'll wait till the next OS and see if I upgrade or move to another OS.

What I want from Windows 7 is pretty much the same as everyone, better functionality, using the same or less resources than XP and with much better backwards compatibility with windows 98 and XP apps.

Although M$ and backwards compatibility in the same phrase is kinda ridiculous.